there is wide agreement. The methods are sound and peer reviewed, published in the best journals (do you know anything about these words?)
It's not as good as counting physical bodies, but that was made impossible due to US military policies
It's not a small point that Zion and other pro-War fanatics do not ever accept any kind of scientific polls or statistics. A true fanatic is allergic to anything that can show objective reality, as we just witnessed with Zion's insistance that Israel did not hing wrong when murdering over 1000 defenseless Palestinians.
It's a perfect case study of how deep of a fanatic you have to be to act like a cheeleader for genocide. Yes, Zion, it certainly has revealed a lot... about you.
But let's not allow them to sidetrack this conversation from the genocide that this cartoon masterfully depicts.
but I'm not surprised, since the media pretty much kept a lid on it. Tens of thousands died from the initial bombings. This is from the Lancet study in 2004.
One of the first attempts to independently estimate the loss of civilian life from the Iraqi war has concluded that at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians may have died because of the U.S. invasion.
The analysis, an extrapolation based on a relatively small number of documented deaths, indicated that many of the excess deaths have occurred due to aerial attacks by coalition forces, with women and children being frequent victims, wrote the international team of public health researchers making the calculations. //www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A796...
Except that official government shelter that turned out to have civilians in it.
Please do not make excuses. We lose our humanity when we minimize lives of civilians or try to excuse the reaons they had to be murdered.
As far as definition of “Aggressor Nation” is concerned, it is above my pay grade.
You know this is not true. The definition is very simple language. It's self-explanatory that US was an aggressor nation in the Iraq war and Israel has been the aggressor nation many times including the recent Gaza invasion.
Q,
As I remember there was
by A n o n (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 06:35 PM PST
Q,
As I remember there was very little collateral damage in the first few days of Iraq war. Except that official government shelter that turned out to have civilians in it.
As far as definition of “Aggressor Nation” is concerned, it is above my pay grade. But, I have heard about the difference between a conventional and asymmetrical war.
To further illustrate my point, think of precision bombing of the IRI’s nuclear facilities and revolutionary guard bases. Your cartoon would look totally different. Wouldn’t it?
No, actually it would look very similar. That's exactly what they said about Iraq but thousands died in the initial bombing of "Saddam's facilities".
I guess the point is that an aggressor nation will say anything to hide murderous acts, be it against Iran or Palestine.
Iraj I think the title of
by A n o n (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 05:49 PM PST
Iraj I think the title of your cartoon should be “Precision Bombing of Hamas” as Opposed to “Israel Precision Bombing”. If Hamas wants to use mosques, schools, hospitals, and people’s homes for monition depots, command and control centers, and make shift rocket lunching bases that is their choice.
To further illustrate my point, think of precision bombing of the IRI’s nuclear facilities and revolutionary guard bases. Your cartoon would look totally different. Wouldn’t it?
the perspective of the rocker is OK, but it is messed up elsewhere. Also what is the red square supposed to be? If it is blood, why is it so square and not splashed? Looks like a red rug.
Even a typical Islamist/lefty propaganda piece must have a little bit of the right techniques.
Dear anti-war,
by Farhang (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:15 AM PST
Those who use Iran's map as their avatar and hope for "surgical attack" on Iran are not Iranians. They are a bunch of anti-Iranian, Zionist apologists who have infested this website like many other media in the U.S.
Thank you Iraj Esfandiary for portraying the sad reality of this barbaric genocide, the real modern day Holocaust.
where are they?
by anti-war (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 09:24 AM PST
Where are those "patriots" who use Iran's map as an avatar and hope for a "surgical attack"?
See what's you are wishing for my country?
mer30 Iraj
Good job!
by MP (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 07:10 AM PST
What a surprise! Zion doesn't understand SCIENCE
by Q on Sat Jan 17, 2009 07:40 PM PSTthere is wide agreement. The methods are sound and peer reviewed, published in the best journals (do you know anything about these words?)
It's not as good as counting physical bodies, but that was made impossible due to US military policies
It's not a small point that Zion and other pro-War fanatics do not ever accept any kind of scientific polls or statistics. A true fanatic is allergic to anything that can show objective reality, as we just witnessed with Zion's insistance that Israel did not hing wrong when murdering over 1000 defenseless Palestinians.
