Letter to Mola, re: democracy, Israel and AIPAC lobbyists on IC

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Q
by Q
07-Aug-2010
 

This was from a different thread and I started writing it as a response, but I thought it would work better as a blog.

Dear Mola,

It's been my experience that whoever feels like going out of their way to do these three things:

1. Distance oneself from Israel, ala "I like most other Iranians do not know any israelis"

but of course the vast majority of anti-Iran Zionists and that section of Iranian Jewish community (whom I understand really well for reasons I can explain later) who has too much misplaced pride in Israel, may or may not call itself "Israeli."

2. Name themselves "OnlyIran", "IranFirst", "TruelyIran", "ReallyImeanItIcareAboutIran", "PleaseBelieveMeIdontCareAboutIsrael" and "Dont'botherMeI'mTouchingMyselfThinkingAboutIran", and generally act over the top on the patriotism angle.

3. Choose to butt in and defend people they do not seemingly know, if they are being accused of toeing the AIPAC line (about which there is no dispute, and even Fred has agree publically)

These people betray a sense of obligation to defend against any and all, even the slightest negative perception of Israel, and are truly part of the Lobby, whether they have membership cards or not.

Granted, some of them in their own mind are just trying to be "Fair", and many certainly don't like to think of themselves as Israel cheerleaders. But unfortunately through the enormous influence of pro-Israel institutions in North America as well as events from their family history, they can't help but see fundemental issues in foreign policy, like "justice", "fairness" and "equality", only through distorted lens of Zionism.

As far as why Israel is relevant, asking this question is perhaps the most important "tell" of all. Israel is the country most hostile to Iran and the country that is on daily basis threatening to attack it. Israelis support terrorist groups like the MEK. Israeli lobby in the US are the most vicious anti-Iran advocates, held back only by the potential public relations backlash if they call louder for an outright war: (remember, even George Bush and Dick Cheney claimed they didn't want war, and "Saddam is driving toward war")

It is an absolute fact that Iran's nuclear program, however sinister it is made out to be, is completely irrelevant to Iranian struggle for democracy, save perhaps a economic/resource management argument among many others that can be legitimately levelled against the Coup government. Iran could have 500 nuclear bombs and it will make absolutely no difference internally. It has been proven over and over again that the vast majority of Iranians, even the opposition, are in agreement about protecting Iran's nuclear rights.

This means that anybody who intentionally tries to conflate the two issues, i.e. tries to say:

Hey democracy activists! Help me stop the Mullahs from getting nukes.

Is not thinking about Iranian interests first and foremosts. He/She/That entitity is simply using any notion of democracy in order to advance the interests they really value which is primarily those of Israel, and secondarily those of the US and the West. What's truely and unforgivably sad, is that Israel isn't even threatened physically. It is only a perception of balance that Israel has identified as "danger", which is historically true of how it conducts foreign policy. In practical terms, if Iran is "permitted" (note the supremacist language) to retain "nuclear know-how", it only means Israel loses political face in the region, that is all.

Supporting sanctions against Iranian people, which are irresponsible and could easily lead to war if actually enforced, and which are nominally designed only to advance the West's nuclear agenda, and claiming this is for the sake of democracy for Iranians is sinister, manipulative and heartless. But this is how AIPAC operates.

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.... wasting your time insulting each other.

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Q, good luck in the future with issuing your Islamist "warnings", as in: ""Just a warning to you"; Don't test me, my friend, I'm serious!; It's meant to make you think."

Cheers  :-) 


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AIPAC sycophants and real AIPACis

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Q, very good and timely article indeed (where have you been laanati?). Anyhow, as you and I know, whether these guys are merely AIPAC sycophants (nokaraane bi gireh va mavaajebe AIPAC) or real AIPACis, I believe at the end of the day it is good that they are here. Sure,  many of them are 18 ayaar fascists (e.g., Amir Abdol AIPAC Ale Majnoon), but that is fine.


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Actually, Q, I've noticed

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Actually, Q, I've noticed that some of the more strident anti-Iran cheerleaders get so caught up, emotionally, that they sometimes find themselves toeing the AIPAC line merely out of blind hatred, and hatred alone. It's knee-jerking, plain and simple. 

But I have yet to see the same kind of Hasbara effort here at IC, I've seen elsewhere.

That said, I am curious as to who exactly posts the AIPAC/WINEP etc. related articles on the main page. They don't appear to be posted conventionally, by forum members.


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Amir, sadly I don't have the credentials for a fatwa

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and also, don't think your case quite rises to that level. But thanks for the thought.

