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The discussion about the nuclear program of the IRI regime has been going on among the Iranians of the diaspora, and those within Iran of course, while the attention has often been on some issues while ignoring some other very important issues completely. Iranians have usually been saying that having access to nuclear energy and technology is an undeniable and important right of the Iranian people and no-one ought to deny it to us, Iranians.
And most Iranians, an overwhelming majority of them inside Iran and probably a majority of them outside Iran (don't know this one for sure), have been attacking the US administration for not letting the Iranian regime develop its "peaceful" nuclear activities.
I am not in favour of the Iranian regime and its policies. The Iranian regime has no respect for human rights. The Iranian regime gets involved in International affairs that have no benefit for the Iranian people, like arming and financing groups in Lebanon and Palestine, and even getting involved in other places around Iran, and of course everybody knows about Iraq. None of these foreign adventures bring any benefit to Iranians, to ordinary Iranians, and of course they do harm the image of Iran abroad.
The Iranian regime has no respect for the human rights of its own people, murdering political dissidents, persecuting religious minority groups, hanging people for crimes they committed, or not, when they were under 18, and hanging people for their ideological beliefs or even natural differences such as the case of homosexuals.
This is the Iranian regime. Iranians fear the regime. It is almost like an ocean where Iranians hang on to their boats, bowing to the ocean, and begging God for the mercy of the ocean, so it does not get too tumultuous where their own boats are located on the moving dangerous waters. This is the regime that has no respect for Iranians and non-Iranians inside or outside Iran. This is the regime that wants nuclear technology, and the US and the International community ACCEPT it.
It is not the nuclear technology that the US, or the EU, and the International community, fear most (though they do fear the regime no matter what), but it is those bits and pieces of this technology that are solely used for developing weapons, such as the uranium enrichment part of it. And the Iranian regime wants to develop technology that it can at any time desire to turn into a weapons technology with ease. An Iran capable of developing an atomic bomb is not much less dangerous than an Iran already owning an atomic bomb.
And Iranians, and many of the same Iranians who actually hate and fear, the Iranian regime, are shouting at the US and its allies for being such hypocrites they do not want poor little Akhoundi regime of Iran to have some bombs or the technology to develop them on its own? Yes, the world is not perfect, but these democratic Western countries are trying to protect the interests of their own citizens, unlike the Iranian regime, which by fooling its citizens and portraying itself as the victim, is trying to do nothing but to pursue its non-humane and non-democratic ideological aims inside Iran and outside of it, with the cost of sacrificing its own people's present and future.
While the Iranian people are suffering from inflation, unemployment, an enormous problem with drug addiction among the youth, rampant criminality, and prostitution on a vast scale (even with all the public hangings), the Iranian fundamentalist regime is doing what to combat all these problems? Nothing much. This nuclear debate has shifted the attention of the Iranians, inside and outside Iran, from the real issues that are affecting the lives of ordinary Iranians to an area where the only winner is no other but the same cruel and undemocratic regime.
And let's just look at the realities of this so-much-talked-about nuclear technology and see what it is good for! First of all, the problem for Iranians today is not electricity. Iran has no problem with electricity ath this moment. Iran has serious problems with unemployment and inflation on a material basis, and human rights on a more moral basis. But, putting aside these more urgent problems, we can also think about a future Iran without oil, as the Iranian regime does, and see whether nuclear energy will save Iran then!
When Iran runs out of oil it will have lost its most lethal weapon for intimidation against the West and democratic and free countries of the world it stands against, ideologically. And that will be when a nuclear bomb will be really handy. But will this nuclear technology be also useful for ordinary Iranians? Will it make up for the oil revenue? No. It won't. It will make either no difference at all, or its impact will hardly be felt economically, but it may bring serious trouble from an environmental point of view.
Iran will never be able to sell anything obtained from its nuclear installations. The electricity that will be produced, at some costs, will only be able to serve the country. Iran's nuclear installations will never match those of the US, the EU, or other powerful countries.
Iran's technology is old and mostly out-dated. They will not be able to compete with modern technologies, especially knowing that technology advances with a very rapid pace and Iranian technologies of today are far older than their rival ones in the West at this moment and they will fare much worse in the future when these Western technologies will be even more advanced.
