by Anonymous strange (not verified) on Mon Apr 14, 2008 01:34 PM PDT
Well, there are parts of the country in which the bride is entitled to be convinced of the "health" of the groom before agreeing to the marriage. So she is permitted to investigate groom's manhood for a few minutes without seeing him in whole. There is even a lyric that is sang for this even.
peek a boo, sounds more like an Esfahooni would "peek" than a Gilani. Zerang bazee. The naked bride would be seen in Hamoom zanon-e, which wouldn't allow men near it, much less peek and booing!
Idiot nation? Lovely nation. Nothing wrong with discussing sexual relations. You should think of a question too and send it in. Make sure you phrase it in a way that would produce an answer.
I've heard of that custom
by peek a boo (not verified) on Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
I've heard of that custom too!
I do believe it was the case of a great aunt and the suitor who had been allowed just the one look!
Obviously the arrangements had all been made before hand and the older women (who had already seen her) in the family had already approved of the bride to be with flying colors--she had been a beauty- yet the 'groomsie' wanted a peek too before committing!
(He got the one peek and fell in love there and then( no she was not naked)... their happy marriage wes well known in the family and lasted well over 50 years)
And apparently the one look was not taboo.
This part of my family was from the Gilan area.
That's what I had heard as a kid... correct me if I am wrong!
Idiot nation
by Iva (not verified) on Mon Apr 14, 2008 09:58 AM PDT
Lets assume that she (a person who follows Islamic laws) who asked the question “is it OK to remove head scarf for my suitor to check me out?” follows the teaching of the ayatooleh who answered “not only it is OK to remove the head scarf, but also to show the whole body, mind you, no one can see the body through Chador or Mantoo! … hint, hint”.
So, in reality she knows that islam forbids contacts between sexes even at eye level (i.e looking into opposite sex’s eyes even during conversation in the middle of street) .. Does she really think that she is buying a guarantee from this ayatooleh in a way that when she dies and then them “better than us” folks question her actions such as showing off her body to “na-mahram” she is going to say, but ayatooleh told me it’s OK and then Al-lah is going to say … Let me check, oh yeah, that’s right, you have a “green pass” for this un-islamic act … no point shall be deducted from your deeds! My hats off to Ayatoolehs who have FOOLED SO MANY PEOPLE FOR SO MUCH TIME … they are the devil themselves.
IranDokht is right Abarmard, it was the WOMEN in groom's family that saw the girl NOT the guy himself! I think you have it wrong here.
I can see the problems they would run into. Oh the breasts were only A cup, so I'm going to have to reduce the dowry by 2 chickens, 1 sheep and 1 cow. You also have to increase the jahiz by throwing in the cousin as temporary wife to compensate for it!
I agree with you that it's bothersome. What can one do? People have strange traditions and religious beliefs. You should know better since you are Iran's girl.
I knew about sending the groom-2-be's mom or sister to check out the girl in public bath houses (older generations), I was even checked out wearing a swim suit at the (future) sister-in-law's pool party, but I had never heard of the scenario you mentioned.
As for having a better marriage than mine: I sure hope everyone does! cuz mine didn't last long...
I wish I could keep an open mind about these things like you and Anonymouse do, maybe it is innocent, maybe they should not be looked down on... It just rubs me the wrong way.
I had heard this many times visiting Kerman, Darab, Shiraz and Borazjan. So could've been common in that region. I am sure other regions had similar customs also. This is a really old tradition.
I think it was not the choice given to either of them, parents decided that they had to get married. I think the only reason comes to my mind is that if she was missing a leg or some strange thing in her body that he would tell his family so he could get out of the marriage. Another would be to make him excited about the marriage ;) So he didn't have to think too much and let his "other" organ do the thinking.
