Yesterday was a success

Fred
by Fred
15-Feb-2011
 

If, and that is a big if, the news of casualties are to be believed, Yesterday’s demonstration against IRR, the Islamist Rapist Republic, was a success.

No, the success was not in the numbers of Iranians braving certain Islamist savagery which typically includes raping of men, women and children, among others. The success was in the Islamist Rapists murdered only a handful, no exact number is available,  of Iranians and not tens of them as they usually do at a single event.

Now is the time for the Islamist faction of the Green Movement to pat their selves on the back for the job well done. And start writing articles and giving interviews about how Iranian people want their Islamist faction to win the turf war and are willing to sacrifice their lives in doing so.

However, the nagging question will not go away. What is the difference between the two Islamist factions?

The Islamist “reformers” and the ruling Islamist faction both strongly believe in the constitution of IRR, want to abide by it, work within it and make the regime “impervious to overthrow.”

Both factions venerate the mass murderer “Imam” Khomeini, and while the Islamist “reformers” faction advocate retune to the “golden era of the Imam”, the ruling faction is Islamistly more progressive and wants to add the newest “Imam” Khamenei to the hall of IRR veneration.

So, why do the Iranians have to die for these basically similar goals of the Islamist Rapists, “reformers’ and all?

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mullah-kosh

I agree with Yoda to some extent

by mullah-kosh on Tue Feb 15, 2011 03:59 PM PST

dude, first of all, May the force be with you! Second, as I mentioned in another post following Fred's writings which I mostly agree with, there is lack of strategy and clear goal. I don't necessarily think this goal should be "small", or done in small steps, but a clear direction, and objective of these demonstrations is what? To reform the system, or to abolish it?

I think Yoda just does not want to disturb the force too much, but I got tell you, I feel a dark disturbance in the force. I have a feeling the Judiciary will follow through in arresting Karroubi, and Moussavi. How people react may be a tipping point of this struggle. Uprising become revolution when an arrogant, and ingnorant government crosses those invisible red lines.

Here is the long term goal outlook though: Iranians and Iran are the winners. The sooner this regime falls, the sooner this generation of Iranians will be free. I wish for that. As evil as I am about to sound, I have to look at the other side in a positive way also. The longer Ahmaghi, and his ilks stick around, the more damage they do to the country, the more damage is being done to Islam. For me, cleansing of islam from that land is a more important goal, because it would guarantee that a more true Iran will emerge. This will be costly in human life.


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mullah-kosh

I agree with Yoda to some extent

by mullah-kosh on Tue Feb 15, 2011 03:59 PM PST

dude, first of all, May the force be with you! Second, as I mentioned in another post following Fred's writings which I mostly agree with, there is lack of strategy and clear goal. I don't necessarily think this goal should be "small", or done in small steps, but a clear direction, and objective of these demonstrations is what? To reform the system, or to abolish it?

I think Yoda just does not want to disturb the force too much, but I got tell you, I feel a dark disturbance in the force. I have a feeling the Judiciary will follow through in arresting Karroubi, and Moussavi. How people react may be a tipping point of this struggle. Uprising become revolution when an arrogant, and ingnorant government crosses those invisible red lines.

Here is the long term goal outlook though: Iranians and Iran are the winners. The sooner this regime falls, the sooner this generation of Iranians will be free. I wish for that. As evil as I am about to sound, I have to look at the other side in a positive way also. The longer Ahmaghi, and his ilks stick around, the more damage they do to the country, the more damage is being done to Islam. For me, cleansing of islam from that land is a more important goal, because it would guarantee that a more true Iran will emerge. This will be costly in human life.


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PArviz

@hirre

by PArviz on Thu Feb 17, 2011 01:04 AM PST

In a normal, lawful and functioning form of government what you suggest is quite possible.

But under the current Islamic regime, 1000 women demonstrating while not observing the Islamic dress code would most definitely lead to their arrest, torture, rape and maybe even death in the hands of the IRI thugs.

Your knowledge of the brutality and the medieval nature of this regime seems to be very limited. 

People do not pour into the streets in their millions because there are no trustworthy alternatives to this filthy regime. Make no mistake about it, as Fred had stated, all Islamic factions, regardless of colour, in Iran want the same thing and that is to preserve the Islamic Republic but under a different "Vali Vaghih".

Down with the ENTIRE Islamic Republic!


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Dirty Angel

dunno

by Dirty Angel on Tue Feb 15, 2011 04:16 AM PST

 'Can't figure out on whose wave who is riding what. Anyway without that ghastly bazari monopoly "kelaass", well, you know....

"If they chew you up, they still have to spit you out "


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hirre

Strategy

by hirre on Tue Feb 15, 2011 02:27 AM PST

The green movement needs to focus on simple problems instead of chanting "death to dictator" and "freedom". The latter is harder to define and should be broken down into simpler tasks. E.g. they could organize a demonstration with 1000 women without hejab, and 2-3000 men supporting them, all yelling "we don't want the hejab", that is a concreate issue which is more provocative and at the same time illustrating a social problem. Small steps lead to prosperity. After a while people will be more motivated to fight for larger things. Freedom in itself is a hard goal, I'm not even sure we have it here too 100% in the western world according to different definitions...

At the end, if normal people don't relate to specific issues, then the masses won't support the movement in the demonstrations. So far there is no connection between the green movement and e.g. the majority of the working class. This could be achieved through specific demands, such as better working conditions, higher salaries, health reforms etc etc... The green movement with its current strategy will only achieve its goal if the economy collapses some how, the alternative is to define specific simple goals in order to achieve "total freedom" one day...


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