The costs of maintaining these nuclear installations will be high, and a dysfunctional economy will hardly manage to keep them running in good conditions, to avoid huge economic losses, and also to avoid huge environmental threats that such dangerous technology always carries.
Time may also come that an un-reformed economic system would be unable to sustain the continuous functionality of the nuclear installations and they would be forced to be shut down, and importing electricity would be considered much cheaper rather than to be produced by the out-dated nuclear installations. And the current economic system of Iran is not a functional one, which without the constant infusion of US dollars obtained from selling crude oil, would immediately collapse, leading to even higher inflation and almost complete economic failure of the entire country, leaving Iranians without the most basic necessities of life. And who will subsidise the nuclear installation when there will be no money? Well, the regime can always take away what is left to the poor ordinary Iranians and feed a technology, a fearsome technology, that may be its only chance of survival in an ideologically opposed world.
So, let's not be fooled by the IRI regime and try to focus on the real issues and problems of Iran and Iranians! Iran does not need, and will not need nuclear technology, unless there are some serious reforms that improve the economy first and eventually also improve the human rights conditions for Iranians. A reformed Iran would prosper without any need for Russian and North Korean nuclear installations, but with the work and entrepreneurship of the hard-working and smart Iranians, especially before oil is gone.
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Mehdi.......it is true.........
by Sasha on Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:07 AM PSTIt is true that anyone can manipulate data to their own benefit. Just take a look at George W. Bush. I think that says it all. :o)
solh
My apologies to those who read the previous post......
by Sasha on Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:00 AM PSTI could not disable the bold on that article. If you access the web link I provided you should be able to read the actual news article that I copied and pasted without it being so harsh looking.
Also, if you go to the home page of iranian.com a news article about what I previously posted is also available under the HEADLINES which is on the right hand side. It has other information not on the news article I posted. It is under the title cheh zaboon darovordeh on the home page.
:o)
solh
Ex-president in Iran plugs democracy.....................
by Sasha on Wed Dec 12, 2007 09:23 AM PSTStill looking for any nuclear information on Iran but I just recieved the following news. Sorry, I could not disable the bold print. It is preprogrammed. My apologies. :o)
Ex-president in Iran plugs democracy
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 27 minutes ago
A popular former president has accused hard-line clerics of blocking progress in Iran by disqualifying reformists from parliament elections and suppressing student voices.
In comments published Wednesday, Mohammad Khatami, the president until 2005, was quoted as telling students at Tehran University that such extremists harm democracy. His remarks were the latest in a wave of criticism of the hard-line bloc of his successor, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"What right do some have to make decisions on behalf of the people and disqualify those trusted by the people on the grounds that their eligibility was not approved by six or 12 individuals," Khatami was quoted as saying by the daily newspaper Hambastegi, or Solidarity.
Khatami referred to decisions made by hard-line clerics on the Guardian Council, the country's constitutional watchdog, and its powerful head, Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati. The council's 12 members include six clerics hand-picked by Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Khamenei has final say on all state matters and is commander in chief of the armed forces. Hard-liners consider him to be answerable only to God.
Jannati, a key ally of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad, this week reiterated warnings that any candidate disloyal to the principles of Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution would be barred from parliamentary elections in March.
In 2004, the council prohibited thousands of reformists from running in the elections, resulting in the hard-liners' takeover of the parliament.
"How long can we ignore the people and claim that a majority of the citizens are wrong and only" those sitting on the council are right? Khatami asked.
Khatami said jailing students would harm democracy.
"Taking students to jail is not in the interests of the system. Expressing one's views should not involve such costs. This is the first condition of democracy," Khatami was quoted as saying by the reformist daily Aftab-e-Yazd.
Khatami won a landslide victory in 1997 on the promise of promoting political and social freedom. He was re-elected in 2001. His stint in office saw a significant expansion of social freedoms.
But while Khatami had support from reformist-dominated parliament at the time, hard-liners who dominated the powerful government agencies prevented him from instituting any lasting changes.
A bloody attack in July 1999 by Islamic vigilantes and security forces against students protesting media restrictions at the university was "the most bitter event" of his tenure as president, Khatami said. One person was killed and at least 20 others injured in the raid.
Khatami, who was hugely popular, had introduced two key reform bills to expand presidential powers and limit the authority of unelected hard-line bodies, including the Guardian Council. But in 2004, he abandoned the bills and conceded defeat in his long struggle to change a system stacked in favor of hard-line Islamic clerics.