If you're looking for a
by Anonymousk (not verified) on Mon Apr 14, 2008 08:50 AM PDT
If you're looking for a Sharia-approved temporary wife/prostitute (Sigheh), click here. //jostojoo.blogsky.com/
The website announce it's grand opening launch and it's mission statement says: "To regulate and organize Society's sexual Needs". Vice President of Advertising: District of religious Seminary of Quom.
Only in the land of vile mullahcracy!!!!!!!!!
Abarmard which part of Iran has/had that culture?!
Never heard of such a thing. That beats every purpose from namahram to honor killings! What if he didn't like what he saw?! Oopsee daisy she is not what I had in mind!
In the old days when the man and women could not see one another, for the sake of marriage the man was allowed to come in the girls house without her knowledge. While she was taking a shower, the girl's family would open the door for a few second so the boy could see what he is marrying. This advise is taken from the same logic.
You don't need to convince anyone that this is stupid, but remember that the girl who is asking the question is a religious person and wants to do the "RIGHT" thing. I am not going to judge this, although I dis-approve. Who knows, they might have a better marriage than you and I :)
This is not a Fatwa! It is an advice. "didan tamam-e badan" doesn't mean "didaan tamam-e badan-e lokht". The woman who asked the question stated originally that the guy wants to see her "without hijab" and then went on to ask if he can see me without "rosary". So Ayatollah is saying it is ok for the guy to see you "without hijab".
Afterall, poor bastard has to fly all the way from overseas to see you! So the least you can do is show him something. Our own Hajiagha would not go on a date in his own town without a photo!
Of course I don't agree with nonsense like this. But someone put him in that position to give advice to "sisters and brothers". So he is giving his 2 cents. Ayatollahs now a days have to respond to questions about whether photos can be sent over the internet, so he is giving his Islamic interpretation of Internet if any one is asking for his opinion!
1- "didaneh tamameh badan ham eshkal nadarad" is not the same as "without rousari" people are not overreacting or imagining stuff!
2- the personal ad you provided was disturbing to me. She was not even answering to the color of hair question!!
I guess some women deserve the likes of this molla. But what is troublesome to me, is your interpretation. You really don't see anything wrong with that fatwa? with the whole thing for that matter?
Tell that to the woman who asked! The question may have been sent by PartyGirl but he is trying to help them out! He could have said just "eshkali nadard" :-) I'm just saying he is not telling her to pose naked which may be what people are thinking here. Now if the couple wants to "tafsir" the advice and go all out that would be another question. Perhaps PartyGirl can ask a followup question and see what kind of response she gets!
by Anonymously this time... (not verified) on Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:50 PM PDT
nevermind...
kolaa shar-ee tazegi nadareh: they've explained and justified anything their dark hearts desire!
now every bacheh akhound can go khastegari and see girls naked!!!
jal-al-khalegh ajab marmoolak hayi hastan inaa digeh
A more radical custom...
by Anonymous strange (not verified) on Mon Apr 14, 2008 01:34 PM PDTWell, there are parts of the country in which the bride is entitled to be convinced of the "health" of the groom before agreeing to the marriage. So she is permitted to investigate groom's manhood for a few minutes without seeing him in whole. There is even a lyric that is sang for this even.
More from this Ayatollah
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:19 AM PDTHere's more from this Ayatollah. Send in your questions! Don't ask re-run questions. Oral sex and fasting is already answered in the 2ng page.
PartyGirl send in your questions in this question page !! Eshgal nadarad!
peek a boo, sounds more like
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:49 AM PDTpeek a boo, sounds more like an Esfahooni would "peek" than a Gilani. Zerang bazee. The naked bride would be seen in Hamoom zanon-e, which wouldn't allow men near it, much less peek and booing!
I heard that
by Abarmard on Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:48 AM PDTI heard that now you can even have temporary marriage (Sigheh) over the Internet. Isn't that a great answer to prostitution?!
Idiot nation? Lovely nation.
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:37 AM PDTIdiot nation? Lovely nation. Nothing wrong with discussing sexual relations. You should think of a question too and send it in. Make sure you phrase it in a way that would produce an answer.
