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How to change Iran from Religious Rule to a Democracy

Balatarin

 

Just saying it seems impossible.

 

But Iranians are nothing if not geniuses at deconstructing problems and finding a solution.

 

I am by no means a 

 

genius.

 

I can't even put genius on the same line as 

 

I.

 

But I can read. Especially I can read the two Constitutions of Iran, the one Khomeini put in place in 1979 when he stole the revolution out from under the people of Iran. And the second one Khamenei re-stole in 1989.

 

Iranians in 1979 had barely come together long enough to remove a tyrannical king, when Khomeini drove a wedge through them once again, and shattered their newfound courage and confidence by inserting his aberration version of Shiite Islam like shaft into their hearts.

 

The 1979 referendum drove the shaft deeper and was the seeming culmination of the sealed fate of Iranians. Until Khomeini finally and thankfully died.

 

Unfortunately at that time Iran was in an embarrassingly endless war with Iraq, and this time, the next opportunistic priest was Khamenei. Using the national emergency war powers, he edited the Constitution again in 1989, firming up the position of Supreme Leader into a full monarchy, and assigning it to himself for life. He then pointed all the useful organs of the state at him, bringing all armed forces and all other day to day decision making under his dark cloak of, well, what has essentially been nothing but the worst kind of darkness, that the Spanish Inquisition would be envious of.

 

To make his new law tamper-proof, Khamenei removed the most important part of any Constitution, the amendment rules. This eliminated ANY attempt to modify the Constitution by the people's representatives, since he also re-wrote the rues of what a popular vote is.

 

To seal this forever, and make any attempt to change it not only illegal, but blasphemous, he declared the new Constitution a "Perfect Document". This blessing (or curse) made it a sin to change Iran's new Constitution.

 

As we say in Persian, "…three tries, makes it a game…". To finally give his new abomination the slightest credibility he used the same coercive fear tactics that Khomeini had used in 1979 and issued a quick vote on it through another referendum, that once again the war-weary and shellshocked Iranian people, too afraid not to vote and risk being put on the same lists that Khomeini put executees and other enemies of the state on, in 1979, and everyone passed it with nary a whimper. So, both in 1979, and again in 1989 the Iranian referendums that religious rule derives almost all of its legitimacy were gained by the votes of fearful Iranians. Not free Iranians.

 

Which is the only reason Khamenei is in power today, and has so much of it.

 

If you, like me, knew this then shame on us for sitting around twiddling our thumbs since 1989 or 1979 if we want to be especially hard on our apathy. If this is news to you, but you now agree, and see this as an illegitimate act, good. 

 

Because it was also technically illegal.

 

So, that is the opening preamble for removing religious rule from Iran.

 

How this gets done is now where the deconstruction part of the problem comes in. Or it becomes rather simple. But that is not to say it will be easy. It will be almost impossible. But it is probable. Just very low probability.

 

Warning: What you are about to read next is considered to be a felony crime in Iran.

 

[NOTE: In the following please do not mistake "remove" with "kill". In no way do I advocate ANY violence in this corrective action. As a human being, I have no right to, and simply I cannot condemn ANYONE to death.]

 

In order to remove religious rule from Iran, you have to remove Khamenei, and the position of Supreme Leader. The very design of putting all power in one body, is precisely it's biggest weakness.

 

Here's how to remove (not kill) the Supreme Leader: 

 

"Someone" has to pull off a quiet emergency coup. This can be done now, or when Khamenei dies during the transition to a new Supreme Leader if he designates one.

 

"Someone" would have to place the Supreme Leader into protective custody, along with all members of the guardian and expediency councils. 

 

They would next need to temporarily suspend the Constitution, and maintain control of the government, while free elections of the people of Iran's true representatives are elected to a new congress or Majles. These elections must be monitored and conducted by a foolproof, cheat-proof system, with international monitors and possibly even conducted by a neutral entity like the UN.

 

The new congress would then take on the process of re-writing a popular, proper, and above all separation of religion and state type secular constitution with all of the usual human, civil, and civic rights of a modern era.