With the accession of Ahmadinejad, conservatives once more took a decisive upper hand, though recently some voices have risen in opposition to his policies.
//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_khatami_1
solh
Re: Sasha -- does Iran even have...........
by Mehdi on Wed Dec 12, 2007 09:11 AM PSTWell I think it would be very easy for the IRI to compile a simple booklet with some numbers demonstrating this urgent need for the enrichment technology. Keep in mind that the issue is not "nuclear power" or "nuclear technology." What is questioned is the urgent need for the "enrichment technology." The UN and the US and allies are supposedly OK with the IRI building nuclear power plants but they want the IRI to "import" the fuel from somewhere instead of producing it within Iran. This is due to an apparent and alleged fear that the IRI could easily use the enrichment technology to produce a nuclear weapon whereas in the case of importing, they can keep tabs on how much fuel Iran has at any time (nothing can be diverted for buiding a bomb).
Re: Arezu -- Confidence Building
by Mehdi on Wed Dec 12, 2007 09:01 AM PSTBelieve me, I am no fan of George Bush and his gang. He hardly has any fans left anyway. If you want the truth it is very unlikely that I would approve of any government in the world to any significant degree. I support individuals and issues but I consider governments in general to be organizations that need a lot of correcting. My argument isn't whether US government is good or bad or better than or worse than the IRI. My viewpoint is that there can be a peaceful way to reach agreements between all governments and people of Earth. And I think we have to look at what we have not what ideally we could have. Yes, the US government does a lot of things that even its own people is not proud of. But the point is what should and could we do to come out successful and undamaged. In that light I see the IRI's insistance on aquiring enrichment tech as a bad idea. Because I don't see why this is so urgent that they can't halt it for a couple of years or even ten years while pursuing the matter in the UN and menawhile they can work on building the power plant, etc and just import the fuels as suggested by the west. Maybe the IRI can beat the UN maybe it can't. What I am saying is that if its ambitions gets Iran into a war or sanctions, could we truly justify it? Could we then feel confident afterwards that the death of thousands or millions was justified? Why risk this? What do we gain from this? Nothing. The so-called international community clearly is not willing to stand up for the IRI's right. They have demostrated this in the UN with thier resolution that Iran must stop enrichment. Right or wrong, because of propaganda or not, the UN has decided. IRI can either decide to be an outlaw now because it believes the UN (international court) is wrong or it can bite the bullet and swallow its anger and deal with the issue politically.
You say, of if we give in now then it will set an example and we will be trampled on more because they will see that we are weak. I think if you look at it objectively, they have trampled on us for a very long time and the nuclear enrichment stance doesn't change that. If this was a really urgent issue, maybe, but again, nobody has demonstrated it to be that urgent or fundamental. This issue, at best, is symbolic gesture about one's right.
The point here is not whose right is what. As my mother used to say, if a donkey kicks you, you don't kick the donkey back! The point is using diplomacy where it serves the nation best and not be pig-headed over issues that are not even urgent. And nobody has demonstrated to me with statistic that enrichment tech is that urgent for the IRI. The only thing I have heard is that it is IRI's right or that nuclear power (not enrichment) is a good idea or it can generate power or jobs. These do not tell me why enrichment is so urgent as to risk even a war with all the greatest powers of the world. Do you see my point?
Mehdi does Iran even have...........
by Sasha on Wed Dec 12, 2007 08:29 AM PSTDoes Iran even keep this kind of statistical information? I will have to check what articles Soraya has written. Maybe I can find some guidance there.
solh
Those Who Want A Fight
by Mehdi on Wed Dec 12, 2007 08:26 AM PSTI have to make a comment about some of the people leaving comments here. Please note that I am interested in civilized discussions. If you want a fight maybe you should go to Iraq and pick a side and get busy destroying bodies. Become a suicide bomber and go to Israel or become Mossad agent and infiltrate the IRI and perform some of those clandestine operations you are good at. But in here, let's stick with what is generally known as civilized discourse - simple communication. I don't mind it when someone gets a little emotional but please don't waste our time by being a mouthpiece of the governments. They have enough dumb slaves to do that for them. Thanks.