I've heard of that custom
by peek a boo (not verified) on Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:16 AM PDTI've heard of that custom too!
I do believe it was the case of a great aunt and the suitor who had been allowed just the one look!
Obviously the arrangements had all been made before hand and the older women (who had already seen her) in the family had already approved of the bride to be with flying colors--she had been a beauty- yet the 'groomsie' wanted a peek too before committing!
(He got the one peek and fell in love there and then( no she was not naked)... their happy marriage wes well known in the family and lasted well over 50 years)
And apparently the one look was not taboo.
This part of my family was from the Gilan area.
That's what I had heard as a kid... correct me if I am wrong!
Idiot nation
by Iva (not verified) on Mon Apr 14, 2008 09:58 AM PDTLets assume that she (a person who follows Islamic laws) who asked the question “is it OK to remove head scarf for my suitor to check me out?” follows the teaching of the ayatooleh who answered “not only it is OK to remove the head scarf, but also to show the whole body, mind you, no one can see the body through Chador or Mantoo! … hint, hint”.
So, in reality she knows that islam forbids contacts between sexes even at eye level (i.e looking into opposite sex’s eyes even during conversation in the middle of street) .. Does she really think that she is buying a guarantee from this ayatooleh in a way that when she dies and then them “better than us” folks question her actions such as showing off her body to “na-mahram” she is going to say, but ayatooleh told me it’s OK and then Al-lah is going to say … Let me check, oh yeah, that’s right, you have a “green pass” for this un-islamic act … no point shall be deducted from your deeds! My hats off to Ayatoolehs who have FOOLED SO MANY PEOPLE FOR SO MUCH TIME … they are the devil themselves.
Anonymouse lol
by Abarmard on Mon Apr 14, 2008 09:37 AM PDTPossible, lol, too funny.
Groom's mom and sis saw the bride naked, NOT the guy himself!
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 14, 2008 09:10 AM PDTIranDokht is right Abarmard, it was the WOMEN in groom's family that saw the girl NOT the guy himself! I think you have it wrong here.
I can see the problems they would run into. Oh the breasts were only A cup, so I'm going to have to reduce the dowry by 2 chickens, 1 sheep and 1 cow. You also have to increase the jahiz by throwing in the cousin as temporary wife to compensate for it!
IRANdokht e Aziz
by Abarmard on Mon Apr 14, 2008 09:07 AM PDTI agree with you that it's bothersome. What can one do? People have strange traditions and religious beliefs. You should know better since you are Iran's girl.
Dear Abarmard
by IRANdokht on Mon Apr 14, 2008 09:00 AM PDTI knew about sending the groom-2-be's mom or sister to check out the girl in public bath houses (older generations), I was even checked out wearing a swim suit at the (future) sister-in-law's pool party, but I had never heard of the scenario you mentioned.
As for having a better marriage than mine: I sure hope everyone does! cuz mine didn't last long...
I wish I could keep an open mind about these things like you and Anonymouse do, maybe it is innocent, maybe they should not be looked down on... It just rubs me the wrong way.
IRANdokht
Anonymouse
by Abarmard on Mon Apr 14, 2008 08:57 AM PDTI had heard this many times visiting Kerman, Darab, Shiraz and Borazjan. So could've been common in that region. I am sure other regions had similar customs also. This is a really old tradition.
I think it was not the choice given to either of them, parents decided that they had to get married. I think the only reason comes to my mind is that if she was missing a leg or some strange thing in her body that he would tell his family so he could get out of the marriage. Another would be to make him excited about the marriage ;) So he didn't have to think too much and let his "other" organ do the thinking.
If you're looking for a
by Anonymousk (not verified) on Mon Apr 14, 2008 08:50 AM PDTIf you're looking for a Sharia-approved temporary wife/prostitute (Sigheh), click here.
