Jahanshah Javid

FYI/The Fall of the Roman Empire (youtube)

notice the reference to the Persian Hords in this clip :

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AVE JJ Meet you in the ARENA  ;0)

Rosie T. You mean His Holiness ;0)

Rosie Jan,

Give me Pound ( Or Touman)

Lock it down

Break the Pickle

And Tickle Tickle ...

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Its My Time to Shine ! ...

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What about the Love Guru, Kadivar?

You beat me out on the featured blogs with Monty Python last week so I very much prefer The Love Guru.

And here we find ourselves again, in the sanctum sanctorum.

Holiest of Holies.

:op

I agree and disagree with Q

- I agree with him that if same-sex marriage is OK, then it should be OK for a gay and a heterosexual to get married.  Kind of unusual but hey who are we to judge, plus there could be benefits, joint accounts for higher income, discounts, healthcare insurance, etc. What was that movie that Kevin James and other guy played in? Harry and Larry? They were 2 heterosexuals getting married as a "gay" couple for benefits.

- I disagree with him that marriage is not Govt's business.  Marriage is a contract first and foremost.  There must be laws protecting marriage and laws to answer contracts disputes.  Any benefit or dispute in a marriage should be addressed by the laws of that land.

I want to be a Woman: Monty Python

A practical solution for Khoshhalha:

See Video

Sorry Folks BUT Every Sperm is SACRED ! ;0)

Here is Why:

Monty Python in the Meaning of Life

LOL

Kadivar and others. Poppycock

Bi-sexuality is actually the highest percentage of the population. HOWEVER, it does not manifest itself in most societies.
As for homosexuals being "indebted" to the procreating heterosexuals, apart from the hogwash, it's going to be fun to see how people will react when IVF type programmes will become the norm.
First gigantic error is to think that sexuality's only drive is to procreate. It isn't. Evolution doesn't work that way and seriously is by far more complicated than that.

On adoption, most of the world's population breed like rats, encouraged by lunatic religions, and if anyone adopts, there are strict laws on suitability. Sometimes, I think wanna-be parents should be getting a license.
All children need, is security, love, eduation etc. and adopted children are less likely to be abused.
Custody of the adopted child is legally agreed on before adoption.

I can't believe that in this day and age this topic is still in contention.
If you've got problems with any of the above, please look it up for yourselves. I'm not going to waste any more time on this topic.

JJ's last question;

Dear JJ, you say:
"It's nobody's business who you love, have sex with or marry. Beh maa cheh? What's the harm to society? Absolutely none."

I totally agree with you that it is nobody's business at PERSONAL level, BUT, what should we consider homosexuality as at SOCIAL level? You say it's natural. I agree with you and it's been around since ancient times as far as we can tell; However, Naturally occuring phenomenon have causes, So are the exceptions in nature, so are anomalies. As far as I can understand, I consider this phenomena as an individual's anomaly that has becom a social dillema. The issue in this country is that "special groups" have "special priviledges" and I think to some extent these priviledges are most of the time taken advantage of. On the other hand, The "Specials groups" (which are usually minorities) are often prejudiced against. In a way, prejiduce causes the "special priviledge" to minorities.

The point is that, in general, this society tends to sacrifice and expends social values for individual priviledge (Liberty). I think this is the major issue I see in response to your rhetorical question. The fact that we INSTITUSIONALIZE an anomaly as a normal behavior. I think if 40% of people had this type of orientation, I would not call it anomaly but I would call it normal alternative!

By no means, my intention is not to prejudice against homosexuals - They are human and deserve to have equal rights as far as basic human rights are concerned, but I think that may not come at the expense of social/familial sacrifice. AND, the challenge to us is to find a happy medium that meet both ends! As far as marriage is concerned, it's building block of society and can not be treated as a tool to serve "special interest groups".

Peace;

At last homosexuality comes to help !!

For the first time ( for me ),I see a blog without ( some not all )poeple bashing ,attacking each other & just following the subject constructively!.This is a very good sign,but the funny part to me is that it should be the subject of " homosexuality " that made it possible.I really enjoyed the comments( pro or against) written by most of our friends,thanks to all of them.Most of all I thank JJ for bringing up the subject,although I donot agree with one or two of his points.

1-If we talk about Iran ( since JJ mentioned that sb is writing a constitution!!!!),the best scenario is that they don't persecute the homosexuals any more!.

2-I believe East has a totally different mentality about homosexuality based on thousands of years of different historical,cultural,religious ..... background from West.As everybody knows,the basis of Western culture is Ancient Greece & to some extent Rome.