Well, it's obvious you mistakenly feel threatened, even though I only quoted you the Bible. I suppose that is the Lord making you understand the point quite nicely! :)

Kers: It's good to see you yourself staying away from "arajif" that you accuse me of writing!


Fair

yes, it is clear

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how extreme your personal shortcomings are Q, and how hard it is for you to deal with them.  Your mechanism is quite simple- speak highly of yourself and how "knowledgeable" you are to feel better about yourself, and put others down.  Whereas you are nothing but an empty ignorant person full of himself.  To put it mildly, "it has happened before" with you indeed very much.

Of course it is noteworthy that you are the only one singing your own praises, perhaps you can show here how many people in the literary community share your high opinion of yourself as a "writer".

Keep dancing around, you still have adamantly refused to condemn the treatement of the Islamic Republic in Iran of the people of Iran when it comes to our basic rights, yet have no qualms about condemning so many other things.   Right now that is a shortcoming you are having much difficulty dealing with.  Happy Dancing!  Now go on, let's hear you say something even nicer about yourself.  You will feel better, there there:)

 


Khers

وواک جمهوری اسلامی هر چند وقتی‌

Khers


 تصمیم میگیره که تو اینترنت یک دوری بزنه، و یک کم لات بازی در بیاره.  اینها تو ایران که هستند هر چند وقتی‌ میریزند تو خیابونها و مثل جاهلهای قدیم با مردم بدبخت "آی‌ نفس کش" بازی میکنند، یقهٔ چند نفر رو برای نمیدونم "بد حجابی" یا "ضدّ انقلاب" بودن میگیرند.  آقای "کیو" این کار را در جنوب کالیفرنیا نمیتواند بکند.  حالا تازه هم از جمهوری اسلامی برگشته و دیده که همکارانش چه طور میتوانند که آنجا چماقداری بکنند. طفلکی خیلی‌ حسرت میخوره که نمی‌تونه مثل ایران یقهٔ یکی‌ رو تو خیابون بگیره و بندازه تو اوین.  به همین دلیل تلافیش را تو اینترنت در میاره.  اومده اینجا تو این سایت "آی‌ نفس کش" میگه و به این و اون بد و بیراه میگه، و میگه تو اسرایئلی هستی‌ بخاطر اینکه من میگم تو اسرایئلی هستی‌.  یک مشت دروغ و حرف الکی‌ هم میزنه و به مردم بد و بیراه میگه.  یعنی همون چیزی که اول گفتم: لات بازی جمهوری اسلامی.

 

آقای کیو: تنها خائن به ایران و ایرانی‌ شما هستی‌ و دستیارانت.  حالا هر چی‌ که میخواهی‌ اراجیف بنویس، دروغ بگو و به مردم بد و بیراه بگو.  اینجا دستت رو شده.

 

 


AMIR1973

Q jan

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Gee, thanks. Between your ""Just a warning to you"; Don't test me, my friend, I'm serious!; It's meant to make you think" and your love of the Gospel, this has been an eventful exchange. Usually Islamists issue a fatwa based on a Koranic passage before making their threats, but this may actually spell a change of sorts for you. Cheers and good luck with issuing threats in the future. 


Q

Amir jan, here's another warning

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It's actually Luke 6:31.
(Note that I'm specifically labeling this a warning to you)

enjoy!


AMIR1973

The Quintessential Islamist

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The Quintessential Islamist says: 

"It's a warning for the future. It means do onto others what you would like done to yourself. So, someday somebody may put out information about you that you didn't wish to make public. It's not a threat, a warning, just like yours.

what part of this is difficult for you to understand? Is it the hypocrisy that makes it hard to get?"

So a supporter of an anti-American terrorist regime who lives in America is accusing me of hypocrisy? Okay, whatever gets you through the night. Like I said before, I never issued a "warning"; you did -- and you've done so twice. What info did I "make public"? The fact that your name is Qumars Bolourchian? No. The fact that Sargord Pirouz writes under different names in various websites? He has posted near identical comments on IC and then on another website. It's not hard to connect two and two and see that it's the same guy. It's just making an observation that the same dude goes under different names and posts the same BS, and I'm calling him on it. If you don't like it, too bad, then ignore it. However, I do understand that IRI propagandists are accustomed to making threats; it's been the IRI way for 31 years. But in America, freedom of speech trumps those threats. Got it? Cheers  :-)


Q

dear Fair,

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we all have ways of dealing with personal shortcomings. Instead of acknowledging your mistake on the conception of "litmus test", you feel the need to attack me personally with something that "I have proven" (right!)

It's understandable as it has happened before.

