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Iran: Overflight

Balatarin

I remember leaving Iran in late 60's, when I was eleven years old, on a BOAC, and stopped about half a dozen times, to go from Tehran to London. My father said, that I should not complain, as he had to take "The Boat", from Bandar Abbas to Portsmouth, via South Africa. It took months.

 

Have a look at the image. You will see how the airlines, are coming and going, from one end of Eurasia to another. Because of the shape of the Earth, it really did not matter for the European flights, as they would take the Russian route, which was a lot shorter, than to follow the equivalent land route, or follow the circumferance of the Earth. Russians make a lot of money.

 

Of course, Iran became the most powerful nation of the world, and very wealthy, 2500 years ago, because it was where everyone had to go through, if they wanted to go from Europe to Asia.

 

I know of a very simple geopolitical truth, that whoever controls the main travel routes, they have control over the world. Iran was the crossroad of civilizations, as all the major highways, for all the horse and camel drawn caravans, went through Iran.

 

Iranians never really developed a merchant sea fleet. We did have a massive fleet that went from the Persian Gulf to the Eastern Mediterranean after we built the first Suez Canal.

 

But it was the Europeans and in particular the British and Spanish who sailed the Oceans. The British in particular managed to by-pass Iran and imported narcotics from the Indian sub-continent to Hong Kong. Some two million Chinese were addicted and the war resulted in the independence of Hong Kong. 

 

One of the most interesting developments was how Iran never managed to take advantage of railways. Throughout the industrial revolution and railways, Iran was not allowed to built communication lines, either to Russia from Indian Ocean, or from Turkey to India. 

 

Basically the British and Russians, protested that one would become too powerful over the other in the area, if we had a North-South route to Russia or an East-West route India. The British fretted over the Russians building a warm water port. The Russians fretted over the British Empire in India linked to Europe. 

 

So Iran was left as a hollow donut. Iran was out of the world communication system, and was left behind in the industrial revolution. The only network that was created was the Shi'ite network. After my great ancestor decided to switch to Shi'ite religion, he brought the Shirley Brothers to run the Iranian Army with cannons. 

 

The Mongols had wiped out Islam. Wonderful poetry and art had flourished with the Monguls, because Iranians were connected to their spiritual roots that were preserved in the old Tibetian monastries. Much of the ancient Iranian heritage came back and Iran was reborn. 

 

But suddenly Iran was shut up, as it massacred millions of Sunnis and established Shia's capital punishment. A very clever system was devised for making money, by forcing all Shi'ites to go on a pilgrimage to all of their shrines, which were placed in the farthest corners of the Shi'ite world. 

 

Caravans had to go from Damascus to Mashad. That journey and the journey to Mecca, created the magic to keep tourism flow and spread the wealth. Mirza Ismail felt he was the Mahdi and Rostam at the same time. 

 

As a Zoroastrian I find that insulting. Obviously my ancestors knew nothing about Zoroastrianism. Now thank goodness we know more. We are few hundred years late, but we got there at the end. Personally I feel bad that my own family was responsible for this. 

 

What my ancestors did, namely to force Shia doctrines as Royals, is maddening. Even today's Pahlavis have not openly declined Islam. But I bet you if the late Shah, had used the Shia's zeal to make Iran a Caliphate, Khomeini would not have made it. 

 

But a Zoroastrian Iran is more modern and better able to integrate with other cultures, because it does not condone capital punishment and it is based on free will.

 

Any way that is enough of my historical and philosophical meanderings. 

 

After Glasgow 2014, you do not need to be a genius, to see the power of the Commonwealth, with seventy of the two hundred odd nations of world, still very much part of the British system. They are mostly nations in the oceans and seas. 

 

Most, if not all the major waterways, are part of the Commonwealth. Even the ones that are not, have a huge British influence. Look at Oman and the Straits of Hormuz. Look at Malaysia and the Straits of Malacca. There are lots more. And so the British ruled the waves and the British Empire ruled the world.

 

But the British Empire declined, the moment the US developed the aircraft and the air routes. Their aircraft carriers and satellite systems rules the world. But still they need to travel certain routes. 

 

And this brings me to the main situation now. We have had two carriers downed. We now have the situation, that the Russians are now threatening to stop flyover routes over Siberia. So now the planes need to go a very long way round to get to China.