Still No Case For Urgent Need Of Enrichment Tech
by Mehdi on Wed Dec 12, 2007 08:14 AM PSTThere is an amazing amouont of name calling, labeling, slogans and outright hate propaganda in these comments but I still don't see even one person providing a case to clearly demonstrate that Iran is in urgent need of "enrichment" technology (not just nuclear tech). I want to see numbers and analyses not opinions and claims or an argument connecting the issue to thousands of years of bloodshed between the Jews and Muslims and Christians or whatever. A scientific, engineering data compilation that clearly shows this urgent need.
Having said that, again, you might ask why Iran needs to prove this when it is her right to enrichment according to international laws. I am not the UN but in my opinion (only) the so called international community is effectively turning a blind eye on IRI's right in this regard because in general they don't trust the IRI. And despite a lot of name calllings and heated emotional nonsense here, nobody has offered a solution for this. Most pro-IRI comments claim that the international community or the UN "should" trust Iran, or that if they don't it is because of the US propaganda or maybe Israel propaganda, etc. I am sorry but that is a weak argument. It may be true but it will not yield any benefit for Iran. The UN will still mistrust Iran.
Even I am suspecious as to why the IRI is pushing so hard for the enrichment tech when it could direct its efforts towards more urgent matters within Iran. Although suspicion is not enough to take a country's right away, but the UN can definitely put the IRI's right at the end of the list of issues it will deal with.
Nobody answered my important question of why the IRI doesn't instead work on the Bushehr petrochemical plant project which could make Iran richer beyond dreams and it will also provide the much needed extra natural gas which could be used to build many power plants and it will create more jobs that somebody poited out in their comment here. I was told in 1982 that Bushehr plant needs at least 1,800 engineers. That project was so huge that it would change all of Iran for good. None of these heated comments full of hatred for the has answered this question. How about some real numbers and statistics instead of all this emotional show?
Arezu.........I read your comment to me :o)
by Sasha on Wed Dec 12, 2007 07:27 AM PSTYou are as brilliant as someone on this website had told me about you earlier. Yes, you are most definitly worth reading.
We already have some common ground:
Arezu: "I for one am not linked to any government, organization, opposition group, interest group, lobbist, the MEK, the monarchists, IRI or anyone else. I am simply a person who seeks to educate myself and learn the truth."
Arezu: "in no way did I request that you read them in order to provide comments about their length or otherwise"
Sasha: Yes, I know you never requested my presence, my reading of your comments or my having any discussion with you. However, I think it was Mojgan or was it Jamshid who wanted me to read your comments. Maybe I made the incorrect assumption with Mojgan and Jamshid.
solh
Arezu thank you so much for the outline......:o)
by Sasha on Wed Dec 12, 2007 07:11 AM PSTReally thank you so much for the outline and I am not being sarcastic. :o) I appreciate the time and thought you took to provide me with an outline. I especially liked your PS commentaries. :o)
Oops! Sorry, on the HE slip of the tongue. I know how it feels to be called a HE when I am very much a woman. :o)
I shall now proceed to read your posted comment.
solh
Natalia
Who is Who? : To Identity Questioners
by Rosie T. on Wed Dec 12, 2007 06:58 AM PSTArezu, Nezanin and Jamshid are individual people with strong voices and I can't imagine why they would feel a need to post as someone else, since they never have problems expressing their views clearly under their chosen names. If you're accusing these people of using different pseudonyms, it REALLY is unfair. There's a BIG difference between Jamshid saying, as I've seen him do, that in his opinion people who won't come out clearly against the IRI regime are tantamount to IRI agents , and accusing someone of posting under different names. I'm not saying I like it or like Jamshid's style when he does it, I'm just saying there is a MAJOR difference. WHy would Jamshid post under different names when he is one of the most copious posters on the site under the name of Jamshid? Would he even have time to do it? These types of baseless accusations corrode the very foundations of discussion. And they serves paranoia very well. Paranoia likes to live alone in a closet with nothing but "me/us" and "them/the rest of the world." The smaller the closet, the better for paranoia. If you can only accuse everyone who disagrees with you of not being who they are, that is, of not EXISTING, then you've won...hands down...because you EXIST, in this dark closet of your mind, with those who share your views, and nobody else...exists...as a PERSON, only as a THREAT from outside. Congratulations, you've won, but what a pyrrhic victory!
paranoia will destroy ya.