3-In ancient Greece ,most of the aristocracy (Athough married) had boys/lovers who they would educate & train in arts & sciences of the time(not a Taboo).

4-As it was mentioned in one or two previous comments,this acceptance here in West didnot come easy at hand & has evolved during a long period of time ( donot forget that Oscar Wilde was jailed just for being GAY!! ).

5-Definetely some factors such as: seperation of State & religion,freedom of speech &....are responsible for this acceptance in western countries such as ; America,England,Germany and even in Isreal,which geographicaly & historically is not considered one.

6-Mostly in East,homosexuality is still considered a Sin/Taboo.See what happened when recently somebody wrote about Sadegh hedaayat being a homosexual !,even the poeple who hate his guts,said NO WAY !!.

7-The other example is " Xuweydodah" or "Ezdevaaj baa mahaarem",which was practiced in all ancient courts from Egypt,greece,Rome to Our dear Iran ( as you know to keep the pure blood among the royal families).There are texts in middle Persian/Pahlavi language about its existance,and you can read about it in the works of some Iranologists such as : Prof.Mary Boyce,Prof.Taffazoli,& others.I remember in Pahlavi language class of late Prof.Taffazoli,we read about it . When I asked him why nobody has heard about it?,he said : " this is a taboo that nobody,except the academic circle want to talk about it ".

8-I donot know how  religious poeple(Muslims,conservative/orthodox Jews & Christians,Bahais,......)let alone the governments, deal with homosexuality in future,even in a democratic society!?since we only see the gradual disappearance of this taboo to some exent ;only in countries that have mostly Christian population.

Hope that I didn't derail from the subject much!.

Best Wishes

wow & wow

Excellent question Mr. bajenaghe naghi.
Your inquiry will be forwarded to the specialist Mr. JJ.

I have a question

But before I ask my questions, I need to say that I don't care what people do in their bedrooms or on their living room coach.  But please don't do it in front me. If you do, I will get horny and you don't like to be around me when I get horny.

my question is can two male homo sexuals french kiss each other while doing it? (may be yes if they are gay giraffs). 

ghabel nadereh

You are welcome. I must say EDS, they certainly can not accuse you of not speaking your mind.

Solh va Doosti

Nadia

Thank you Nadia

For your exchanges with me. My last point is this:

What I have noticed in your statements is that you seem to view
homosexuality as a disease. Almost as some kinda curse on one's loved
ones.

Most deifnitely I believe sexual relations between same sex couples is bad behavior just as I believe incest is bad behavior. And I most definitely would not wish it for myself, my loved ones, and certainly encourage others to stay away from it, each to his or her capacity.

Now, if a couple wants to engage in it, it is not my business to coercively stick my nose where it does not belong to stop them.

However, when it comes to society's approval of marriage for same sex couples, it is absolutely my right to help shape it as previously explained.

Sorrysouri, Can't help it. I'm a very mixed up kid. And also

I'm not here as I explained below.  I'm just a figment of your imagination.

But I loooooooooove you from afar.....

(Oh god what a timarestaaan!)

:oP          LOL!

Bye, bye,
R,

There can be same sex couples, minus the sex!

It,s okay to be a couple without the sex or exchange of bodily fluids, like the " talabeh" in "Howzeh" who live as couples in "Hojreh" and only exchange Hadith..or some of the Christian pre priesthood monks who live as couples  in seminaries and browse the Thai boys porn sites together... uhhhhmmm ...come to think of it sex should be banned altogether for all sexes...why? ..Because I,m a single dad  & can,t find a good babysitter to go and get some lately... Me Jealous?...Yehhhhhhhhhh!! all you Sexed up infidels!!   ::))

Rosie;

What the heck with the Iranians here in this blog ? We are talking about the "Gays" in the whole world and in general.

Iranian's paranoia is another story, don't mix things, dear.

AroussHA bayad beraqsand!

n.zanincanadai

Marriage can be a beautiful thing, and there is no reason to deny gays of its great potential. I suppose it is like imposing a visa restriction to an unknown place. It may be a good place or a nasty one, but once you impose a restriction on a certain group they will want to know why, and will try to break down the boundary. 

In the end marriage can be a demonstration of love and commitment regardless of its history of abuse. If you have total equality between the sexes (yes, I can see the irony in this statement!), you will still have people who want to stay committed to each other voluntarily. Why deny them the right? What about free will?

Souri, Souri, the problem with GAYS is they're paranoid?

The problrm with IRANIANS is they're paranoid!!!!