 

As it is, most of the people of the world are using the internet to meet and exchange information. Very little people actually fly to work on business problems. So just like the land routes and horses lost to ships, and then the ships lost to aircraft, the aircraft is losing out to the internet. 

 

No one as yet has full control over the net and as such US's air power is becoming redundant. What someone can do in the internet, is potentially more powerful than a missile attack. So the real war, is making sure that all battles are fought in cyberspace and off the streets, the seas and the air. 

 

The Russian threat to block the flyover, is only a blessing in disguise and will help the Europeans to make things outside East Asia and move to West Asia.

 

http://irannewsblog.blogspot.com

 

Balatarin

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Bryan7

Bryan

زمانی که روسیه با غرب درگیر شد, به تمام این چیزها فکر کرده بودند. انها توان این را دارند که اقتصاد دنیا را فلج کنن , برعکس ما ایرانیان همه کارمون احساسی است . اول سفارت میگیریم, بدن جام زهر مینوشیم

Bavafa

Bavafa   Free copy of all e-mails, posts and voice conversation at NSA depository, no sign up is required and it won't cost you a dime only your freedom. Mehrdad

پس نتیجه میگیریم که غیر احسساتیش این هست که اول جام زهر بنوشیم بعد سفارت بگیریم

با حال بود

مهرداد

Bryan7

Bryan

Every action has a reaction, we have to see whether we can live with the consciousnesses or not. I am not a fan of Mr. Putin or the Russian policy. But the invasion of Ukraine was a well calculated plan. 1. Russian government and billionaires own stocks here in America. If they dump the stocks, it will cause our economy to crash. 2. The Russian energy is necessary to keep the Europe running. 3. Our airliners need to fly over Russia 4. Russia can supply military hardware to unfriendly states 5. The have 10,000 tanks and 5000 fighter bombers. During the cold war our economy was not connected to Russia. Now the U.S economy is connected to Russia. We need them and they need us. Russians are not stupid. During the past 35 years, the government of Iran managed to serve the U.S and Zionist interests very well. They even served the U.S and Zionist interests better than the puppet before. Saying that, on a few occasions both the current government and the previous puppet ended up crashing the U.S and Zionist interests. Certainly both the current government and the previous puppet were not ready for the consciousnesses (am I spelling consciousnesses correctly???)

P_J..

P_J..

Who cares about spelling when the jest of your article is sound and true!

One thing though, world is having oil surpluses and very soon US will become an exporter rather than an importer!

Russia is a BIG Gas Station, with an undiversified economy that is not truly industrialized, like Iran! These economies are dependent and vulnerable to oil price oscillations and trade blockades. Those dishonest Russian Oligarchs have failed to diversify their economy, again like Iran. US economy is about $18trillion, or about 9 times bigger than the Russian economy...any crazy Russian move could bankrupt them totally.

The nuclear war would be far worst than the holocaust...the over kill ability is unbelievable! In other words they have enough weapon to kill every man, woman and child something like 200 times!

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

Bryan

Thanks for sharing in English.

Bryan7

Bryan

Plz note. Currently the U.S and British governments are not that strong. (During Dr. Mosadeg and Dr. Fatemi’s period U.S and U.K were very strong). The only reason that the U.S government is after Iran is because some elements of Iranian government challenge the Israel (although most of it is show business and Hollywood). I believe that if Israel stops the pressure, then U.S will leave Iran alone. So our people will be able to find their path to freedom. I strongly believe that we should stop interfering with Israel. They are strong and they will kick our butts. Moreover the have no beef with us.

P_J..

P_J..

You were quite RIGHT, and on the mark!

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

Bryan this thread is beginning to go off topic, into areas where it produces circular arguments.

But because you bring up the Jews, look up The Throne of Solomon, which was where the smartest Jews before they were Jews live. It was a tradition for all Iranians to pass through it and pay respect to this oldest Stargate in the world.

Yes Stargate.

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

Obviously Bavafa you just have no respect in asking me to write in English.

Bavafa

Bavafa   Free copy of all e-mails, posts and voice conversation at NSA depository, no sign up is required and it won't cost you a dime only your freedom. Mehrdad

Mr. Mostofi, I do, please see below. Just as fast as I could type.

