Foreigners plotting against Iran?!

We have been unable to adopt Western values that have been far more superior


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Foreigners plotting against Iran?!
by Ben Madadi
19-Sep-2007
 

There is absolutely nothing special about being an Iranian, no matter what kind of an Iranian you are. This is what I believe. I have recently, many times, mentioned my Iranian background, but I have never felt that my background is different, or any better, than other Iranians' backgrounds. Iranians are of mixed backgrounds, they speak different languages and have different cultures and customs. It is quite a different country from this aspect. It is a very diverse country, unlike most other countries in the West where the vast majority of people speak the same language.

My pointing to my difference to the Iranians majority (half of the population who are Fars, or Persians) had mostly to do with a simple fact, and nothing more. I have got used to freedom of expression, without taboos and prejudices, in the West. This doesn't mean I believe that there are Iranians who are better than others. It is indeed bothersome, not just to me, but to most other Iranian minority members, to see that their own identities are not acknowledged and respected.

This is beside the point that Iranian non-Persian provinces have been systematically discriminated against by the Pahlavi, and later the Islamic, governments, from many points of view, first of all investments. Non-Persian provinces (most notably, Kurdish, Arabic, Turkic, and Baluchi populated) have been left outside most development projects, and as a result many of the inhabitants of these areas often moved to Persian areas of Iran. This is clearly obvious from old and new statistics, for example mostly Azerbaijani populated areas of Iran comprised of some 1/4 of Iran's population some 80 years ago or so, while they hold around 1/6 of Iran's population now.

In turn Azerbaijanis have become numerous as minorities in Persian cities. This is nothing to hide, and there is no fantasy in it. The same is true about other minority groups, and probably is worse for Kurds and Arabs, who have historically been least integrated within the Iranian society.
Does the above realities mean that mentioning them is dangerous? Is mentioning these issues bad? I would like to know why so many Iranians of the diaspora are so angry about mentioning such issues. Some of them actually believe that no person on his right mind would say anything like this unless he is paid by some foreign powers. This has for so long been an Iranian obsession. That foreigners of various types are out there to get them.

Why would some foreign power pay me for writing such stuff? I am not even sure about the quality of my writings. I am actually pretty sure they are not as good as they could be in case I were a professional writer, which I am not. And I am sure they are not great. I don't like them much. What makes me write is exactly the same urge that makes other normal Iranians write, and that is conscience.

Iranian history books are full of loathings against the British, the Russians, or the Americans for their interferences in Iran. During the Pahlavi regime it was also very fashionable to blame invading Arabs or Turks for Iran's problems or backwardness. This last part has largely been removed from Iranian textbooks but the Russian, British, and American part has intensified, with some anti-Israeli rhetoric being added to it.

India was colonised by Britain for a very long time. As a result India is a democracy. I sincerely believe that the reason India is a democracy is because it was colonised by Britain. So, colonisation has not been that bad for India. If you ask me, I wish America comes today and colonise Iran, change it into an American state actually, and deprive me of my desire to have Azerbaijanis and other minority groups given special rights that they are entitled to (as I believe). I would be happiest. God forbid, this doesn't mean anything but a hypothetical fantasy, because in reality nothing but war would come out of it.

So, what is all this nationalism about? Why are we fearful of foreigners anyway? What have we got that foreigners want to take away? Is it our oil? All Western states BUY oil from the Middle East. They don't take it away by force. They buy it at market price. Is it our culture? What culture my Iranian brothers and sisters? Do we have culture? I didn't see much of a culture in Iran and I was mostly living in Azerbaijan of Iran (so you cannot blame me of being anti-Fars, which I have never been).

Whenever I go back to Iran I still don't see culture. What culture is that where you cannot trust almost anybody. They all act on your behind. Iranians love being dishonest. They brag about it. Iranians proudly talk about how they stole this and that, did this and that to another Iranian. And they do all this indiscriminately, whether the counterpart is a Fars, a Turks, or anything else. After having fooled or defrauded another Iranian, the Iranian Turk may say that he was dealing with an "annamaz Fars" and the Fars after having done the same thing may say that his counterpart was a "Torke khar".

But that is irrelevant. They do all their dishonest and indecent acts indiscriminately. How many times have you heard Americans act and talk like this? Not often. Honesty is a Western virtue, while trust is an immense Western value.
So, what is all this obsession about Iran, Iranian culture, and protecting Iran against foreigners? When I write about the root causes of these problems Iranians get angry. When I write about the problems themselves, they get angry. Some of them actually agree with me but I know they are in the minority.

