Standing with Israel

A necessary alliance to ensure that Iran reaches democracy

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Standing with Israel
by mansours
14-Sep-2009
 

I knew that my article arguing for a debate about the merits of military action against Iran instead of a defamation campaign against those opposing war would cause a lot of hot emotions to come out ["Bombing Iran is the only path forward"]. But never did I expect the attacks I received from my fellow monarchists, both public and private attacks. What bewilders me is that many of them know that my line of thinking has a lot of support in our circles – even at the very top.

But instead of engaging in a debate, and discussing the crimes of the Islamic Republic and the manner in which groups like NIAC delay the arrival of democracy by opposing war, they chose to attack me. Interestingly, I wasn’t attacked by the pro-NIAC crowd in the same manner.

I now realize that the problem I face is a microcosm of what is taking place in the US as a whole. Extremists groups descend on Capitol Hill and call Obama Hitler instead of debating his truly horrific health plan. These extremists then claim to talk for all of us Republicans, and if the majority Republicans raises their voice, we get attacked and slandered.

The exact same phenomena can be found among Iranian monarchists. A few extremists are out there pretending to speak for us all, and if anyone from our own circles protest, he or she gets attacked. This way, the extremists manage to steal our agenda and control our movement.

But as I wrote in my earlier article ["Bombing Iran is the only path forward"], this is not the time to be silent. If the extremists in our circles win, we will once again lose the opportunity to bring real change to Iran.

Now more than ever, instead of attacking other groups, we should articulate why Obama’s diplomacy with Iran is so erroneous.

Now more than ever, we should explain to American politicians why new sanctions must be imposed on Iran, not to cripple, but to destroy. The Iranian economy is throughout sick. Whoever takes over Iran will be forced to destroy it before it can be rebuilt. That won’t be a popular project. Better to have the US destroy the Iranian economy now so that the government that will take over from the Sepah and the akhounds can focus on positive rebuilding.

Now is the time to explain exactly why the Iranian-American community should ally itself with AIPAC, instead of treating American Jews as embarrassing cousins from the dahat who we don’t want to associate with, even though it’s their power and influence that we need to liberate Iran.

Now is the time to discuss the number of people that will get killed over decades if the regime survives vs the number of people who will get killed in a few moments if we or the Israelis bomb Iran.

Now is the time to discuss why it is so dangerous if Ahmadinejad gets the bomb. It’s not just about Iran, it’s about democracy as a whole. If Ahmadinejad gets the bomb, it will be an existential threat to the only democracy in the Middle East, Israel. If the Israeli democracy collapses and Islamists take over, then not only wont Iran reach democracy – the entire region will be denied democracy. Standing with Israel against Iran has less to do with Israel and more to do with a necessary alliance to ensure that Iran reaches democracy.

The choice is simple – liberate Palestine or liberate Iran. If we ally with the tree huggers and socialists, Iran will remain a prison, but the Palestinians may get a deal. If we ally with the Israeli Right, the Palestinians will be screwed, but Iran will be liberated.

I don’t care what happens to the Palestinians. I am Iranian first, so my choice is clear. What is yours?

These are the debates we should have. And they should be initiated not by me but by Reza Pahlavi.

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Kourosh khan,

by dingo daddy En passant on

what are you debating actually? Who are you so angry at then? Why do you say people should focus on the "debate"? It does not make any sense unless you also "stepped on it" and took cheap shots against all of us who were disgusted by the author.

You continue to write in a disrespectful way. Telling people to "calm down" against suggestions of bombing their country when you are the one who is taking cheap shots. it's not clear who is your target but it wasn't the author, it must have been the other people who commented in disgust. If you want to debate the war, be my guest. But you weren't interested in any debate when you wrote your piece.

 


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With friends like these

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Who needs enemies?

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Whoa... There pal

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Easy there dingo

You did not pay attention to what i really said. I am justifiably disgusted and i CALLED HIM ON THAT. you just failed to get that little part in there, didn't you? Yet you decided to step on it and make all sorts of accusations. Oh well. Like i said, Such had become a norm on this site.