It's a perfect case study of how deep of a fanatic you have to be to act like a cheeleader for genocide. Yes, Zion, it certainly has revealed a lot... about you.
But let's not allow them to sidetrack this conversation from the genocide that this cartoon masterfully depicts.
lol
by Zion on Sat Jan 17, 2009 07:29 PM PST100,000 Iraqi civilians may have died ... an extrapolation based on a relatively small number of documented deaths...
Sure Q. That is some evidence! Never let facts get in the way of your defunct ideology.
Anon, that's wrong
by Q on Sat Jan 17, 2009 07:04 PM PSTbut I'm not surprised, since the media pretty much kept a lid on it. Tens of thousands died from the initial bombings. This is from the Lancet study in 2004.
One of the first attempts to independently estimate the loss of civilian life from the Iraqi war has concluded that at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians may have died because of the U.S. invasion.
The analysis, an extrapolation based on a relatively small number of documented deaths, indicated that many of the excess deaths have occurred due to aerial attacks by coalition forces, with women and children being frequent victims, wrote the international team of public health researchers making the calculations.
//www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A796...
Except that official government shelter that turned out to have civilians in it.
Please do not make excuses. We lose our humanity when we minimize lives of civilians or try to excuse the reaons they had to be murdered.
As far as definition of “Aggressor Nation” is concerned, it is above my pay grade.
You know this is not true. The definition is very simple language. It's self-explanatory that US was an aggressor nation in the Iraq war and Israel has been the aggressor nation many times including the recent Gaza invasion.
Q, As I remember there was
by A n o n (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 06:35 PM PSTQ,
As I remember there was very little collateral damage in the first few days of Iraq war. Except that official government shelter that turned out to have civilians in it.
As far as definition of “Aggressor Nation” is concerned, it is above my pay grade. But, I have heard about the difference between a conventional and asymmetrical war.
Anon,
by Q on Sat Jan 17, 2009 06:15 PM PSTTo further illustrate my point, think of precision bombing of the IRI’s nuclear facilities and revolutionary guard bases. Your cartoon would look totally different. Wouldn’t it?
No, actually it would look very similar. That's exactly what they said about Iraq but thousands died in the initial bombing of "Saddam's facilities".
I guess the point is that an aggressor nation will say anything to hide murderous acts, be it against Iran or Palestine.
Iraj I think the title of
by A n o n (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 05:49 PM PSTIraj I think the title of your cartoon should be “Precision Bombing of Hamas” as Opposed to “Israel Precision Bombing”. If Hamas wants to use mosques, schools, hospitals, and people’s homes for monition depots, command and control centers, and make shift rocket lunching bases that is their choice.
To further illustrate my point, think of precision bombing of the IRI’s nuclear facilities and revolutionary guard bases. Your cartoon would look totally different. Wouldn’t it?
Cartoons can tell such deeply touching stories
by Q on Sat Jan 17, 2009 03:58 PM PSTthank you Iraj.
Zendeh bashi
Well
by Zion on Sat Jan 17, 2009 03:50 PM PSTthe perspective of the rocker is OK, but it is messed up elsewhere. Also what is the red square supposed to be? If it is blood, why is it so square and not splashed? Looks like a red rug.
Even a typical Islamist/lefty propaganda piece must have a little bit of the right techniques.
Dear anti-war,
by Farhang (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:15 AM PSTThose who use Iran's map as their avatar and hope for "surgical attack" on Iran are not Iranians. They are a bunch of anti-Iranian, Zionist apologists who have infested this website like many other media in the U.S.
Thank you Iraj Esfandiary for portraying the sad reality of this barbaric genocide, the real modern day Holocaust.
where are they?
by anti-war (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 09:24 AM PSTWhere are those "patriots" who use Iran's map as an avatar and hope for a "surgical attack"?
See what's you are wishing for my country?
mer30 Iraj
Good job!
by MP (not verified) on Sat Jan 17, 2009 07:10 AM PSTYou said it all.
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