 

This process would also re-define the government, president, minsters, and major organs of a modern state.

 

During this time, "Someone" would maintain control and order, handing off control after the new Constitution has been put in place.

 

The former Supreme Leader and former members of the councils would remain in protective custody, and if according to the new Constitution, they were found to have committed crimes against the state and people of Iran, would face those charges fairly in a court of law and be given every right to defend their actions.

 

Hopefully the new Iran would banish the death penalty, and all of these folks would live the rest of their lives in peace, and above all, quiet.

Balatarin

Visfor Voy @VisforVoy

Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

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Zendanian

Zendanian An injury to one is an injury to all.

VV jan thanks for another hilarious piece of commentary.
The 800 pound guerrilla that you left out of the equation is Sepah Pasadaran, aka "Revolutionary Guards" (which is actually an incorrect translation of "The Guardians of Islamic Revolution's Corps." sepah pasdaran enghlabe eslami). This military-political behemoth is the only entity in Iran truly in control of security forces, economy, the clergy, Bazar, and the force behind the recent negotiations with the West. And as long as they're in charge, there will be no coup against the clergy. Or if there's one, you could rest assure the result will not be beneficial for a rule of law or people.

However, the prospect for a positive change in Iranian society is not as bleak as you think. We have daily protests, demonstrations and acts of defiance in four corners of Iran. We probably hear about only a fraction of them, because they remain fragmented, and uncoordinated. You could rest assure once these struggles and protests are coordinated on a national scale, we'll be witnessing a drastically different circumstances in Iran.

As demonstrated in 1979, the most civilized, efficient way of overthrowing a government is through a General Strike. After that comes the Constituent Assembly and the new constitution. And of course between these two steps there will be a Transitional Council to take care of daily matters of the country.

Needless to say Death Penalty and torture will be banned and illegal in our new constitution. All current officials found guilty of crimes will receive life sentence, with hard labor (cleaning public restrooms). And that would be actually where they really belong!

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

If there is a democratic system in place, we no longer need to be concerned with the constitution, since rule of law becomes irrelevant with such unproven systems.

Zendanian

Zendanian An injury to one is an injury to all.

Democracies are different things to different people. But above all they are processes in constant formation, evolution and progress. You keep missing this dynamic aspect of democratic systems with a statistic misinterpretation.
If we take IC as a mosaic of the broader democratic system we have in mind for Iran, the fact that diametrically opposed point of views get to express themselves in here, and freedom of expression is respected, is a validation of it.

KeyvanNassiri4

Keyvan Nassiri

Remove religion from constitution. In addition, remove religious studies from schools curriculum. Theology (religion) should only be a field to be studied, by choice, at the university level.

Anglo_Phile

Anglo Phile

Sorry boys but I have got some news for you all:

Religion is here to stay. Without religion there will be no democracy!

Now, let's move on.

What was the next question?


VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

The next question is, if Religion is here to stay, why are more people leaving it than joining it?

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

Common Sociological fact.

When a society becomes better off, they tend to leave religion rather than join it. Look around, the only countries where Islam or Christianity are reasonably "thriving" are poor.

When you are hungry and hopeless, it is easier to put your faith in God.

But as soon as you become fed, you start to be able to see your own potential, and that leads to education, and very shortly after that, you come to depend on an increasingly absent God far less than the priest would like.

This is why priests always want you to be pious, humble, and well, poor.

Which is why they are always asking for your money.

Anglo_Phile

Anglo Phile

V V joon are you being serious or have you received a Gold Globe for comedy darling? Just think about what you are saying (or if you wish don't think):

"When a society becomes better off, they tend to leave religion rather than join it. Look around, the only countries where Islam or Christianity are reasonably "thriving" are poor. But as soon as you become fed, you start to be able to see your own potential, and that leads to education, and very shortly after that, you come to depend on an increasingly absent God far less than the priest would like."

My God where did you find these "common sociological facts"?!

Were Iranians better off in 1979 or in 1969? or in 1959? or in 1949?
If they were better off in 1979 (which they were) so why te hell did thet rally in millions under the leadership of a priest; Imam Khomeini?