He can be whatever the hell he can be. Bombing iran is HIS idea, Not mine, Not yours. Did I say anywhere that i was for the idea? Do you trust your vision my friend?

What kind of debate i expect from you? I don't know. Why don't you calm down and say what is on your mind. That is all. I am doing what i accuse others of doing? Really? so tell me. What is it that i am doing? first things first.

You want me to lead the debate? Wow. Well. let me just say that i am so honored that you are making that suggestion. But i don't think i have the qualifications, not as much as you do (I hope).

No my friend. The misguided person here  is you who is under the illusion that i am suggesting war as an acceptable option.


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Kourosh khan, I don't get your frustration.

by dingo daddy En passant on

What are you talking about? I am close to the Monarchist community and consider myself a constitutional Monarchist. This person is not a real Monarchist. I have had the same reaction as everyone else. All Iranians are justifiably disgusted. What gives YOU the right to call that dishonest?

Nobody is putting words in his mouth: he SAYS he is a Monarchist. He BELIEVES Israeli military to bomb Iran is "the only way forward".  There is no way to sugarcoat this!

What kind of debate do you expect from us? Why don't you lead that debate instead of doing what you accuse everyone else of doing too. If you are suggesting war is an acceptable "side" in a debate, then you are just as misguided as Mansours.


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Who asked you?

by KouroshS on

How some people give themselves the right to assume to know what is good for iran and iranians is beyond one sane and healthy mind.

How some people bully their way into all arguments by using all kinds of pretentious and most arrogant form of what is far less than logic, is incredible.

Mansours.

You must understand that by coming up with such brilliantly developed presentations, NOT, what you really are doing, is giving more room for some good-for-nothing, arrogant and paranoid commenters here to just take the forum over and spew nonsense. I know how horrible soarly misguided and rediculous personal attacks are that you are complaining about, and it has been a norm that those who initiate it always point the finger onto others and start acting paranoid.

Do you not see that they are waiting for one minsicule chance to just steal away the moment and capitalize on their own rubbish of "i told you so" rather than putting the empahsis on the word DEBATE? One would think that based on their years of experience in writing and holding discussions they would be human enough to at least get that much out of an argument. 

Please. please. I don't care what your political motivations are, This should not even be about deciphering your ideology and affiliations and people who really care for their iran and are not just pretending to do so, would realize this. So  let's not give these people ammunition to change the whole topic of the blog and turn it around and make you or anyone else for that matter, to be the guilty party by merely suggetsing to DEBATE the issues.


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When you're a hammer

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You think every problem is like a nail.


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These Zionists use

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These Zionists use different Iranian names on this site and elsewhere to pretend that they are Iranians who also want Iran bombed, so therefore, it is OK to do that and doing so is helping Iranians.  Q is right, these are good examples of how serious the threats are and I think they makes the world to understand Hitler better. In another blog bunch of Zionists under the name republicans where discussing the same mentality on FOX.   

 


Q

Samsam, you have a very active imagination

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Samsam, this is not the first Monarchist guy to make claims like this. It is nothing new. Whether they admit it or not, people like this were cheering Saddam Hussein for 8 years in the hopes that they would get their throne back. You damn well know, or you should, that there is a f-ed up monarchist faction who is so increadibly out of touch that they even consider RP a traitor. Your post is the overreaching fantasies of a hyper active imagination, not to mention indirect insults to JJ and this site.

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AIPAC: AZ ABEH GELI MAHI MIGIREH! Israel go to hell!

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If they could bomb, they would! Now they want us to help them? Who do they think we are? Bunch of fools? Anything benefits Israel is not good for us! Israel should just stay away for her own good!

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The reason behind my argument below;

by SamSamIIII on

 

There are only 3 different groups who get their articles published by JJ, either you are a ;

Group A- home based Bloggers or writers who are known to the site such as Ms Azarin,Azadeh,Shazdeh,Abarmard,FS, others...etc..

Group B- Famous Iranian writers & journalists well known among diaspora whose works are featured by JJ at times..

