Worse than Islamic fundamentalism

Aryanism, a threat to Iran and the region


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Worse than Islamic fundamentalism
by Ben Madadi
17-Sep-2007
 

My often remarks and writings about Iranian-type Aryanism has been vigorously attacked by many Iranians. Although many Iranians would argue that Iranian Aryanism is inoffensive and is only needed for identifying what being an Iranian means, the sole purpose of using a race (as it is perceived) to identify a nation is ominous enough to be addressed as a serious issue.

The huge number of Iranians, especially those in the diaspora who have still kept their Iranian identity alive, who believe in an Aryan nation is a simple sign that the issue is not a marginal one. And this is the reason for my preoccupation (or obsession as some Iranians may say) with this subject as I have also had first-hand experience of the Aryanist ideology when I used to live in Iran.

Do the Western governments, in America or other places, and also Iranians in general, ever think which kind of a regime would replace Iran's Islamic government in case it fell? I say there is a serious case for seeing an Aryanist regime to replace the Islamist one. An Aryanist regime that may prove to take Iran to disintegration and Iranians to civil strife, doing no good for either Iran or the region. Iranians are not yet prepared for a full-fledged democracy in which human rights are respected and minorities protected.

Western governments, especially the US administration, must think many times before wishing for the annihilation of the Iranian Islamic government. Although the IRI is a relatively dangerous one it has not proved yet prepared to do anything serious other than annoying Israel. Such fundamentalist regimes are usually more in danger of implosion than being destroyed by an outside force, so time may just be enough to solve what is seen as an imminent threat.

The same also happened with Communism, which was far more dangerous than Iranian Islamism. Many Iranians, and Westerners alike, hating the Islamic regime of Iran, for simply being Islamic, do not contemplate about what is going to replace it. Well, I actually believe that Westerners think about this issue quite enough after having had the experience of Iraq.

Iranian Aryanists see all non-Aryans (as they perceive them to be non-Aryans), Turks, Arabs, Jews etc as threats to their existence and identity. Araynist blogs are full of texts describing not necessarily America, but more likely Israel, then Turkey and Azerbaijan, and let's not forget Arab states, as threats. Such an Aryanist regime may prove far worse than a Shia extremist regime, for both Iranians, and the region.

In my previous article (Azerbaijan in Iran) I had mentioned a few things that angered Iranian nationalists, believers in an Aryan Iran. I had mentioned about how human rights are not respected in Iran regarding the use of local or minority languages, Azerbaijani (or Turki as they call it in Iran) in this case, and anti-IRI Iranians attacked this as being untrue, because people are allowed to use Azerbaijani (and other languages such as Kurdish etc) among themselves.

Yes, maybe there is a country in the world where using your own mother tongue is also banned at home (I don't know any but there may be, who knows!), which is not the case in Iran! Using local languages where people (24% Azeri/Turki, 8% Gilaki and Mazandarani, 7% Kurdish, 3% Arabic etc according to the CIA) speak other languages than Farsi (modern Persian language) in any official (local schools, institutions etc) way is not allowed, though the Iranian constitution has expressly allowed it.

I must make this clear that the Islamic regime is not an Aryanist regime and the pursuit of discriminatory policies against minorities (ethnic or religious) are because of utter disrespect for human rights of individuals or groups in general and not due to an ideology based on race or nationality. Iranian ethnic minority groups' activists have been, and are, subject to being imprisoned or killed for demanding their rights, because they are seen as threats toward the ideology of Shia Islam and also possible threats toward the territorial integrity of Iran.

Let's go a bit deeper into the issue of Aryanism in Iran and see what it is about! I have been accused to giving the sense that Iranian-type (also used in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, India and some other countries) Aryanism is different than what Aryanism was known up to about 60 years ago in the Christian world. Locals may have come up with their own definitions of Aryanism (do Iranians know that Tajikistan has officially adopted the shape of the Swastika to identify with?) but looking into the modern history of the Middle East, and Europe, we can see that the use of the phrase 'Aryan race' first started to appear in the West, referring mainly to non-Jewish north American and northern Europeans.