To: Sasha it is up to you to read or not to read! Your choice
by Arezu (not verified) on Wed Dec 12, 2007 06:44 AM PSTSasha says: "Why can't Arezu provide me with an outline. Or at least a summary to all the stuff he (by the way I am a She) copied and pasted. If I wanted to do all that reading then I would read more scholarly journals."
"Look if I have some extra time, I will consider reading some of the posted comments by Arezu and pick one area of discussion. Does that sound reasonable? Just please do not ask me to read it all. :o)"
Dear Sasha in order to clarify why I posted the articles let me summarize it for you:
1. The articles were posted in response to a specific comment made by one individual who made excellent comments but had some mistake in his argument. In order to correct that mistake, which I believe is the responsibility of all of us; I corrected that mistake and provided sources and facts.
2. Rightfully so, that individual had requested that individuals who post comment present their views with facts and sources as opposed to just providing info. and statistics which could not be verified. I agree with him totally; and therefore provided information along with some of links and sources of where the info. is derived from. Therefore, I am not making it up, nor passing on IRI propaganda material which some on this site continue to repeat.
3. It is up to individuals who may want to read or disregard the information. That is your freedom of choice. However, no one can claim ignorance when the facts and truth are out there, written by highly reputable scholars, professors, and experts in foreign affairs. That is my point. If you want to understand and argue issues one needs to get informed in order to have an intelligent dialogue.
4. I agree with Mojgan 100% that the intent is not to keep people dumb and ignorant as is being done by the media in this country, but to inform people about the truth.
5. It is not my position to force anyone to read articles. Those who are interested will read it and follow the links and make their own assessment and come up with their own conclusion.
6. Finally, I am glad that you seem interested in understanding the issues and finding the facts, but in no way did I request that you read them in order to provide comments about their length or otherwise. I am sure you are intelligent enough to seek the truth and if we can be a source in directing you to your search, by all means do ask and many of us will be more than happy to assist you.
Best regards
p.s I for one am not linked to any government, organization, opposition group, interest group, lobbist, the MEK, the monarchists, IRI or anyone else. I am simply a person who seeks to educate myself and learn the truth.
Dear Jamshid..........you are not helping :o)
by Sasha on Wed Dec 12, 2007 05:35 AM PSTJamshid you are only adding to the drama with Mojgan. Objectivity and clear thought, always our friends. :o)
solh
Mojgan it was meant as a proactive action to all on the thread
by Sasha on Wed Dec 12, 2007 05:45 AM PSTYou know you and Jamshid do have something in common. He loves to copy and paste other people's comments when responding. Ain't that right Jamshid? :o)
Sasha: "By the way before you or anyone else starts labeling, I am a Muslim convert and proud of it. Before the accusations start NO I DO NOT AGREE WITH ANYONE HURTING IRANIANS IN IRAN OR ABROAD. So no I am not pro IRI because they are hurting Iranians and because of them many people have a bad view on Islam."
Sasha response: The above comment was meant as a proactive statement and it applied to all of those on this thread because you well know as you previously stated on this thread, the first thing they tend to do is try to label you "whatever". Another thing they do is start with conspiracy theories.
Mojgan:"I just question you about why not calling on Jamshid that Labels every poster with Pro Iranian position an " IRI agent " . Did you ever think that I may have had other exchanges with Jamshid on other subjects ?"
Sasha: As I mentioned on another posted comment, Jamshid and I have gotten into some very heated discussions/debates in the past. We both know where we stand on religious and political views. He knows how I think about trying to be objective.
Mojgan: And a lesson for you ,newly converted Muslim , Islam is not only "Shiaa Iran" , Most Muslims are Sunnis
Sasha: Yes, I know there are Sunni Muslims. As a matter of fact I had a Sunni Muslim man living in Saudi that wanted to arrange a marriage with me. He was looking for a wife to conform and a Westerner at that because they are some sort of status symbol. Of course many on this thread already know that Sasha and conforming in the same sentence is just not happening. :o) If you want to I can give you his email address. I think he is still looking for a wife. He also likes Iranian women. He just doesn't want to marry a Sunni Muslima.
Jamshid why do people keep telling me "lesson for Sasha"? It is starting to get on my last nerve.