Mehrdad

P.S. Don't you wish you had waited just a couple of minutes longer

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

Bryan

Please keep it English on my Blog. Please translate.

Bavafa

Bavafa   Free copy of all e-mails, posts and voice conversation at NSA depository, no sign up is required and it won't cost you a dime only your freedom. Mehrdad

And as a respect for Mr. Mostofi, here is the translation of my reply

We should then conclude that the logical way for it would have been to drink the poison first, then take over the embassy.

That would have been interesting

Mehrdad
P.S. For those who speak Farsi/English better, please feel free to correct my translation.

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

Thank you.

cyrousmoradi

cyrous moradi I am interested in Mathematics , literature and International relations. I wish to publish my stories . No publisher dares to do so. I think they have good reasons !! No body waste time and money to buy and read my books !!!!

Yes ! we have 15 neighborhoud around Iran. This means Iran stands after Russia , but according our area the number of environs is the high in the world .

.................. But . As usual we can not use the capability.In other words we can not translate this potential might to dollar and Euro.

I used to work three years in ChaBahar Bay. Probably after 20000 years ( I am nort sure in the morning or afternoon) we as Iranian could use our Air and Mer capabilitites to generate money.

P_J..

P_J..

Problem is that Akhoonds are scared of openness, paranoid of the outside world, and things they can't control. They know that sooner or later time will come for openness and if they miss that window of opportunity they go where the Pahlavi traitors went!

BTW, Russia may soon announce the closure of their airspace, an unwise and foolish act!

HoshangTarehgol5

Hoshang Tarehgol An injury to one is an injury to all.

Cyrous jan I've had more or less exact same sentiments about how we under utilize our national geographic environs. For instance a simple train line from Azarbyjan to Baluchistan, connecting Turkey & Pakistan could easily bring in in so much Tariffs , commissions & all other kinds of steady revenues.
But in order to do that you need to be integrated into world economy, which Islamic Republic of Hell is not.

cyrousmoradi

cyrous moradi I am interested in Mathematics , literature and International relations. I wish to publish my stories . No publisher dares to do so. I think they have good reasons !! No body waste time and money to buy and read my books !!!!

Houshang Aziz !

All these problems surfaces in our personal aspect.
We don't know exactly what are our capabilities and if know , we don't know how to use them.
With this mind we get a post in the hem ! Even in that case we don't what is the importance of Chabahr or other strategic paces of Iran.
The ruins of Portugese CaSTEL in Chabahar shows that they new and got the point but we can not understand such importance even today!!!

HoshangTarehgol5

Hoshang Tarehgol An injury to one is an injury to all.

In terms of creating long term, large scale sources of revenue through a mere utilization of our fecund national geography we could easily write a few books, from transportation, to sustainable energy production,...
Not only European colonizers "knew the strategic places of Iran and got it," those same colonialists also enjoyed experiences of Enlightenment and Rationalism. Of course they used their cultural, philosophical heritage in a most barbaric, Eurocentric fashion, but thanks to those two developments they had attained higher capacities for mental and manual labor. It would be exaggeration to say Iran has never had such a comparable period of Enlightenment or any strong tradition of Rationalism.

Japan remains the only Asia nation to have had an actual national project for study and absorption of Western Philosophy; back in 1920 Japan sent a high level delegation of Japanese philosophers and academicians to Europe in order for them to read and translate text into Japanese. The first Japanese translations of Kant date back to 1920's.

Our first translations of Kant date back to 1980's.

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روشنگری همانا به در آمدن انسان است از حالت کودکی‌ای که گناهش به گردن خود اوست. کودکی [Unmϋndigkeit (minorité)] یعنی ناتوانی از به کار گرفتن فهم [Verstand (entendement)] خود بدون راهنمایی دیگران و اگر علت این کودکی نه فقدان فهم، که نبود عزم و شجاعت در به کارگیری فهم خود بدون راهنمایی دیگران باشد، گناه آن به گردن خود انسان است. شعار روشنگری این است: Sapere aude!، جسارت آن را داشته باش که فهم خود را به کار گیری!


http://pargar1.persianblog.ir/post/3/

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

I don't understand what you mean when you say "we have 15 ...."

cyrousmoradi

cyrous moradi I am interested in Mathematics , literature and International relations. I wish to publish my stories . No publisher dares to do so. I think they have good reasons !! No body waste time and money to buy and read my books !!!!