How about the very country where you are living in, yes tha's it, the U S of A. Isn't it the most well off country in the world? And one of the most religious ones too? Where does "God Bless America" at the end of each presidential speech comes from? From non-religiosity?!!

So you see darling, your sociological facts may win you a GG award in comedy but I am afraid do not match with my socio-sexual facts - LOL

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

Ah! So you are by nature a doubting Iranian and always want proof? Fantastic!

OK, Let's see if you can find the flaw in my argument (Hint: There is a VERY big one)

The following recent study showed that social mobility tends weaken religion.

Education, Social Mobility and Religious Movements:
A Theory of the Islamic Revival in Egypt∗
Christine Binzel Jean-Paul Carvalho
Heidelberg University & IZA University of California, Irvine
August 2013

This study showed that,

"...decline in social mobility combined with inequality can produce a religious revival..."

"...The principal idea is that religion is a coping mechanism for unfulfilled aspiration, which occurs when consumption falls below an expectations-based reference point."

This therefore proves my assertion that poor people tend to gravitate towards religion. But when a society moves up on the economic scale, or gets fed, they tend to stop the religious nonsense.

Or, that religion has essentially has no prominent place in a society once it has become "modern".

OK, now find the flaw. Again, it's right there in front of you. Remember the thrill is in the hunt. Not the kill. :)

Anglo_Phile

Anglo Phile

Oh I seeeeeeee V V joon. Now it is as clear as dayligt to me. You see V V joon I am very slow in processing your super fast super smart analyses. So let's see if I have understood you correctly:

Basically you are saying that because the people of Iran were so starved or dying from hungar they duirng the Shah's time, they turned to Islam and became hardline supporters of Imam Khomeini and now that they are super rich and over-fed, they have turned away from religion and want to get rid of religion. Right?

My God you are a magician V V joon. You can make people understand the most complex of arguments by just a few words! Whey don't you run your own ministry on God's TV? You will find millions of followers overnight or overday if you prefer!

And did you say flaw? What flaw?

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

Apparently I am either too fast for you, or you are shall we just say "not as fast", because you're not getting it.

The Islamic part of the revolution was fed by the jonoob-shahri bazari led poor. I argue that the pure revolution was "stolen" by Khomeini when he saw the power slipping away as people got rid of the Shah and started looking seriously at un-religious democracy (Bani Sadr/Bazargan days).

He then mobilized the poor with the help of the Bazaris (who have always supported the cleric class), and took the revolution away from a moderate un-religious direction, and drove it over to the Masjed, where it has lain slowly bleeding, now for 33 years.

Look and see, the followers are still to this day, the poor. whoa re being fed twice by a religious class that knows they are only loyal to whoever feeds them.

Which is every Friday, after the chanting, and fist pumping against America and Israel is over with, "Time to Eat Boys!

None of these folks, if fed full, and given a proper job, and the free unenforced will to choose, would EVER step foot in a Mosque again.

Another correction to your comment, I am referring to the poor of Iran. While this is not the entire people of Iran, sadly those middle class folks are too afraid to speak their mind and lose what little they have obtained by objecting.

The rich of Iran have increased their wealth with this regime so they are complicit. Estimates are that the wealthy class in Iran have prospered greatly under the IRI, and have increased their wealth by over 100 times that of the Shah era wealthy class. Adjusted for real dollars.

This is the stark reality of Iran today. The rich have simply changed guard, but have gotten richer. So they aren't about to argue. The poor cannot complain because they are being fed well by the religious class, who does so in order to maintain majority power. The middle class are struggling to survive and have everything to lose. So they aren't about to object.

This is called a Perfect Storm.

Zendanian

Zendanian An injury to one is an injury to all.

Majority of Iranians have demonstrated time after time they are against the mixture of religion and politics.
Personal beliefs, including religion, is no excuse to prolong a bloody theocracy through repressive violence.
The only reason mullahs are still in power is not because majority of people in Iran are muslim, it is because of those Basiji thugs in the streets.
Remove those Basiji thugs from the street and the whole Islamic Republic of Hell will evaporate in less than a day.
As they say in Iran: "Dictator, welcome to the End!"