Mojgan: "Oh , by the way , why do you think people don't have a bad view of Judiasm even though the Israeli Zionists have commited every human right violation in the book ?!! "
Sasha: Again, I say that I may be up in years but I went and reread my posted comments and no where did I mention the terms Judiasm, Israeli or Zionists. Are we on the same page? I don't have any problems with people of all religions. People can believe whatever religion or not they want. I only have problems with governments.
solh
Mojgan because I'm not at university :o)
by Sasha on Wed Dec 12, 2007 05:07 AM PSTWhy can't Arezu provide me with an outline. Or at least a summary to all the stuff he copied and pasted. If I wanted to do all that reading then I would read more scholarly journals.
Look if I have some extra time, I will consider reading some of the posted comments by Arezu and pick one area of discussion. Does that sound reasonable? Just please do not ask me to read it all. :o)
solh
YOU ARE IRRELEVENT .
by IRAN nuclear POWER (not verified) on Wed Dec 12, 2007 01:46 AM PSTWHAT YOU THINK is Inconsequential .
IRAN will decide for itself.
It already has and NUCLEAR IRAN is here to stay.
Get used to it...
Mojgan=IranIrooni, Farok 200.......
by AnonymousIROONIbystander (not verified) on Wed Dec 12, 2007 01:45 AM PSTHay Nojgan, Why you change your name so much. Now you pick a girls name? We know who you are. Everyone who disagrees with you is either a Jew, a Jew supporter, a zionist, Neocon, Blah blah blah. We love Iran baby Mojgan. Go ahead call me jew, call me zionist blah blah blah. People like you and Arezu the winner get on every blog and turn any subject re IRI to a Zionist/Neocon agenda. As if Only zionist and Neocones are the only players in this game of chess. You guys sound very educated and mature. Look at the threads. Arezu and you fail to answer questions. You just scream "NEOCON" "ZIONIST" "JEW" anytime you are confronted with the crimes of your beloved IRI.
Game is Over . Iran full treadle a head - IRAN POWER
by Facts on the ground (not verified) on Wed Dec 12, 2007 01:31 AM PSTGet used to it.... IRAN POWER
Re: Sasha
by jamshid on Wed Dec 12, 2007 01:22 AM PSTKeep arguing against Mojgan. She'll give you a taste of what I warned you about IRI's version of Islam.
Re: Mojgan
by jamshid on Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:52 AM PSTExactly. Iran under the shah paid israel for the missiles to be used in Iran's army. After the IRI took over that partnership ended.
The problem is that you made it sound like the shah paid Israel for the missiles to be built for Israel's use. It was for Iran's use. There was nothing wrong with that partnership, as Iran stood to benefit from it.
Sasha , why not ?
by Mojgan (not verified) on Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:25 PM PSTyou said :" Please do not ask me to debate with Arezu. Did you see all the stuff this person posted, it is like an Encyclopedia? Please don't ask me to go and read all of his stuff. Talk about cruel and unusual punishment."
Why not Sasha ? Don't you have to have all the facts before you form an opinion ? Apparently Arezo has studied the subject and is not just going by what the Mass-media Parroting 24/7 to keep the Americans numb and dumb and in the service of Zio=con warmongers.
Sasha ,your religion doesn't matter
by Mojgan (not verified) on Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:13 PM PSTYou said : By the way before you or anyone else starts labeling, I am a Muslim convert and proud of it. Before the accusations start NO I DO NOT AGREE WITH ANYONE HURTING IRANIANS IN IRAN OR ABROAD. So no I am not pro IRI because they are hurting Iranians and because of them many people have a bad view on Islam.
I did not ask your religion , did I ? Why did you have to bring it up ? I just question you about why not calling on Jamshid that Labels every poster with Pro Iranian position an " IRI agent " . Did you ever think that I may have had other exchanges with Jamshid on other subjects ?
Oh , by the way , why do you think people don't have a bad view of Judiasm even though the Israeli Zionists have commited every human right violation in the book ?!! Why do you blame the IRI for the negative feelings about Muslims ? Don't tell me terrorism now , since it means you have no idea about Haganah or Stern & Irgun gang that were the fathers of terrorism in Middle East .
And BTW , wasn't saudis practicing Sharia law long befor IRI came to power ? I am sure the Iranian appreciate your concern for them but they also know Wolves in sheep clothing that can hurt them even more than IRI .