Dr. X you're totally wrong, and jump the gun in this case. But I'm actually talking about the people on the Iranian diaspora conference thread. That's the context for the comments. You agree that finding those people and putting their picture up, and then saying what Amir said would be a threat to them don't you?


Fair

Q You have proven

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how fair you are about anything, and have stripped yourself of any credibility on this subject whatsoever.  The posts are there for all to see, no matter how much you dance around it.

I will take it as another arrogant statement from someone who thinks he is better than everybody, knows about logic but really knows nothing.

So much for "leaving it alone":)


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Jesus christ

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Q

Nothing can be put out about you or anyone, if the information is already common knowledge. The context in which such an act may create grounds for concern is precisely and only when there is absolutely nothing known about a particular person, Which is not true in your case, since, again, many here already KNOW who you are or at least what name is on your account that you are going by.

You disguised and embedded your THREAT in your warning.

 


Q

Dear Fair, if you are fair about anything

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you would start by drawing a logical delineation between a "litmus test" and "any argument". Otherwise your own words are meaningless. 2+2=4? is also a test, but doesn't make it a "limust test". The latter involves just one question, normally. Like "are you pro life or not".

Take it as free advice from someone who understands these basic logical things.


Fair

You do?

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You certainly hope "there are no litmus tests"- at least for yourself.  Yet look at your own blog:  you bring up 3 very specific criteria:

1. Distance oneself from Israel, ala "I like most other Iranians do not know any israelis"....

2. Name themselves "OnlyIran", ".... and generally act
over the top on the patriotism angle.

3. Choose to butt in and defend people they do not seemingly know, if
they are being accused of toeing the AIPAC line ...

And then you automatically induct them into AIPAC:

These people betray a sense of obligation to defend against any and
all, even the slightest negative perception of Israel, and are truly
part of the Lobby, weather they have membership cards or not.

 

Your holiness and eminence have somehow magically determined and judged that anybody falling under those 3 points is an AIPAC member?  That is your litmus test for being an AIPAC member then.  What arrogance.

Yet, despite this grand leap (or lapse!) of reasoning, you refuse adamantly and at all costs to simply condemn the behavior of the IR in Iran with respect to he rights of Iranian people, something well documented (and done by the man in your avatar I might add). What hypocrisy.

Yes, I certainly also hope there are no litmus tests required, especially if those  requiring them refuse to take one themself!

 

 

 


Q

It is a warning...

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It's a warning for the future. It means do onto others what you would like done to yourself. So, someday somebody may put out information about you that you didn't wish to make public. It's not a threat, a warning, just like yours.

what part of this is difficult for you to understand? Is it the hypocrisy that makes it hard to get?


AMIR1973

Q

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What the Quintessential Islamist said: "Just a warning to you"; Don't test me, my friend, I'm serious!; It's meant to make you think.        As far as what I said earlier about U.S residents having an all-expense paid trip to the IRI to attend a conference sponsored by the IRI, designated by the State Department as a state sponsor of terrorism, as being something that "may be a matter for American law enforcement authorities and these people of Iranian descent may want to take that into account" -- I stand behind what I wrote. Unlike like what you said, I never said it is a "warning"--you are the one who issued a "warning". And how is what I did "a matter for American law enforcement"? I don't believe it is. It doesn't change the fact that you are making threats against me. This is no laughing matter. Regards.


Fair

Feel sorry for yourself

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Delet baraye khodet besoozeh badbakht.  To nemeedoni aslan Irani yani chee, keh bekhahee harfe hoveyat ya sarzameene madari bezani.  To doshmane mardome Iran hastee, va tareekh neshan meedahad keh mardome ma bar to va amsale to ghalabeh khahand kard.

 

Irani meemirad

zellat nemipazirad

 


Q

I see what you mean by "litmus test",

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Fair, you're right. I certainly hope there is no "litmus test" involving "political orientation", "being religious", "answering/not answering leading questions", as well as "attending conferences in Tehran".

Thanks in advance for your fair treatment of this "litmus test" subject.

I agree, there shouldn't be a test. Any assertions should be backed by evidence, not simply name calling.


Fair

DoctorX, thexmaster

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Thank you, and I agree with you.  It speaks volumes and reeks of hypcrisy when someone gives him/herself the right to define and demand a "litmus test" for others, yet refuses to pass such a test for him/herself.

So much for "loyalties".

As far as I am concerned, this is iranian.com, I am Iranian, and my loyalties lie with Iran and our people.  In other words I have a country and follow no leader, supreme, pedophile, or otherwise.


Q

Amir,

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It's meant to make you think. This, is more of a threat actually, and a cowardly one:

Iranian background residing in the U.S. wish to attend future events sponsored by a regime on the State Department's list of states sponsoring terrorism, this may be a matter for American law enforcement authorities and these people of Iranian descent may want to take that into account.