One of the root causes of Iranian backwardness is actually the simple belief of belonging to a superior race (Aryan race), and this has been what I have often talked about, and as a result insulted so many times.
Being an Iranian definitely isn't about anything great. It is just a fact. It is an undeniable fact we need to live with. Another of the root causes of Iranians' problems is not Islam, but the belief that it is Islam.

But this belief is not shared by the majority of Iranians, but by the majority of the Iranian diaspora, who have unfortunately evolved less than they could (I guess). What was Iran before Islam that it couldn't be after? Let's not forget that almost all cultural and scientific works that are out there, left to us today, from Iranians, have been achieved AFTER Islam. Most of them have been written in Arabic. Are we sure that there were many such works before Islam? I need proof. I haven't seen much proof.

But one thing is clear, science evolved best under Arab Muslim patronage and it was written in Arabic by Arabs or non-Arabs, while literature evolved best under Turk Muslim patronage and it was written in Farsi by Persians or non-Persians. So, Muslims have done a lot of good. They did fall drastically behind the West ever since industrialisation, but that does not mean Islam brought misery to Iran and other places. That is simply running from realities.

I am not a religious person myself. I never go to mosque. I never pray or fest. These are personal issues. So, I hope I don't get, again, accused of being paid by the Iranian Islamic regime. (how funny, I have been able to get paid by Israel, America, and also the IRI... wouldn't be so bad if it was true).
Does Iran's "glorious" history mean anything? Is that worthy of being protected against foreign plotters?

If it was up to me to decide I would have erased all mentions about Iran's long history for a couple of hundreds of years in which Iranians would learn to live honest lives and work hard and build a modern society, believing that they are backward and relatively naive in their belief that they are different. But this can be nothing but a joke.
This is not Iran-bashing. This is a reality. I wouldn't want anything bad for Iran, from my point of view, simply because I have my relatives there.

But we must first face realities before being able to move forward and improve things. I don't know exactly which ones are most important or most urgent to address, but addressing them we should. We have blamed others for too long for the short-comings of Iran. And believing that Iranian or Persian culture, history, or alike are anything great to talk about, I would prefer talking about Iran's present-day realities.

And that is because we are the way we are, intolerant, accusing, and not least, backward. This is not about each individual, but about the whole community. We have been unable to adopt Western values that have been far more superior. Instead of accepting freedom of expression, the Iranian diaspora, running away from their own short-comings, prefers to talk about how terrible Xerxes was shown in the movie 300. I'm sure he didn't look much better than the guy who was shown in the film. Beside all the strange jewelry, he was actually a pretty good-looking guy.


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Aghaye BEN, Vaghti migi

by Aryan- Eran (not verified) on

Aghaye BEN,
Vaghti migi tarikhe iran aslan ghabele eftekhar nist pas Koroushe bozorg ke in hame yahoodi barde ro azad kard ham shamele unne ? shomaha ke ham isral ro darin va usa ghamet cheeye meekhay taareekh avaz koni ? har kari koni aryan aryan hast baayaz az ketabe zartoosht shoro koni age bekhay avazesh koni. he, adame kheeyaalaaty


Ben Madadi

Nice comments

by Ben Madadi on

Not everybody disagrees with what I write, but the majority do, and that's democracy, right? One folk said that India isn't doing well. Do you know India having oil? Compare India, that doesn't have oil, to Afghanistan, which doesn't have oil either, not to Iran, which does have oil, gas etc! India is doing faaaaaaaaaaaaar better than Afghanistan. That is a correct comparison. If Iran didn't have oil it could have been similar to Afghanistan, though Afghanistan has had a worse fate by all the long-standing wars. I am starting to get used being called an Israeli, though I have written some times against the Israeli state. That is funny, right?!


theconstitutionalist

get the hell outa here!

by theconstitutionalist on

 

don't nice Christian Armenian victims do the same thing when they proudly kill Turkish diplomats? were you idiots not gleaming with pride when your Russian puppet government turned the soviet killing machine on innocent Azerbaijani civilians? a country that didn't even have a standing army to defend itself.

did you forget about ASALA?

you might be able to fool the brain dead Iranians in LA, but your bull crap is not getting by most of us.

there are crazy morons on both sides and your ignorance puts you in the same category.

Greater Armenia? what are you gonna do? ethnically cleanse 90 million turks, Kurds, Jews, Talysh and Arabs from their lands?