Teeheehee

:oP

PS 2 blog writer if U deleted me be4 I'm sorry, thought it didn't go thru.  Delete me again, I'm used 2 it by now.

Thank you American Wife,

I read your response after I responded to Nadia’s. Thank you for your straight-forwardness. It must go with the Irish background as judged
by your catholic faith and that flag. How
is that for generalization!? But your
flag is incorrect. The colors are a bit
off and the correct position is for the green on top and red on the bottom. It looks better that way!

Thank you for sharing your personal experience. As I shared earlier I want to make clear that
I can answer personal questions on gays in my family only as a hypothetical. And that is never a replacement for real
experience.

Three point regarding the interracial marriage parallel. In case of interracial marriage, the couple
does not need the aid of society to acquire children (sperm, etc) to raise them.
They can have their own without and
despite the society. Second, if and when
the majority of society approve of homosexual marriage, after due discussion
and consultation, then such a society or community has every right to endorse
homosexual marriage. Such is currently
not the case. Not that I endorse popular
vote for all decisions. Most things
currently put to popular vote hardly need a uniform law for all, and each can choose
as he wishes, but this is something that requires the society’s endorsement by
definition. The entire point is about
society’s endorsement. Thank God that we
are blessed to live in the USA
that happens to have inherited the work of Thomas Jefferson, Franklin and
Madison as its constitution through some improbable events in history. It is highly unfortunate that current day
Americans are unappreciative of the good they have inherited and are not
vigilant for their responsibilities. I know
that approval of homosexual marriage will in the long-term be damaging for
whatever society or community that adopts it just as the very poor state of
family life has become immensely damaging to the US society in general. Third even with interracial marriage, something
that I do not have any objection to, if we were dealing with it today, I would
suggest the same gradual and most just path of moving towards obtaining society’s
approval for what is the society’s right, rather than unjustly shoving it
through people’s throat through inconsistent arguments and underhanded insults. It is better even for the party of
concern.

In all honesty...........

 EDS: "Instead I asked if truthfully you wish for your sons to be gay. Your response here indicates that you believe tolerance is right. But did you similarly teach or encourage your sons to be gay? Did you also suggest that, look that John is really handsome don't you want to take him out, just as you taught them tolerance?"

Truthfully my sons can be whatever they want to be gay or straight. I never expressed a desire to my sons as to whether they should be gay or not. I did not encourage them to be interested in males or females. I did not teach them to be gay or straight.  I neither encouraged them to play or not play with what society considers to be gender appropriate toys. If they wanted a stuff toy regardless of their color choice, I simply bought it for them. They were allowed to play kitchen like little girls are. 

I'm not sure that anything, I write will help you understand that I gave my sons the opportunity to decide for themselves to be gay or straight by allowing them to make their own choices.

 Do I know why some children are gay or not as adults? NO! Even Science does not completely understand this. They always come up with some new theory or evidence. It is an ever changing view.

EDS:  "reveal that in their heart of hearts they do not endorse homosexuality and wish otherwise for their loved ones. "

What I have noticed in your statements is that you seem to view homosexuality as a disease. Almost as some kinda curse on one's loved ones.

Now, I have done as much as I can to express my view on the matter. I must now move on and allow others to take their turn.

Solh va Doosti

Nadia

 I do wish you success with your child(ren). Yes, I did make many sacrifices for my sons.......what parent would not do so. :o)

The problem with the gay people....

Is their state of paranoia. The only thing that bother me really, is that most of the gay people are somehow paranoid. They think every thing happening around them, is because of their sexual tendency, as they think people in general, don't like them .

Couple of years ago, there was a serial movie at Show Case, named Queer as folk. I liked that series and were used to watch it, specially because of the good humour and also I wanted to know more about their lives. In one of the movie, there was a gay guy who has been fired, following the restructuring of his company. Being a good acounter who worked there for years, he was so surprised of the decision. He run to the COE and after a short talk, he said "I want you tell me the truth, am I fired because I'm gay ?"...The COE who seemed very busy with all those cores on his desk, shake his head and replied:  The problem with you guys is, you think the whole world is against you !

The gay guy then smiled with some acceptance showing in his face.

I, liked that scene, because this was happened to me too. In the past, it happened once to me, to want a lesbian departure form a group. That someone never forgave it to me, because she always thought her sexual preference was the origin of my decision...and this was absurd !