And a lesson for you ,newly converted Muslim , Islam is not only "Shiaa Iran" , Most Muslims are Sunnis .Just tell whom ever that say Iran gives a bad rap to Islam that those crazy Eye-ranians are Shiaa , we Sunnis are peacefull and produce peacefull creatures like Osama >:)
Dear Ben I am not sure............
by Sasha on Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:47 PM PSTI am not sure that JJ will have time to correct spelling errors on articles. You know how he is always trying to multi-task. It is why I only submit blogs. Once they are no longer a featured blog then I correct my errors on my essay. If you try to correct your blog while on the featured section, it will kick it out of there forever.
Just some friendly advice from one writer to another.
solh
Mojgan are you feeling okay..........:o)
by Sasha on Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:59 PM PSTI went and checked the whole thread. Where is this Eskiel person? Now, I know I am getting up in years but how is someone suppose to debate a person who is not on this thread? I draw the line at debating with imaginary people. A woman has to have standards. :o) Otherwise, they will call her a looney.
I also looked for Nazanin on the thread and did not find this person.
Please do not ask me to debate with Arezu. Did you see all the stuff this person posted, it is like an Encyclopedia? Please don't ask me to go and read all of his stuff. Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.
Now, on to Jamshid. In case you were not aware, Jamshid and I have debated/discussed in the past through out the website. Some people on this thread can testify to it.
solh
Mojgan dear I am just getting started.............:o)
by Sasha on Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:13 PM PSTI just wanted you to be first. :o) By the way before you or anyone else starts labeling, I am a Muslim convert and proud of it. Before the accusations start NO I DO NOT AGREE WITH ANYONE HURTING IRANIANS IN IRAN OR ABROAD. So no I am not pro IRI because they are hurting Iranians and because of them many people have a bad view on Islam.
I just wanted to point out how absurd conspiracies of double agents or many anonymous names on this website can sound.
By the way I only have two verified accounts on this website Sasha and my real full name. I only make comments on one of them. It is under Sasha because it is shorter and easier to remember. The other one has three names. Talk about over kill. :o)
Now, that I have been proactive enough let us begin shall we?
solh
Why Ben is not worried about Fishs Glowing in Negev ?!!
by Mojgan (not verified) on Tue Dec 11, 2007 09:49 PM PSTBut he is worried about the safety of Iranian reactores that are inspected by IAEA ?:)
RADIOACTIVE FISH IN NEGEV
Vanunu, as quoted by the nuclear physicist Dr. Frank Barnaby, who interviewed him on behalf of the Sunday Times, declared that the
radioactive waste was transported at night to some (unspecified) location in the Negev. Much of the waste was also stored at the Dimona site itself.
In the course of 30-40 years one could expect many containers of the radioactive liquid solutions to develop cracks and leaks - and ultimately to reach the underground water system in the Negev. Until recently no evidence of such groundwater contamination had been published.
But on 14.7.04 Yediot Aharonot published a full-page article "by our [anonymous] military correspondent", headlined "DISQUIETING FISH" ("dagim mad'igim"),
subtitled: "DISCLOSURE", "Fears that fish for consumption swim in radioactive waters". We read:
"A routine test has revealed concentrations of radioactivity higher than normal in the groundwater of the Negev and the Arava. There are fears that some of the fish for consumption from ponds in this region are contaminated. Some 5% of all fish marketed in Israel come from these ponds.
The Water Authority (NETSIVUT HAMAIM) recommends to fish breeders: Don't use problematic water (!!). The Ministry of Agriculture hastens to reassure: There is no danger to health." Further we read: "In routine tests that "Mekorot" conducted in boreholes in the north and central Negev and Arava, particularly high concentrations of radioactive substances were found. In one case the concentration was 5 times higher than normal. Two of the boreholes were subsequently sealed." What was the source of this radioactivity?
We learn that the source is in "the salty water of the aquifer (underground water bearing rock) that has unusually high levels of radioactivity."
Too bad that nature was so unkind to us! But wait - on the same page in Yediot Aharonot we learn from Prof. Avner Adin, of the Department of Soil and Water Sciences in the University of Jerusalem, who reports that in the ground one frequently finds radon (a radioactive gas),
uranium and PLUTONIUM ! But plutonium does not normally exist in nature (its half-life is about 23000 years, so if it was formed together with all other radioactive substances when the earth was born, it would have disappeared completely very long ago). So if you find plutonium in
groundwater, it could only have been created in a nuclear reactor by the irradiation of uranium with neutrons! In other words the source of
plutonium in the Negev groundwater is in the plutonium separation facility in Dimona. How much of the radioactivity in the fish that you may eat comes from nature and how much from Dimona is still an open question.