The term was adopted by the Nazis for blaming non-Aryans (primarily Jews, but also Gypsies and some other perceived non-Aryans) for causing all the troubles of the world up to that point. Nazis, to justify their theory, accused Britain and America, as being nothing but Jewish puppet states where the Jews controlled everything and that was, according to the Nazis, the cause of those countries' official dissociation from the Nazi Aryanist ideology. This was in ignorance of the fact that it was mostly Britain that promoted the Aryan theory not only in the Christian world but also throughout the world (especially India and the Middle East) far before the Nazis took over Germany.

And this was the time (after the Christian world started and perfected the theory) when there are first cases of referring to Aryans and the Aryan race in Iran and other Middle-Eastern regions. There are ancient texts when pre-Islamic Persian rulers have used the word Arya to identify themselves, but we have little idea what exactly they referred to (it was not about race anyway), and beside all this, Iranians, the region, and the whole world has changed so much ever since, people have moved, have adopted different religions, languages and habits. And what is with this pause? Why there is no mention of the Aryans, the Aryan race or ideology, until Europeans bring it to the Middle East?

All we can see in Middle Eastern, Iranian and alike, writings are either related to Islam, or to various other social, political or scientific preoccupations of their relevant times. Therefore, although Iranian, Afghan, and other Aryanist nationalists may argue otherwise, it is clear that the adoption of the Aryanist ideology had, and still has, its inspirations and roots in the modern Christian world's Aryanist theory that was dropped when the second World War ended. Unfortunately the Middle East did not drop the theory, having been largely unaffected by the war.

There is also this confusion in the Middle East to what actually means Aryan. Although the original European theory refers to Aryan as a race, which is an extremely unscientific and flawed theory, some Iranians may often prefer referring to it as a group of people who speak Indo-Eruopean languages, while a race at other places and contexts. If I say that Aryanism, or saying that Iranians are Aryans, is racism, then Aryan nationalists will argue that being an Aryan is not about race, but about being part of the group of Aryan speakers. Then the problem, also argued by some Iranians in my previous article (Azerbaijan in Iran), comes up when they clearly use Aryan as a race by referring to Iranian Azerbaijanis as Turkified Aryans, and the Safavid dynasty also as Turkified Aryans!

According to them although the Safavid were Turkified, like most of the rest of Azerbaijan (an Iranian area), 500 years ago when Shah Ismail took control of Azerbaijan, later the whole Iranian plateau, they were Aryans because some 300-400 years before that (800-900 years ago) their forefather was 'clearly' a Kurd, hence an Aryan! They ignore that the Safavid considered themselves descendants of the prophet Mohammad, therefore in case we go back even further in time, they must have been Arabs. We may even go back in time and consider the Safavid monkeys because according to modern scientific theory we were all some kind of monkeys at some point.

There is this serious theoretical problem about Aryanism in Iran. Is it a race-based theory, or is it a language-based theory? Do we consider Uzbeks, who are Sunni Asiatic (of Asian race, i.e. looking somewhat like Chinese), Aryans? They speak a Turkic language but they celebrate Norouz and have a culture that is extremely similar to the Iranian culture. Do we consider Germans Aryans? Do we consider Kurds Aryans? Do we consider Azerbaijanis Aryans? What about Turks? Do we consider Turks in Turkey Aryans? They don't look like any other race than Iranians, do they? So, what is being an Aryan?

It means NOTHING. It is not a race. It fails to meat any criteria to be defined. It is nothing but a means of justifying failings and short-comings by blaming others (for instance Arabs, Turks or Jews), therefore running away from realities. Racially speaking you can be Caucasian, Asian, African, American, or mixed. There is no Aryan race out there. Is being an Aryan about being an Indo-European? That cannot be a definition of a country or a nation then. Why not drop the Aryan word then because it has been so much misused and abused by the Nazis? This was the reason the Christian world dropped the term.