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

The reason why the IRI has the capability to have such brute force and oppression is they have followers who will blindly follow them and will do all manner of crimes against the people of Iran for the IRI. If you were to compare between the IRI and "democratic systems" you'd realize it's the same difference, in the case of democratic systems you have people enslaved to an ideal, which is not present in practice and with many supporters are gladly willing to remain enslaved and blind from the truth. In contrast the IRI has blind followers who brought the IRI Mafia to power in 1979, they did have the popular mandate back in 1979 which is the basis for how "democratic systems" dys-function. The shocker is not what an unproven system "democratic systems" are, its that any one is even debating this subject today.

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

Exactly. The ONLY reason Iran is an Islamic republic today is by brute force and oppression.

If you put it to a fair and uninterfered with vote, that was private and fair, and had a proper civic process in place for running things, few Iranians would choose to let their Mollah run the show.

Some still would though. Of course they are idiots.

And in a free Iran we could call them that and answer their arguments, without fear.

Zendanian

Zendanian An injury to one is an injury to all.

As you might have noticed they've been unable to even deal with the Greens, because they know exactly how deep in Shitte they are.
They've had two presidential candidates in house arrest for years now, and they still don't have a clue what to do with them; to kill them would be too costly, to let the case fester, creates more attention. Like mentioning them everyday of the week.
There's a metaphor in Persian vernacular about a stick of wood, with both sides "golden," (Chob do sar tala). And that is IR's predicament at the moment.

AbdyMoghbel

Abdy Moghbel Abdy Moghbel

Further essential conditions include absolute separation of religion from government; life time barred from political activity imposed on ALL constituent members of I.R.I. past and present; as well as all clergymen and women. Complete ban on all religious teachings in all institutions; complete ban on all forms of religious activity and discussion outside of the four walls of home. Dismantlement of revolutionary guards, insitutions and organisations. Return of all assests misappropriated by khamenei, his family and all members of his present and past government and supporters. Removal of Iranian citizenship from all present and past constituent members of I.R.I.followed by mass deportation of all those found guilty of treasonable acts while in power during the reign of I.R.I.

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

I wouldn't go so far as to impose any sort of bans on anything really. That would just drive religion back into the shadows of the alleys, which is exactly where they came from in the first place.

No, I would rather keep them in the sunlight where they can dry up into a fine harmless dust forever.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

You Ask a Bad question like that and you are going to start a bad conversation.
"How to change Iran from Religious Rule to a Democracy" Is BAD QUESTION exactly because "democratic systems are unproven" Iranians need to develop a system that respects the law and has laws that protect the people, especially the weak by making a level playing field for all, as well as defending the rights of the disenfranchised. Lets stop aiming to enslave the people to ideals, like "democratic systems" that serve the few like the west is doing, how does that sound for a change? I was hoping you wanted to save the people, not give it to them up the @$$.

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

Democracies can certainly go bad, that is true.

What I like about them however is that at the end of the day, the people are in charge, and their ability to course-correct when they occasionally veer off course.

My entire theory behind the article assumes however, that Iranians would actually want Democracy in the first place.

You could very well be correct.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

You are missing my point entirely about unproven systems of government. If at the end of the day the people are in charge in this case then there would be no issue at all with democratic systems. None at all. Democratic Systems do not have the people in charge, that is their flaw. That is why I go out of my way to make the distinction on the one hand between democracy / the legitimate ideal created out of intelligence and democratic systems / systems of government where the people do not have power nor are they aware of how power is working to convince them because they are participating in many branches of society but with out any say. I am trying to think up a metaphor for you so you can see parallels.

Let me ask you a question in order to see where you are on your own journey of thought, Do you think their is a functioning Justice System in the USA or has been at some point in time in your life time, for the citizens of such a democratic system? Do you think a Justice System is an important institution for a System of Government that is Proven?

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

I think your assumption that anyone is claiming that Democracy is not flawed is wrong.