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Mola Nassrolah

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NO. NO. And No. Satisfied ? Happy now?

Are you going to end this rediculous line of Questioning?

Are you going to follow Logic and try to work with others in finding solutions?

Are you going to at least try, to change the topic of your questions every now and then and stop Interrogating?

 

Would it take care of it? Ok. I am gonna save this and mention it to you from now on, every single time you bring this topic on again. You  Just watch bro. Let us see who is really Audacious here. And it is Litmus TEst, Litmus paper is A Friggin TOOL to perform a scientific test. The Tenancity!


thexmaster

Now that Mola and Kumar have exposed

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the pro-israeli crowd (some real, some imaginary) by using brilliant observations like the use of names such as I-heart-Iran, even though one of these alleged conspirators is simply named Fred, we can get back on track to try to understand why some of  these suppose Iranians here wholeheartedly support the rape, arrest, torture, humiliation and murder of their fellow Iranians.  I mean, to support the treatement of their own people just as the zionists treat palestinians does create questions of where their loyalty lies.  

 

Destractions such as this blog are pretty much an indication of where the fear lies with people like this self-proclaimed writer/photographer.  It's not with zionists or neocons.   It's with Iranians who want to see Iranians in Iran have the same freedoms they enjoy here.  This is in contrast to the Iranians who use their freedom to help support the IRI's aggression against any indication of such freedom. It's in contrast to the Iranians who support aggression against journalism, yet still call themselves 'writers'.    What a charade.

I hope this Kumar, Pirouz, No fear get their invitation next year so we can get a great look at what charlatans look like.  When the IRI crumbles just like the poorly maintained takhte jamsheed, we'll know where the money was wasted.


Sargord Pirouz

Yeah, the truth hurts, don't

by Sargord Pirouz on

Yeah, the truth hurts, don't it, Amir.

Sometimes I actually feel sorry for folks like you. It can't be easy being so maladjusted.

Day in, day out, spewing hate against the land of your origin. I can only imagine it's a very unpleasant state of mind.

But I don't think you're an agent of anything, either. You don't provide any sense of coherent advocacy. And you're overly emotional, relying on name calling and the like. Like Fred, you lack any real expertise to command a premium as some kind of agent. 

Instead, it's always the same with you, trapped in a world where you don't really belong, from another world you also do not belong. And by your writings here at IC, it's plainly obvious for everyone to see you're a hopelessly miserable human being.


Onlyiran

Are you blind, illiterate or both?

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NO!!!!!!!  I do NOT.  In fact, I have written my congressman AND one of my state's senators about it and pretty much wrote what I wrote in the comment below as the reasons for my opposition.  Have you done so? 

 


AMIR1973

A Quintessential Islamist

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Amir jan, Just a warning to you: I know you like to play STASI with over-mentioning people's real names, but just know that you are also vulnerable to the same offensive, given my considerable Zionist/Islamist intelligence connections. Don't test me, my friend, I'm serious!

If this is mean to be comedic, then it is lame and not funny. If it is meant to be a threat against me, then Q should explain why he is threatening me? 


Mola Nasredeen

Only I Ran,

by Mola Nasredeen on

So you don't support resolution that supports Israel's attack against Iran? Is that what you say?

And good night.


Onlyiran

Abu Mola - Just so that you don't come back and bore us

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with your boring accusations and name calling: No, I don't (and from reading his comments in the past, I don't believe Dr. X does either) support sanctions or war against Iran.  As I have said many times before on this site (perhaps when you were engaged in one of your many hallucinations and did not notice) I think that the talk of war and the imposed sanctions only strengthen the hands of the most radical elements of the IRI, gives them the opportunity to accumulate more wealth and provides an opportunity for them to further oppress the Iranian people.  In fact, I think that an attack on Iran will be the best outcome for the IRI and will give it the tools that it needs--in its moment of desperation--to further eliminate the opposition.

Happy?  Now go call your ammeh.  


Q

OnlyIran,

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Yes, you got me!
You are too brilliant for me! All by yourself, you managed to avoid your own record and use my own arguments to ccndemn me. What can I say? Check Mate, brother!

Of course I could be Zionist agent trying to gain the poor Muslims' trust! Don't discount that!

Sargord: I think you're right. I don't see any of them getting past the first level IQ test.

Amir jan, Just a warning to you: I know you like to play STASI with over-mentioning people's real names, but just know that you are also vulnerable to the same offensive, given my considerable Zionist/Islamist intelligence connections. Don't test me, my friend, I'm serious!