Depending of what and how are the circumstances, I may even defend their case. One of my best friend in Iran recently called to say that his daughter just changed sex. He was so desperate, his wife (the mother) was also in a stare of permanent depression. I tried to calm him and talk to the mother to convince them that there was nothing wrong with that. People have a right to choose their sex orientation. But I don't accept that homosexuality is all about hormones. There could be many other reason for that. I had a great gay friend, who told me actually how he became "gay". He was very poor when he was a child in Mexico. He had to do it as a job, on the street, with the tourists..etc to make money for his family. His father was an alcoholic and her mother had 7 children, who need food and clothes. My friend is now here in Canada, he lives with a priest !! and recently the priest resigned from the catholic church to be able to marry my friend. This was very sad for me when I first heard his story. He showed me some pictures of his family in Mexico. He said : You know sometimes I ask myself, what would be my life today, if I wasn't born in a so poor family, maybe I wouldn't became gay! He said he is happy now because the priest loves him so much while other men always used him without no sentiment for his feeling.

There are many kinds of gay/lesbian, and the origin of their choice is not always their hormones.

Unfortunately, some of them  feel guilty for it and then projects their feeling of guilt to the people whom they encounter as a regular base, at work or in other groups places.

The only problem I have with the gay people is this kind of "defensive" attitude they have toward people who don't even care about their sexual choice.

government should be out of the marriage business: gay or not

why does government even have a say in what marriage is? That is a religious function. Interestingly communist governments were also against gay marriage.

I don't agree with JJ in one respect: It doesn't matter what hormones someone is born with. If same-sex marriage is OK then you should be able to marry someone of your own gender even if you are a heterosexual.

Thank you for your further explanation.

I did and do understand your points. Now perhaps I should explain further.

I raised my sons as Christians but I taught them that God created us
all in his image and that he loves all his children. "WE ARE EQUAL IN
HIS SIGHT". That it is not up to us to pass judgement as to who goes to
heaven or not.

I agree; it is not up to me to condemn people to hell or send them to heaven. I neither can nor have the responsibility or right to. I am worried about my own neck. I would be absolutely delighted if I made it to heaven and would be wonderful to one day meet you there. In none of the discussions I have had here I have or meant to condemn gays to hell. I have responsibility for my own soul.

Allow me to explain further. I was brought up in a very strict
Christian and patriarchal household. I was taught as the Old Testament
or Torah, depending on the religion (Christianity or Judaism) that
being gay was unacceptable. Now, let us fast forward to my raising of
my sons. I taught them TOLERANCE. I taught them that people have a
right to their religious, political and mate selection views.

In fact, when we lived in the Austin area which their unofficial motto
"Keep Austin Weird" (they actually have bulletin boards with this
motto). One of my son's became friends with a lesbian. She in fact
became his best friend. We would give her a ride to her house every day
afterschool.

See by my question I was not asking or implying that you are teaching intolerance. Instead I asked if truthfully you wish for your sons to be gay. Your response here indicates that you believe tolerance is right. But did you similarly teach or encourage your sons to be gay? Did you also suggest that, look that John is really handsome don't you want to take him out, just as you taught them tolerance? I of course do not know the answer for each individual but for the huge majority including those who are for gay marriage the answer is so obvious that it hardly merits doubting. And the answer is no.

I of course asked this question of moushe and in general and do not mean to pick on you. It is just that you were kind enough to respond.

The reason I asked that question of him or her, has in fact nothing to do with gay marriage and what I have expressed here, a position and explanation that I am at peace with as consistent and just, it is instead a response to moushee and others here who with bravado are suggesting that all those who are against gay marraige must be hypocrites and duplicitous. I believe it is quite the opposite. Many of those who think those who are against gay marriage must be say one thing and do another; they philosophize with bravado to endorse homosexuality and gay marriage, but where the rubber meets the road, in what actually matters to them, reveal that in their heart of hearts they do not endorse homosexuality and wish otherwise for their loved ones.

Which part of the world are we talking about?

Which part of the world are we talking about?

Norway,(Passed the law for gay marriages today) or are we back to talking about Iran?
Or are we going to discuss Nigeria, Indonesia, Colombia... and Vatican City too?!!!
Sociial norms and taboos people... how long will it take to overcome these in other parts of the world? 3 years - 10 yrs, or 15??
It's not necessarily ALL religion either although it plays a major role.

lilililililililililililili Aroos bayaad beraghseh!

JJ,

Clearly you are a happy go lucky guy and I'm khoshal that you're khoshal for the khoshals. Shiny happy people holding hands!!

But I don't get gays.

- Fisrt of all, if you look at the history of marriage, you will see that it's associated with land and it's been a tool for enslaving women. Some even call it legalized prostitution. Why do gay people want to join such an oppressive institution to begin with?