No one is saying that. No system is perfect, or all systems of governance are flawed.

I will argue that Democracy has the best mechanisms for self correction when flaws are discovered.

ie: Bill Clinton
ie. Newt Gingrich
ie. George Bush
ie. Neocon Extremism
ie. Tea Party
ie. Obama

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

The issue is not Perfection. The Issue is being good enough in delivering people power and protections for the public. The other issue is being Proven, in the area of Law specifically. It is neither. I don't think it's any ones job to defend "democratic systems" because they are not suitable in practice and have never been proven based on a body of evidence. You are not a politician to give us statements like "it's better than all the rest" or "it self corrects and always does the right thing when all options are exhausted."

The Point is the ideal in which the people are being enslaved to is Democracy means "people power" and in democratic systems we the people have less power than say for example in a monarchy like the one in Iran in the 1970's. The parallel between democratic systems, dictatorship and tyranny are greater than a simple monarchy, because to criticize a system is not enough with out giving the people something to compare it to. Fraud and Corruption in democratic systems is far greater than in Monarchies also.

So really what are we being presented? All systems are backed by money, however democratic systems, require journalists, the media, politicians, all elements of society to have no choice but to support it, that is not the case with Monarchy. Democratic systems do unlawful wars, mass murder, mass deception and theft all the time like a juke box plays songs. These will never stop with democratic systems, ironically injustice it is their main product. The Receipts prove it.

Representatives in democratic systems do not do as the people wish, their alliances are not based on principle but the pursuit of power and listening not to the people but those with the money. When the people do not support a team they get rid of the entire team, that is the element that does not go on in democratic systems, elections again and again and the people are the ones that can not cause change because they do not have the authority to do so. Which in theory they are supposed to.

Because Democracies have many blind followers, this doesn't make them any more right than religious rulers. Deceiving and Coercing is not the same as giving people a true choice free of deceit and coercion. We now know for sure that separation of powers does not work, since neither side is abiding by the highest law and both sides break it frequently.

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

So far you have pointed out the flaws of Democracy.

I agree. But I don't know of any other system that can self correct, or that is better. So I "Vote" for Democracy. With all of it's flaws.

Pray tell us though, if you know of a better form of government.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

So first these are not complaints or flaws, these are proof that democratic systems are not producing people power or comparable public happiness.

The true record of the late shah was from the standpoint of peace, progress and human rights, unprecedented in recent Iranian and World history. Not saying prisoners were not beaten, however no one was beaten severely or ever came close to death from beating unlike the hundreds of cases by say the USA in the last decade. Not saying that people were not ordered to be killed by courts, however far less than any "democratic system" were ever executed while factoring for size also.

The Iranian people really lost the most due to the timing of the coup/revolution, so that the resources that the country was becoming capable of producing which were allocated for use to develop people power culturally, increase real opportunities and care, never were experienced. Time is what Iran did not have, it was slaughtered right before it was about to be capable of Over Taking western standards of service for the people. For example, The steel industry which was one major component of delivering resources to the society based on an economic multiplier effect of 20 fold and key provider of resources for the government was at 1 million tonnes a year and was only 4 to 7 years away from making 15 million tonnes a year based on half the work force. Not to mention that expansion would have had a 20 fold increase economically and even more from the standpoint of education and skills, more like 100 fold.

Democracy as a system of government is unproven. The pursuit of Democracy leaves a totally undemocratic society in practice. Democracy is an ideal that ensues, so it is unlike other ideal in this regard, it comes not from direct pursuit, but ensues as a result of from many many activities performed by a society. So people having democratic culture is the aim and is not possible with a religion that murders all people that guide society towards activities that give the people power. Real people power, based on meaningful choices is proven only in cases where it is a national culture, in the USA only some universities of the university system are involved in activities that produce democratic culture and that is not enough for a culture to take root. Education, not as a business, is one key to empowering people to learn how to develop independent and authentic thoughts. Take a look at my id and take a wild guess of which system can deliver a democratic culture for Iran based on where it is today. In Iran's case it may take a generation or 20 years just to restore freedom alone and not even start to work o democratic culture. The solution is not the same for all, small societies can easily and do have democratic cultures more easily (size for some reason works against democratic culture) with non monarchy based systems. The UK and holland today in practice have the most firm democratic cultures and not due to their democratic systems which harm people power, but how their democratic systems powers are in fact limited, unlike in the USA, which harms to people power much more frequently. For the US system to get back on a better track, the most realistic approach is to redesign the existing system and change every component that relies on trusting that all the people will always be trustworthy. A system based on just an oath is not good enough.