//jostojoo.blogsky.com/
The website announce it's grand opening launch and it's mission statement says: "To regulate and organize Society's sexual Needs". Vice President of Advertising: District of religious Seminary of Quom.
Only in the land of vile mullahcracy!!!!!!!!!
Abarmard which part of Iran has/had that culture?!
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 14, 2008 08:32 AM PDTNever heard of such a thing. That beats every purpose from namahram to honor killings! What if he didn't like what he saw?! Oopsee daisy she is not what I had in mind!
Old custom
by Abarmard on Mon Apr 14, 2008 08:26 AM PDTIn the old days when the man and women could not see one another, for the sake of marriage the man was allowed to come in the girls house without her knowledge. While she was taking a shower, the girl's family would open the door for a few second so the boy could see what he is marrying. This advise is taken from the same logic.
You don't need to convince anyone that this is stupid, but remember that the girl who is asking the question is a religious person and wants to do the "RIGHT" thing. I am not going to judge this, although I dis-approve. Who knows, they might have a better marriage than you and I :)
IranDokht
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 14, 2008 07:24 AM PDTThis is not a Fatwa! It is an advice. "didan tamam-e badan" doesn't mean "didaan tamam-e badan-e lokht". The woman who asked the question stated originally that the guy wants to see her "without hijab" and then went on to ask if he can see me without "rosary". So Ayatollah is saying it is ok for the guy to see you "without hijab".
Afterall, poor bastard has to fly all the way from overseas to see you! So the least you can do is show him something. Our own Hajiagha would not go on a date in his own town without a photo!
Of course I don't agree with nonsense like this. But someone put him in that position to give advice to "sisters and brothers". So he is giving his 2 cents. Ayatollahs now a days have to respond to questions about whether photos can be sent over the internet, so he is giving his Islamic interpretation of Internet if any one is asking for his opinion!
Anonymouse
by IRANdokht on Mon Apr 14, 2008 07:04 AM PDT1- "didaneh tamameh badan ham eshkal nadarad" is not the same as "without rousari" people are not overreacting or imagining stuff!
2- the personal ad you provided was disturbing to me. She was not even answering to the color of hair question!!
I guess some women deserve the likes of this molla. But what is troublesome to me, is your interpretation. You really don't see anything wrong with that fatwa? with the whole thing for that matter?
IRANdokht
Sadegh jan
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 14, 2008 06:11 AM PDTTell that to the woman who asked! The question may have been sent by PartyGirl but he is trying to help them out! He could have said just "eshkali nadard" :-) I'm just saying he is not telling her to pose naked which may be what people are thinking here. Now if the couple wants to "tafsir" the advice and go all out that would be another question. Perhaps PartyGirl can ask a followup question and see what kind of response she gets!
Yani chi? It's still
by sadegh on Mon Apr 28, 2008 07:04 AM PDTYani chi? It's still pathetic and outrageous Anonymous jan. A woman surely shouldn't see herself as a piece of meat on display at the butcher's shop?
You dirty old man!! Ha!
by Guynextdoor (not verified) on Mon Apr 14, 2008 06:01 AM PDTYou dirty old man!! Ha!
He didn't say see the "naked" body!
by Anonymouse on Mon Apr 14, 2008 05:12 AM PDTJust in clothes without rosary, not just the portrait. You guys have a twisted mind! She may be the one who asked the question ;-)
0
by sadegh on Mon Apr 14, 2008 06:00 AM PDT0
What a freakin joke!!!
by sadegh on Mon Apr 14, 2008 05:05 AM PDTWhat a freakin joke!!! Pathetic and outrageous!!!
New Rules??
by Anonymously this time... (not verified) on Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:50 PM PDTnevermind...
kolaa shar-ee tazegi nadareh: they've explained and justified anything their dark hearts desire!
now every bacheh akhound can go khastegari and see girls naked!!!
jal-al-khalegh ajab marmoolak hayi hastan inaa digeh