I mean Azerbaijan Republic , Armenia , Russia , Ghazagistan, Turkmanistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Oman, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Suadi arabia, Kuwait , Iraq, Turkey

P_J..

P_J..

Dear Cyrous,

Don't believe that these folks are completely insane or crazy. I suspect some political reasoning behind what they do, although senseless to the sane mind. Unfortunately, distrust and paranoia of outsiders might play a substantial role in their decision makings!

Iran is a natural conduit/highway that connects Europe to Asia. Not taking advantage of this strategically lucrative highway is insanity!

Again, openness can be a curse and/or a bitch to the closed minded dictators!

EsfandAashena

Esfand Aashena http://iranian.com/main/member/esfand-aashena.html

Why there are no planes over Tehran, either transit or direct takeoffs or landings?

choghok

choghok Your enemie's enemy is necessarily not a friend.

The real reason is that Iran do not allow the makers of the application to gather data on its air, not because there are no flights going on there. The same thing happened when Belarus decided not to allow the flights on its airspace to be distributed.

The other answer just like most of the article above is made by a very imaginative mind with little to do with reality.

P_J..

P_J..

Good point! Don't forget Air Traffics Radar tracking that are also essential, and a big NO...NO!.

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

So using your logic the whole of Africa must be also doing what the mullahs are doing.

And please if you are going to make a comment, do it without being facetious.

choghok

choghok Your enemie's enemy is necessarily not a friend.

The makers of the service need to negotiate the rights before they can display data, so if they have not get the rights then they can be sued, so until they do they cannot show the data even if they can access it.

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

The Islamic Republic of Iran is a pariah state. I think the insurance costs are very high.

EsfandAashena

Esfand Aashena http://iranian.com/main/member/esfand-aashena.html

There are a lot of planes in the southern part of Iran where the risk is presumably more. Except Europe, all planes are on the fringes of the land areas. Maybe the scale is small or this pic was taken at a certain time.

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

The air and sea in the Persian Gulf are under international treaties. Inside Iran is another story.

EsfandAashena

Esfand Aashena http://iranian.com/main/member/esfand-aashena.html

The picture says 1945 out of 7662 visible. So many are not visible, you can get this info and pic from your iPhone. Don't know how much are insurance premiums and not going to speculate, suffice to say planes have resumed flights over eastern Ukraine even AFTER a jetliner was shot down.

There are planes over ISIS controlled territories! wondering how much are insurance flights over there? Come on Ali!

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

Look around the world as well. Go to the site now and see it all live. Zoom in and see which airline is it that is not scared to go to the trouble spots.

EsfandAashena

Esfand Aashena http://iranian.com/main/member/esfand-aashena.html

So they don't have insurance or their insurance is with Abolfazl?!

NiloufarParsi

Niloufar Parsi http://niloufarparsi.wordpress.com

"Number of daily flights passing through Iran's air space has reached 866 on Aug. 11, which is a new record in the country's aviation history.

Mohammad Ali Ilkhani, Director of Iran's Airports Company, said security risks in Ukraine, Iraq, and Afghanistan have persuaded international flights to pass through Iran's air space, Iran's IRNA news agency reported Aug.12.

The number of flights more than doubled on Aug. 12 compared to the same day last year, Ilkhani said.

Deputy CEO for Aeronautical Operations at Iran Airports Company (IAC) Ebrahim Shoushtari said on Aug. 4 that the country's airspace has the capacity to receive over 750 passing flights each day, Iran's Fars news agency reported.

Shoushtari said earlier that, following the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)'s request, Iran declared readiness to admit passing flights which intend to change their route and use Iran's aerial space."

http://en.trend.az/regions/iran/2302331.html

alimostofi

Ali Mostofi Astrology, Current Affairs. Princeton Class of 1981. Iranian.com member since 2005 http://iranian.com/main/member/alimostofi.html http://iranian.com/mostofi.html

Thanks. Have you checked it out to see if it really happening?

NiloufarParsi

Niloufar Parsi http://niloufarparsi.wordpress.com

No, I just thought the item may be of interest.