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

OK, So I suggest Iran should get a democracy with all of your objections addressed.

I am 100% with you on a monarchy for Iran however. No Apologies for it whatsoever.

Especially Iran with it's long 2500+ year tradition of it, has to have one in order to retain it's identity.

A secular Democracy without a Monarchy in Iran would be cold and pointless and hugely detrimental denial of long heritage.

What Iran needs more than anything first, however, is a Constitution.

That will require a "civic participation process" to freely debate the best one that will guarantee the Iranian people all of the minimum basic human, civil, and civic rights, then as a free Iranian I would would require that we consider adding the Monarchy back in some safe limited power way, that avoids the pitfalls of the past.

Then we can get back to our evolution as a country.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

People Participation, We the people in reality, not just in name ie having councils or districts and the people electing their management at a local level is essential. Power has to have lawful limits. The legal system has to be independent of politics, so that as elected people move to undermine protection of the people their acts can get over turned, like it occurs in Holland and the UK. The thing is Democrat Culture is the main goal, not the interests of the top 100 corporations, which in the USA are supported in over turning even the US constitution on a frequent basis.

Meaningful representation is only going to happen to the degree that the culture is democratic, unlike the USA where those elected are in practice working only for bigger interests, power and money. America had the highest level of comfort, ease, freedoms for about 50 % of the population and mostly after the age of 35, yet there only money talks, not the people and their justice system and protection of people from government action is the worst because the legal system is only about money also. Money by itself, like in the USA ensures the death of genuine politics and politeness in place of propaganda, aggression and violence on most of the people at the hands of the corporate serving police force. This is not an acceptable or functioning democratic system, meanwhile in foreign policy the USA has ruined all the other democratic systems which are coerced and forced to take the US side regardless of politics, for money alone in such a stupid way that they have no care what anyone thinks or feels about them, because they have absolute impunity to justice.

Participation needs to be above 90% for a democratic culture to thrive and above 75% for a democratic culture to even function, freely and fairly. Not like the USA having 25% at a local level because people do not have access to legitimate choices, like none of the above as a protest when people are not happy with their teams leadership and more than 3 differing sides, each with a possibility of winning, so that the choice is not a dilemma of only 2, but a choice.

parvizsahand

parvizsahand

There arre not any way to do it till the majority of iranians are moslem!

VisforVoy

Visfor Voy Voy! Is an Iranian expression of great frustration. A play on the film and comic book adaptation "V is for Vendetta". Get it? Object to Iran, and put energy into Pragmatic (not reckless, dangerous or foolhardy) Opposition to it.

I thought all Iranians are automatically moslems.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy I Love Waterfalls and Find One of the most humorous things in the world; is the notion that Americans are a greater force for good & more civilized than Nazi's, Mullahs and Communists.

with this IRI mafia no one is Free to leave either.

Zendanian

Zendanian An injury to one is an injury to all.

By definition a Democracy has to include all doctrines and all social/political groups including religious & non-religious ones.
The title in here refers to transforming the political order of Iran from a theocratic one to a democratic one.
In a theocracy political power is monopolized by religious forces.
In a democracy there's no monopoly of power. Every social forces has a presence & a share of power according to their social base & power.
Religion will remain with us in many forms & manifestations. From the traditional forms to newer ones. A newer form of religion that is oft overlooked is what Walter Benjamin had referred to: "Capitalism as Religion."

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...soon!

Anglo_Phile

Anglo Phile

@abdy moghbel:

Wow brother! Is this your vision of democracy? Iranian style :))