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A Beginner's Guide to the Israeli Palestinian Conflict

Balatarin

DISCLAIMER: I am not endorsing ANY of the content on this video. I found it and it seems balanced. You can of course disagree completely with part or all of this.

 

My position is that this video clearly illustrates there is no solution to the problem. The best offered so far is the "Two State Solution" which is in fact a non-workable 3 State non-solution which strands/imprisons the Palestinians in Gaza and keeps them apart from their fellow Palestinians in the West Bank. The idea that in order to go to the WB from Gaza, or Gaza from the WB, you would have to travel all the way through Israel to get there, is retarded. Or that plane service could bypass the road to either, is stupid.

 

Which is why I am brought back to my assertion that none of this is ever designed to work, but to perpetuate the continual status quo of crisis, and will never achieve any lasting peace. The Two State Solution requiring Palestine to be split into two disconnected pieces, with Israel annoyingly plop-wedged right in between it, is an insult to sanity and logic and common decency.

 

Which is why we Iranians who have FAR better things to do with our time, should stop wasting what little focus we already have, and give both sides the attention they deserve. None.

 

When they decide to really solve the problem, we can congratulate them on being sane. Until then, ignoring their constant pleas for attention on a problem they do not seriously wish to resolve maturely, is the only rational response to insanity.

 

Maybe if the world stops caring, they will give up these ridiculous positions.

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Nader_

Nader

I just want to say, Hats off to England. Who could have done the thing England has done for Jewish people. I wonder what was England's gain ?

jgarbuz

jgarbuz

England got a lot of benefits from the Jews.

http://www.chemistryexplained.com/Va-Z/Weizmann-Chaim.html

" During World War I, a search for synthetic rubber in England led to Weizmann's classic work on the fermentation of glucose , a sugar containing six carbon atoms, as a source of acetone (1915), urgently needed by the British government for the manufacture of cordite (smokeless powder). Weizmann's use of a fermenting agent to produce acetone followed his discovery of the acid-resistant microorganism Clostridium acetobutylicum ; this method of acetone production became known as the Weizmann process. At the request of Winston Churchill, then first lord of the admiralty, the Weizmann process was put into operation on an enormous scale in England, Canada, and the United States. The rapid wartime expansion of this process (from a laboratory to an industrial scale) was not only unique among microbiological processes used in industry, but was also the forerunner of the rapid expansion of penicillin production during World War II, as well as of the breadth of operations of many of today's biotechnological processes.

Weizmann knew that his fermentation process yielded chemical compounds containing three and four carbon atoms and predicted that the same process could produce the substances on which modern petrochemical industries are based. He often enunciated the need for countries (especially those poor in natural oil) to replace a petroleum-based chemical industry with one based on fermentation.

The Balfour Declaration (1917), the first formal international recognition of Zionism, was, to some extent, a culmination of Weizmann's scientific and political efforts. His fermentation process, which contributed to the Allies' victory in World War I, was not a direct cause of the declaration but was certainly an indirect one."

Read more: http://www.chemistryexplained.com/Va-Z/Weizmann-Chaim.html#ixzz39jP39DHS

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

continual status quo of crisis = selling weapons and (destabilizing the region for) more weapons sales. Meanwhile maintaining extremism and keeping Iranians and others intellectuals and qualified leadership like Iran used to enjoy thanks to the late shahs team out of their countries and not helping to build any peace, progress or human rights. IRI will stay if the west has the last word and its democracy for extremists.

jgarbuz

jgarbuz

The video says there were "almost no conflict between Jews and Palestinians" till the advent of Zionism. Well this is a very nice idea, but unfortunately not quite true. Of course there was relatively little conflict between Jews and English and Jews and Germans and Jews and many others, except when there were pogroms and expulsions. There were a number of pogroms against Jews, and the reader can look up Safed Pogrom of 1834 as one example.
But there is also the question as to why there were so few Jews left in "Palestine" before WWI. It's not that Jews did not try many times to return, but Jews were subject to many difficulties. The Ottomans did not like having too many Jews buying land and kept Jewish immigration to a minimum.
Until the Islamic invasion in the 7th century there were still sizable numbers of Jews living in the country. But thanks to Islam and to the subsequent Crusades, the Jews got it from both ends.

jgarbuz

jgarbuz

There are many things that were not said:

(1) There was no state in history called "Palestine," which is a geographical label, but there is plenty of evidence for a number of Israelite and Jewish STATES in antiquity;

(2) In 1922 there were 10 million Jews in the world; 22 million Arabs in the world; 700,000 Arabs in Palestine; 50,000 Jews in Palestine. A question is, did the rights of 700,000 Arabs trump the rights of 10 million Jews, half of whom were either stateless or living under some form of persecution?;

(3) From 1949 to 1967 eastern Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza were in Arab hands. Why didn't the Arabs create a Palestinian state when all of this territory was in their hands? Why didn't the "Palestlinians" rise up against Jordan and Egypt and shoot rockets at them?

Mohamad.Purqurian

Mohamad.Purqurian Peace is not subjugation آشتی کردن تسليم شدن نيست

I do not comment on the 1st and last self defeating items! But the 2nd one is the most fallacious statistical argument I have ever seen:

1. If the population in the world is concerned, then 10 million Jews with 22 million Arabs should be compared not 700,000 Palestinians with 10 million Jews.

2. If the population in the Palestine is concerned, then 50,000 Jews with 700,000 Palestinians should be compared not 700,000 Palestinians with 10 million Jews.

3. How about Palestinians who are neither Jews nor Muslims, e.g. Christians? What would happen if Christians take over the land and call it the kingdom of Jesus Christ like ISIS is doing for Muslims next door?!


jgarbuz

jgarbuz

The whole point of the Mandate was to give the country BACK to its displaced Jewish nation! That was its whole point, to bring the Jewish nation back to its soil!

jgarbuz

jgarbuz

The Council of the League of Nations RULED that they saw no other nation living in Palestine, but only "non-Jewish communities." There WAS NO PALESTINIAN NATION!!!! It NEVER EXISTED IT! It was invented after WWI only as a contrivance to oppose Zionism, the Jewish claim to national sovereignty in that land.

To quote from the Mandate:



"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory
should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally
made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty,
and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in
Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly
understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil
and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or
the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and.."

Note it says establishment of a NATIONAL HOME in Palestine for the Jewish people, and it also refers to the civil and religious rights of existing "non-Jewish communities." It does not refer to any "Palestinian" nation living there.