Group C- JJ,s Childhood & ideological personal friends such as Ardeshir Ommani, NIAC members & all other reformist clan..etc

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Group A? No way !, he has never written one blog on this site to come outta nowhere to get his article published by admin.

Group B ? Nope, No one has heard of this dude on the web, a complete unknown.

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So having read this guy,s 2 amateur attempts to impersonate a monarchist bomber & logics above makes me to come to the conclusion that this piece was written by no other than a IRI lobbyiest entity who begged JJ to look the other way for old times sake. IRI cant buy JJ , so they chose the easy way & decided to  flood his site by garbage like these.

again I never say I,m right but it,s my right to be wrong.

 

Cheers!!!

 

 

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Bending Over for Israel

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Mansours, thanks to Shah's start of Iranian nuclear program and its continuation during IRI by Rafsanjani, Khameneie  and others ... even if you do more than bending over for Israelies/AIPAC, you may not get what you want. Have fun with AIPAC!


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Who wrote this article ?

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 There is no way, no how, no when that a monarchist or an opposition group is behind this bombing article . JJ knows which regime lobby group is behind this piece and journalistic ethics must compel him to end this charade .credibility & decency of the site depends on it.

Maa khar nistim..aaaarrr aaarrr ;)

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Mansours,

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Do you pass your time on video games? From which game have you took this image? Prince Persia in 21th century?


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Thank You Mansours

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I wholeheartedly thank you for this piece. But I hope you realize nobody is reading past the headline.

But I thank you.

You see, when people like me warn of a serious chance of aggression against Iran in the form of war or economic blockade which could trigger decades of devestation, a bunch of asshat clowns with no understanding of global geopolitics always say "No! There's no danger of war! Nobody supports it, you are exaggerating!!!" These clowns can now be directed to your writing.

Heartless traitors, and vatan-forushan like you, who put their narcissistic ideologies above the lives, dignity and desires of million of Iranians, are nothing new. It's just that most of the time, they have a modicum of shame or media savviness to hide their treasonous designs behind neutral sounding terms like "foreign assistance" and "regime change funding".

But it is refreshing to once in a while hear from those subset of traitors either too idiotic or too shameless to even use code words.

I will bookmark this page and send it to anybody who says "there is no support for bombing Iran."

Thanks again for exposing what AIPAC's Fall media campaign is all about.

PS. If NIAC is smart they just got themselves a free fundraising letter.


ebi amirhosseini

shameless traitor...

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Ebi aka Haaji


Artificial Intelligence

terrible ideas and analysis

by Artificial Intelligence on

You are no different than the appologist who defend IRI here and blame everything on AIPAC. You, in the same mode, put all your bets on AIPAC which is foolish and just as ignorant as thoes who blame everythiong on AIPAC.  Iran can and should only be liberated by Iranians. No thanks to Israel, USA, Europe, AIPAC or any other entity.


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The novelty

by Kaveh Parsa on

has worn off.

You even have one of the resident IRI apologists promoting your blog in another thread. which should tell us everything we need to know about what you stand for.

tell me? which one of you is the Khar and which one is the magas?

If there was an ounce of Koroush's blood running in your veins then you wouldn't be advocating any foreign attack against your homeland. An attack by Israel will only help the mullahs.

nice try though.


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Mansours,

by Mardom Mazloom on

Do you at least speak Farsi? Do you know what the following means?

Shotor dar khab binad panbehdaneh,

Ghahi lof-lof khorad, ghah daneh daneh

If not that means: stop your wet dreams, there aren't good for your digestion.


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an honest Shahi

by kharmagas on

... you have my respect for honesty, but nothing else. Many Shahi and ... even people such as Kazemzadeh have similar views but hide it...... they keep denying and denying.........

 


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shameless traitor

by capt_ayhab on

hopefully the first bomb by Israeli or US planes will hit the home of your own family. 

 

-YT 


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Shame on you

by farokh2000 on

Your logic is flawed and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I hate the Mullahs as much as the next person but you are totally on a wrong track.