If being an Aryan is being an Indo-European then Azerbaijanis are not Aryans. They belong to the Turkic-speaking group of peoples, just like the Uzbeks or the Turks of Turkey, though they may belong to different races (Uzbeks are Asians while Turks and Azerbaijanis are Caucasian). Azerbaijanis were (as many scientific studies show) some Iranic-speaking people, or peoples, at least partially, probably related to Persian, just like the Talysh or the Kurds, some 900 years ago or so.

However they were a different people than the Persians, again just like the Talysh, the Kurds or other Iranic peoples. Then they got Turkified, they adopted, developed and perfected a united Turkic language that is different from all other major Turkic languages. Now, if we consider Azerbaijanis as they used to be some 900 years ago (therefore "Aryan" as Iranian Aryanists claim) then we can, again, go even further in history and find out what the inhabitants of Azerbaijan were some 10,000 years ago, or maybe even before. We can do the same for the rest of Iran, and nobody will be either Persian or anything similar to it because as we know Aryan tribes (Indo-European speaking peoples) moved to the region from somewhere else (probably to the north), and there were some original inhabitants of the area before the Aryans moved into the Iranian plateau.

How can Iranians be Aryanists then when being an Aryan means pretty much nothing? And, what is wrong being an Iranian anyway? Fars (ethnic Persian) Iranians can be proud of their rich literary heritage (world-famous Persian poets like Khayyam, Saadi, Hafez, Ferdousi etc), which is one of a kind in the world, while other Iranians can also be proud of their own language, culture and history. Relating being an Iranian, or relating the Iranian identity to Aryans, is doing nothing but harm to Iran and its image not only among non-Persian Iranians but also to the wider world.

In case being an Iranian does need a definition then it can be this: most Iranians speak an Iranic language and they are Shia Muslims, or simply anyone holding an Iranian citizenship. Then, as many Aryanist Iranians see, there is a serious problem with having some one/quarter (24% or so) of the population (Azerbaijanis) being non-Iranians whose historical contributions to the modern Iran have been far greater than the Iranic-speakers!

And this is where we find the reason behind all this attempt to Aryanise Azerbaijanis. Taking into account the mass migration of Azerbaijanis (mostly due to lack of investment in the region) to Tehran and other Persian areas of Iran it is also very possible that the 24% is no more representative and Azerbaijanis, even taking into account those who consider themselves Azeris in Tehran and other non-Azerbaijani areas, may be somewhere below 20% of the total population.

Unless Azerbaijanis are Aryanised (as Iranian nationalists attempt to do) what can the identity of Iran do with positive, or negative, but extremely important Iranian names such as, Shah Ismail (the founder of the modern Iran), Shah Abbas (Iran's greatest post-Islamic ruler), the Safavid, the Qajar, Sattar Khan (the leader of Iran's freedom-seeker Constitutionalists)? What Iranian nationalists miss though is that the only thing that may increasingly cause a serious rift between Azerbaijanis and the rest of Iran is nothing but this Aryanising attempt itself.

And the problem with Azerbaijanis (which occurs when defining Iran as a country where most people speak an Iranic language) can be solved by accepting and acknowledging the realities and respecting non-Persians' own languages, traditions and customs by not only allowing them but also promoting them as Iranian riches. Few non-Persian Iranians genuinely desire separation and Azerbaijanis in particular have historically been attached to Iran, nowadays even more due to having so many relatives living outside Azerbaijan-proper.

Azerbaijani Turk rulers of Iran knowing that they were the rulers of mainly Iranic-speaking country adopted Farsi (Persian) as the official language of Iran so there is no real problem of having a country where there is a large non-Iranic-peaking minority group, that may no more be that large afterall.


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Ba dorod

by aryashahin (not verified) on

Be happy as this article shows how low and foolish are these parasites. who they used to bury their own alive in sand ,cause she was a female.