- Secondly, why don't gays come up with their own concept of marriage and stop begging society to include them in traditional ceramonies that have rejected gays for centuries?

- Thirdly, do gays not see that they are just a tool for politicians? Why do they choose to put themselves in that position?

- Fourthly, most married people in America are trying to get the hell out of their marriages. What are gays thinking?

I have gay friends. I'm cool. I really am. They have never been able to convince me why gay marriage is a good thing for gays. If I were gay, I would reject it.

Most people who believe in equality don't have a problem with gays or gay marriage. But I think gays should be able to get rights without having to become married.

But if getting married makes gays gay, then I'm all for it. Lebaas bedoozim? I better get invited to at least one gay wedding.

I would like to refer the uninformed bigot who questioned gay history: Go pick up a history book before you say something to make yourself look like an idiot.

EDS

Thank you.  I wanted to clarify that before I responded.  Perhaps a better question would have been "how long have you lived in America?".  By your language, you're obviously very fluent in English, therefore I must conclude that you've been here for some time.  I take exception to your comments referring to the "the absolute majority of Americans".  I believe you to be incorrect.  I'm from the South where if there is going to be "absolute" prejudice against Gays... it's going to be there!  No one... not even myself born and raised American... can make such a statement as yours.  And certainly no one will make it on MY behalf. 

I have some personal experience/understanding of the Gay issues.  My brother is gay... the sister of my oldest friend is gay... I went to a girls school in a small college town in the South where gay lifestyles are common... my twin brother when to a military college (same).  I'm from a strict Catholic background of old-fashioned parents.  I share this so as to give you some idea of my background and how I might have formed my own personal feelings.

"Would you truthfully wish for your baby son or daughter to become gay? Or would you truthfully wish for a gay son or daughter, in case you do not have one?"

Everyone is going to want to dance around this question... and they have...lol.  But the answer, if anyone is going to be completely honest, is going to be "NO".  It has nothing to do with whether or not you're going to love your child or support him.  It  has nothing to do with "allowing" your child to make his/her own choices.  It's simply a fact that NO... a parent is NOT going to WISH their child is gay. It's ridiculous and I'm prepared to take on any one who says differently.  I don't WISH my child to be dyslexic, but he is and I love him and support.  NO parent wishes their child to have ANY stigmata.  It has nothing to do with love or support should they have one.

In response to another of your comments, I also disagree that gays don't have a right to force society to recognize marriage.  Why in the world not?  It's a fact that mixed marriages weren't recognized at one point in our sad history.  Thank God society was forced to recognize those... wouldn't you agree?

You've said nothing that could be construed as offensive... perhaps just a little outdated...:-)

EDS You are welcome.........

Allow me to explain further.  I was brought up in a very strict Christian and patriarchal household. I was taught as the Old Testament or Torah, depending on the religion (Christianity or Judaism) that being gay was unacceptable. Now, let us fast forward to my raising of my sons. I taught them TOLERANCE. I taught them that people have a right to their religious, political and mate selection views.

In fact, when we lived in the Austin area which their unofficial motto "Keep Austin Weird" (they actually have bulletin boards with this motto). One of my son's became friends with a lesbian. She in fact became his best friend. We would give her a ride to her house every day afterschool.

Now, my parents taught me intolerance towards gays but I chose another path. I still love my parents but I don't necessarily hold on to everything they taught me. I am still "straight" and so are my sons.

I raised my sons as Christians but I taught them that God created us all in his image and that he loves all his children. "WE ARE EQUAL IN HIS SIGHT". That it is not up to us to pass judgement as to who goes to heaven or not.

Solh va Doosti

Nadia

PS: I am not offended by your comment. After all, what either one of us believes will not change the path that the other  has chosen.

Yes.

I was born in Iran.

عشقبازي كردن

با جهانشاه خان (تاواريش جهانشاه سابق) موافقم، به كسي چه مربوطه من كي رديف كردم و كي رو نه...اين اخلاق بد فضولي كردن توي ما شمرونيها اصلن نيست، اين در و دهاتيهاي خشكه مقدس هستند كه اين كارهارو ميكنند.

خدا رو شكر كه در خارجه، ما از اين مشكلات عاري هستيم.

عشقبازي كردن بهترين كاره توي دنيا، خدا اين همه زن خوشگل رو پس براي چه افريده...

بريد حالتون ر و بكنين،جاي ما رو هم خالي كنين كه ثواب داره ...

EDS

"And I do not and in fact the absolute majority of Americans in this case do not either"

My first question is... are YOU American?