3. When and why do you distribute iodine pills to the population?When a reactor badly malfunctions so that there is insufficient cooling of the reactor core, one possible consequence is a meltdown of the uranium fuel rods, which have meanwhile become contaminated with radioactive fission products as well as plutonium, and these blow out into the atmosphere.
This is what happened in Chernobyl, for example. In the ensuing radioactive cloud about 27% of the initial radioactivity is due to the isotope Iodine 131, which has a half-life of about 8 days. The iodine is readily taken in by the body, especially by children, and is deposited in
the thyroid gland where it is likely to cause thyroid cancer. To hinder the ingestion of radioactive iodine after a reactor accident people take (non-radioactive) iodine pills so that the body will be saturated with iodine and will not take up this radioactive isotope. After a month or so little of the radioactive iodine will remain, having decayed naturally, and then you must start worrying about radioactive strontium and caesium (which settle in the bones and muscles), if you haven't yet moved to a safer environment.
Is there reason to fear an accident in the nuclear reactor in Dimona?
Apparently there is. One doesn't distribute iodine pills for no good reason. And one good reason is that the reactor in Dimona is some 45 years old, a ripe old age for a reactor, and most reactors in the world are dismantled before reaching this age. The steel and other structural
materials age, develop cracks, become brittle - in short, the reactor becomes unsafe.
How far can the radioactive cloud be expected to reach? It depends on the type of reactor, on the seriousness of the accident, on the wind direction and other factors. Assuming a worst case scenario, that the type of blowout
is similar to that in Chernobyl, but that 16 times less material is ejected (in Chernobyl there was a 1000 MW reactor, in Dimona the reactor is estimated at 60 or 70 MW), the area covered will be 1/16 of that around Chernobyl, the distance reached will be 1/4. The effects of Chernobyl were felt in Stockholm and Berlin. Divide the distance by 4...
Four years ago, 6.2.2000,Yediot Aharonot published an article under banner headlines quoting Prof. Uzi Even, a former senior scientist in the Dimona reactor complex, demanding that the reactor be closed down because it had become dangerous to its workers and the surroundings. Four years later iodine pills were distributed to the surrounding population...
And we poor Israelis can do no more than demand an end to the security blanket and the "nuclear ambiguity" (AMIMUT GAR'INIT) surrounding our nuclear policy, and that it be opened to public discussion. Until then we will continue to eat radioactive fish seasoned with iodine pills.
Sasha , stay out of it or play fair
by Mojgan (not verified) on Tue Dec 11, 2007 09:44 PM PSTI Don't see you calling on Eskiel and labels every patriotic Iranian an "IRI agent "? Any reason for that ?
Jamshid aka, Eskiel
by Mojgan (not verified) on Tue Dec 11, 2007 09:41 PM PSTIt was a partnership , Eskiel .
Iran gave the money and Israel was suppose to built it , So Since we did not recive the missiles and is now pointed at us , just caugh up the money plus interst !
Paranoia to the max......Mojgan and Anonymous1974B
by Sasha on Tue Dec 11, 2007 09:39 PM PSTWhat gives with you two and your conspiracy theories of uncovering people as agents of whatever.
Let us see shall we, Mojgan claims that Jamshid is also AKA Eskiel
and that Arezu is AKA Nazanin.
Let me save you the trouble my AKA are Natalia, Nadia, Slasher, Sasha, Shakira, Cat Woman (don't ask & I don't tell), sweet Angel (again don't ask......), Nati, Tati, Melody, Natasha, Nathalie................the list just goes on. :o) All nicknames given to me.
solh
Re: Mojgan
by jamshid on Tue Dec 11, 2007 09:33 PM PSTYou call me Eskiel in a futile attempt to demonize and dehumanize me by labeling me as a pro-Israeli. This only demonstrates your bankrupt intellect and ideology.
It also demonstrate your fascisitic mentality which is similar to those who are ruling in Iran.
The shah never invested any money for building missiles FOR Israel. Those missiles were for Iran's army.
You are a lying, deceptive, pro-IRI, demonizing fascist.