You better learn to get along with your neighbors, because 90 million people could easily gobble up the 3 million Armenians left in Armenia. Its unfortunate that Armenia has been turned into a satellite Russian state in the Caucasus. Its obvious that Moscow still has total control over Yerevan's economy, military and other institutions.

Russian hegemony in the Caucasus, Caspian and Central Asia is over and the Karabagh war was incited to keep Armenia and Azerbaijan from reaping the economic benefits of Caspian/Khazzar sea resources. Originally, the Baku-Tiblisi-Ceyhan pipline would have gone through Karabagh. Thanks to the war, Armenia was excluded from reaping millions annually in oil revenues, which has kept it economically desperate, under Moscow's thumb and heavily dependent on foreign aid and black market goods. Russia's last ditch attempt at keeping all the Caspian/Khazzar resources for its selfish new Czars has failed miserably.

nationalists like you are emotional bitches, unable to think outside of the little ethnic box you've created for yourself. Try selling your box to someone else.


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In ham nemooneyeh farhang

by Anonymous2 (not verified) on

In ham nemooneyeh farhang pan-turkisti (farhang zed-e Parsi, zed-e- Armani, Zed-e Kurd keh pan-turkisthaayeh shoroor tarvijash mikonand)
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YOUTUBE VIDEO CLEARLY PROVES THAT TURKEY IS DANGEROUS AND HATE-FILLED STATE

PanARMENIAN.Net
19.09.2007 14:21 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ A highly popular online Turkish video, posted on the
video sharing service YouTube last week, praising the assassination
of Turkish Armenian journalist Hrant Dink, illustrates the type
of dangerous and hate-filled environment that Patriarch Mutafyan
will return to after his orchestrated visit to the United States,
the Armenian National Committee of America said. The video, which was
originally taken down from YouTube but which has resurfaced in a number
of different forms and has been viewed by hundreds of thousands in
Turkey, depicts images of the Dink's killing with a lyric refrain, "If
a person betrays the country, he is finished off." It goes on to show
"patriotic" photos of confessed assassin Ogan Samast glorified in front
of the Turkish flag. Video lyrics also include the chilling warning:
"The only good Armenian or Kurd is a dead Armenian or Kurd." Similar
video of Turkish police proudly posing with Samast shortly following
his January incarceration for the murder was leaked to Turkish press
and made headlines worldwide.

Turkish Armenian newspaper editor Hrant Dink was gunned down in broad
daylight on January 19th in front of his Istanbul Agos newspaper
office. Dink had been prosecuted multiple times under Turkey's
repressive "Article 301" laws, which criminalize reference to the
Armenian Genocide for "insulting Turkishness." Since his murder,
Turkey's writers and historians, including Nobel Laureate Orhan Pamuk,
Taner Akcam and Elif Shafak who have spoken honestly about this crime
against humanity, have been the target of death threats.


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har chi aberu ma dashti to bordi

by torke bigheirat (not verified) on

har chi aberu ma dashti to bordi, jenabe madadi.

miduneh ghase khubi dari vali bishtar bayad fekr koni ruye baset chon keh kheyli zaife.

YANI CHI AGE AMRIKA BIYAD IMPERIALISM EDAME BEDE BARAYE IRAN "BEHTAR"EH?? CHICH BEHTAR? KODUM MARKET PRICE?! KHODESHUN TAYIN MIKONAN GHEYMAT RAA! CHERAA ENGHADR SADE O BA DIDGAHE BASTE NIGAH MIKONI BEH MASAYEL??

fada,

torke bagheirat


gol-dust

ben the f...ing israeli agent

by gol-dust on

Just shut up you zionist ass hole! i know israel is all over iranian web sites! You f...ing MOSAD pretending you are an azari trying to destroy us from within! Dream on you ass! you should be banned from this site! this is for iranians not the damn israeli or israeli NOCHEHs! Dream on since we'll fight till the last drop of our blood for iran, no matter where we live! You drop a bomb or encourage others to do, you will be fucked so badly that you wont live to see it!


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What a record!

by NorCal (not verified) on

17 comments at the time of the writing of this one and not a single agreement, complement or positive response etc. Every single one is a disagreement. This must be a record Ben. Keep up the good work!

No wonder you claim you don't get paid by IR or Israel or the US. I believe you. Who in their right mind would ever pay for such crap.