//www.youtube.com/profile?user=aryashahin
watch my youtube collection as it describes arabs perfectly


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In Terms of medicine,

by aryashahin (not verified) on

My brothers my fellow Aryans, my beloved iranians, who are from the great land of Pars. Ignor this imbecile comments as he is an arab. A arab who's comments are devilish and Islamic.
Arabs race are more weaker than ever and in danger of extinction..
their religion is losing fame day by day. More people are fighting Arabs and their islamic ideology, than ever before. Arabs are fearing rise of the great Persian empire once again and with nuclear power, in our hand they have started to fear like a rat about to be killed by a cat.

In Terms of medicine,
Arab is like a cancer for a peacefully world,
it promotes not only fanaticism, but also affects other cells vigorously,
thus, removal of such malignant cancer
is a must.

May ahura Mazda be with you


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Your visions are wrong, i

by AlX (not verified) on

Your visions are wrong, i understand if you have Arab blood in you, BUT DON OT DISGRACE AND LOWER PERSIAN CULTURE....Arabic language was forced upon persian and during revolution if was forced again and those scum islamics forced they way in to our society...

They will be gone soon and you would be one of them, persian empire will be born again and will wipe out Parasitic Arab race.

TO A GLORIOUS ARAYAN IRAN.


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Satanic words

by AlX (not verified) on

Arabs are parasite living with in a healthy society...eg Iran.

Arabic language is know as a Satanic language, a dirty and terrorist, a criminal language.

Arab race is a race that must be completely wiped out. Persian language has changed and will continue to disuse Scumic.. i mean Arabic word that were forced upon Persians.

So dream on :)


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Bravo...

by AlX (not verified) on

well said, i agree 100%.

But i tell you what, Arab race must be wiped out of Iran zamin. Arabs are anti Persian and Persian Culture, these Arabs live in sands with no water and peace, Arabs race have don't have the mental capacity to understand humanity and peace.


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Iran must be freed from any Arab religion and their Ideology

by AlX (not verified) on

We are Aryan, we will remain Aryan and those Islamics can packup and leave, because they don't represent Iran, they never have and never will be.

So if you consider your self Islamic and Arab worshiper a terrorist to Persian culture then leave the Aryan land.
If you think you have the right to be in Iran you must benefit Iran's History, Language, Culture, Ethics and most importantly Persian way of living. If you intend to pollute the country with you pathetic Islamic nonsense, think twice coz your END is NEAR.


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My fellow Iranians...

by Ben Madadi on

I often read my articles again after having received insults etc from angry Iranians to see what angered them. I read this one again to see what angered them. They say there is no Aryanism, but what angered them? They call me a pan-Turkist. What do they mean by that? All Azerbaijanis call themselves Turks. If that is pan-Turkism, then be it! Is this the Aryan/Iranian civilisation these angry Iranians pride themselves with? Disrespecting others' opinions and throwing insults? I have been called an Israeli plotter more often than I have been called a pan-Turkis. And they say they only hate Arabs. No, they hate everybody. It is an ideology based on hate. I don't support Iran's islamic government. But I believe it is better than a ultra-nationalist government. A democracy would be far better. But who are we going to build a democracy with? These angry Iranians would kill me if they could for simply writing my opinion. How would they react if a politician from the opposition party in a democratic Iran would say something they wouldn't like? You see, just like Iraq, Iran is not ready for democracy either. We can either build it in ourselves by being tolerant to others, or we can simply bash the IRI for being non-democratic. The IRI is non-democratic at this moment because Iranians are non-democratic at this moment. I am not fantasising about my articles. I have not made up anything. These things have existed for a long time, but I have put them together and have had the courage of being insulted to post them on Iranian.com. I don't mind being insulted. It shows the level of civilisation (about the supposed lack of which they accuse Arabs, Turks and others). It does not take a scientist to see that the majority of the Iranians reading such articles (they are from the diaspora so not necessarily representative for inside Iran, but maybe similar) and therefore replying to them are against me, so what? That is not a problem! I am in a minority. Or maybe I am in an extremely small portion of that minority. So what? This is freedom of expression. Live with it!