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You Are Not Iranian

by Daryush (not verified) on

As we Iranians say Ben (hur) baalaa beri paayeen biyaay eeruni nisti to. You are not Iranian no matter how many times you publish your crab in the Iranian.com. I believe that you are Zionist since you talk like them and I can smell your damn Israeli Olive color shit from far. Let me tell you something, Unlike the region that you are used to, we Iranians have been in the middle east for a long time and if we didn't free you then you would be vanished by now. So write as much as you want and nag about (IRAN) as much as you cab, but Israel can not do a damn thing and will be gone soon before you are as old as me. So stay here in the US dude. I have a better idea. why not give the northern Israel to Iran since they are all discriminated and need to be liberated. and Hizbullah will take care of the rest


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Mr. Medadi where should I start

by Abarmard on

I am not sure how to answer you. Man, where to start? You have a point about discrimination in Iran but rest of your ideas are just not well thought of. I just don't have the patience to sit here write to you to teach you the thought process...But I wish I could, you do need help.


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Western influence and

by mehdi (not verified) on

Western influence and colonization are based on hegemony. The West thinks its superior to the rest of the world. Maybe they are right in terms of wealth and world domination but I personally would not trade in my Iranian heritage for that of any other country. Colonization is just an excuse to steal the resources of a country. I think Ben needs to look at it from the other perspective; its not that colonization helped the colonies like India, but that it really helped imperial powers like the UK to boost their economies on the backs of Indians etc. Every country has its problems, hell schools in the US were only desegregated 30-40 years ago. Give me a break with this crap that the West is so much better in every way. It just has all the wealth and is going after more as we speak.


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Mr. Ben Medadi's Loyalties Are With Israel

by Neo Coneliminator (not verified) on

Dear Dually Loyal Ben,
Stop pretending you are an Iranian. The little games that the gentleman's forefathers played with the help of Russian Empire and British Crown in order to destabilize Iran under the reign of Ghajar and Pahlavi have post-hoc been exposed.
In the age of Internet, Alas for you and your Israeli friends, this time around your little treachery is pre-emptively combated.
Your sword will be broken as it was in the 19 Century Europe. Keep up the hate mongering and the war profiteering. Continue the lust for other peoples' children’s blood. As day follows night, as Joseph crawled out of the well and became the prince of Egypt, as Moses smashed the Golden Calf and led his people to light, as the Second Temple was raised to the ground after the rejection of Jesus, Palestine, Iraq as well as the United States will be liberated from the Neo-Conservascist grip.


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"They all act on your behind"

by Anonymous968678546745634645 (not verified) on

I figured out Ben's problem... 8 or 9 paragraphs down, he complains that "They [Iranis] all act on your behind". Maybe his behind has been 'acted upon' one too many times...

Ok, that was immature, but I couldn't resist. And anyway, this nonsensical writing doesn't deserve any real responses. It does enough damage to itself, without anybody having to point out all the fallacies.

Classic case of 'stirring the pot' and trying to create drama and/or division.


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Disagree

by Iranian Kurd (not verified) on

Eventhough I disagree with the article that Western values is far more superior than Iranian values, to some extent I think some of the context in the article is true.like It is true that the more underdeveloped area in Iran is mostley where the minority lives and this cause division within the society, and might even go even further within some groups (Separatism). Am neither Pahlavi fan or Islamic fascist fan. A FEDERAL IRAN will solve everything in future ;)


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I still won't trade iran for a dozen indias...

by Mostajabi (not verified) on

Wow! And how good is your india today? I suggest that you make a visit to both iran and india, then say which you prefer. Make sure that you see the extent of poverty and their roots (in both countries). Ask the 1 billion indians who live on essentially nothing what colonization meant to them.


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I guess if you can't publish

by Irooni (not verified) on

I guess if you can't publish your diatribes and hyperboles anywhere else, there is always this website. Iranian.com has become the epitome of intellectual bankruptcy with clowns like this guy getting published left, right and center.

On the other hand, he may not be your garden variety failed journalist/analyst wanna be. He may indeed by a Hasbara Cyberwarrior on Israeli payroll trying to make Iran and all things Iranian look bad. Not that this would stop Iranian.com from publishing him.

//www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle...


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A problem with the comment system

by Anonymous (problem) (not verified) on

It is possible to make multiple accounts pretending to be several people and comment several times with different usernames. This is a technical problem that needs to be resolved.


alimostofi

that's ok

by alimostofi on

for him to say all that, and people who disagree with him will respond. It is happening all across the web. It is all good for dialogue. One cannot take anything for granted anymore, especially Nationalism. Nothing is sacred here.

 

Ali Mostofi

alimostofi.com


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This person by the used name

by The truth (not verified) on

This person by the used name of Ben Madadi is trying to create racist and ethnic hatred and divisions Iranians (right in line with those who hate Iranians and Iran, or those who want to weaken Iran's social fabric). He doesn't care for Iranians at all, he's just trying to spread propoganda of hate and division among Iranians. And he's given the room on the front page of Iranian .com to write all his racist b.s. on a regular basis.


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What makes you Iranian? Here is the answer

by Ali Mostofi (not verified) on

Your article reminds me of a teacher my dad paid to come over at my boarding school every Wednesday, and teach me Persian, so that I would not forget my mother tongue.


I once asked him, "what is it that attracts you to Iran", and he told me that it had the best poetry in the world", but he was also interested in Cuneiform. I asked him why he trotted all the way from the other side of UK to come and sit with such a lazy brat who was more interested in Top of the Pops. He told me that, no matter what he had done, (he was a Professor and taught Cuneiform for 40 odd years) that he loved my accent and feeling towards my own culture.


So folks it is that feeling that one has towards ones culture that makes you what you are. Sure I felt the same when my teacher spoke of his culture. But when he spoke of the ancient digs he did, and the richness of ancient Iran, I felt that it really meant something to the world, even if it did not mean anything to your average Iranian.


Iranologists are people who love and study Iran. Iran has so much history and culture that make up the roots of human civilization, that there are wold bodies and institutions created to dwell into it, even if we Iranians don't.


Being an Iranian means you like certain things that do not exist elsewhere. It could be the fact that you like to identify with the unique feelings of eating "Ghormehsabzi", or the feelings you get when you read, "Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds".


These feelings are deep inside you, and they cannot be taken away by foreigners, no matter how much they plot against you. You know that your sense of morality is what "The West" stole from Iran. So we do not need to be like them. In fact it is them that need to be more like us.


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Ethnocentrist Rant

by Vahraz Yazdanmehr (not verified) on

Ben,

As I have pointed out to you before, you are an ethnocentrist who sees the world through a racist paradigm. This time you have gone off the deep end! While I strongly believe in a free exchange of ideas within the Iranian community, I think that there is really no room for people like you in 21st century Iran. I have a suggestion, though; perhaps instead of writing this gibberish, you can invest your time in inventing a time machine and then transport yourself to 1933 Germany, where you can join the NAZI party. There, you can discuss the great Azeri culture. I am sure that you will find a sympathetic ear there that will be interested in your racist rant. It will also have the added benefit to us of not having to see your ridiculous nonsense on the pages of Iranian.com.


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Ben's views

by Farokh (not verified) on

I have no idea why this Ben person keeps writing his views here and we have to read and get mad at him.
Obviously he has no clue, education, or common sense about the current World affairs.
I think it is pretty sad when you don't recognize your capabilities and keep sharing your garbage/trash/rubbish ideas with the entire community.
Wishing you best of luck in your dark life.
Farokh


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Round Table

by Mew (not verified) on

Ben,
You have raised a large number of very interesting issues simultaneously. This demands a round-table, or even better, a seminar like full day discussion and panel interviews, accompanied with coffee and lunch breaks :)
It is very difficult to debate these issues, even in the absense of anger, here.
And Ah,
recently, I heard that one of my friend's father, who has served Pahlavis at high ranks and now lives in Georgia, puts on his full military uniform every morning, and salutes in front of a picture from Shah!! I hope he does not read your article.


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Your article is full of

by Anonymous1234567890 (not verified) on

Your article is full of assumptions and misinformation. if u believe that western values are superior than you r a racist dick head.

"One of the root causes of Iranian backwardness is actually the simple belief of belonging to a superior race (Aryan race)" MARTIKE OLAGH you are saying the same thing about western culture by saying it is superior to Iranian culture. Sure, you don't refer to race but essentially it's the same racist crap.

Until we learn to love ourselves, THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY, we can't have constructive criticism and we won't move forward. And stop comparing cultures.


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Not based on reality

by Sasha (not verified) on

Madadi, why don't you just say Mexico is better because it was colonized by Spain and France. Honestly, I do not think so. Many of the Indogenous tribes were wiped out of the face of the earth and many languages were lost.

I do not believe that the solution is the Americans colonizing Iran. I do agree with you, in that Islam is not the problem with Iran. It is the goverment that is the problem which is using religion to justify there decisions. The focus on the real issues is not being addressed because they are too busy focusing on things that should be left to religion.


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