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Anti-Arab racism

by Anonymous Arab (not verified) on

.is alive and well in Iran.
As an Arab from Ahwaz I feel there is a lot of Anti-Arab racism in Iran.
(due to lack of space)I will make only 2 points to just scratch the surface on Anti-Arab racism in Iran..
But first let me say that Iran defintley needs a new political system and racism is an issue and obsticle for a transition to a democratic system of government.
Fisrt point that I would like to make is that fallowing the establishment of the Islamic regime in Iran a significant number of the population and thinkers refuse to give an accurate anylsis of the whys and hows of the establishement of the new regime and simply label it as THE SECOND ARAB INVASION.(coined by the late and leading poet and intelectuall Nader Naderpour)
and thus depriving a more insightfull understanding of the causes of the revolution among a significant portion of our people.
my second point is, given that almost every Iranian belives that the Arabs and Islam had a huge impact on Iran (some say postive, and others say negative) and lookin at all the books that are written about Islam and rethinking Islam (books that are highly crtical of slam) such as books by Shojaa Aldin Shafa and Ali Mierfetros and like-minded authors . how are the Arabs treated in this hugely popular books, what do these books and even books published in iran say about Arabs?? Arab sosmar khor!!! Savage Arab vs noble Persian!!!
and these are books that are suppose to teach us and lead the way into the new millinum (as claimed by their authors and their supporters.
despite all the claims that are made about knowing our history and impact of Arab culture on Iran , there is a lack of DECENT books on the subject of the history and culture of Pre-Islamic Arabia (not that such books do not exist in other languages such as arabic). I myself only know of only one which is a univercity text book translated from Arabic and only published in 2000 copies and sold very poorly.
there was an attempt to publish a translation of an encyclopedic book but the project was not finished.
most "serious" history books in iran refer to arabs as uncivilized and savages without giving a real and honest(let me repeat honest) anylsis of Pre-Islamic Arab culture and history.


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wow!

by Anonymous10000 (not verified) on

Democratic government in Iran? hm well i don't see us Iranians as democratic, and it doesn't matter who or what the government is. We are not people who follow laws? ever been somewhere when an Iranian proudly talks about how he used an ingenious plan to con the police, or another person? I see a lot of them, and until every single Iranian learns to respect the rights of others, Iran will not become democratic. Our problems do not arise from the government, it arises from its people. You can boast about your Persian-ness, Arian-ness, or whatever the race you are but you are not just! you are not a law abiding person, you are a person who drives through a one way streets and then joke about it, you are a person who smokes in a small cafe with closed door and ignore the fact that your second hand smoking can kill others, you are a person who cannot stand the beliefs of another person be it Islam, Judaism, Bahai; you are a person who does not understand what it means to follow the LAW. and until you learn to understand what law means, and until you, the Iranian who reads this, learns what is the right of others, and doesn't try to see how everything is his own right then we might start to understand how we can have a democratic government. Believe it or not, governments are not aliens, they arise from the people.


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Genocide Watch

by From Genocide Watch (not verified) on

All Iranians are on tribal Arab Islamists’ genocide list. Islamic Republic of Iran is on this mission. Read your Ferdowsi and be Iranian proudly and take control.

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What bothers Mr. Madadi the most (in his own words)

by manesh on

 

 

"by Ben Madadi

#08 Tue Aug 28, 2007 09:04 AM PDT

You know what most affected me, and most other Azerbaijanis, and has since added to their feelings against the Iranians regime???? It was Iranian regime's help to Armenia. Believe me that this is the ticking point... "

 

from: //iranian.com/main/2007/azerbaijan-iran 

His concern is not so much what happens to Azaris IN IRAN, but what position Iran takes that affects the OTHER Azarbaijan. Does this make clear where his true loyalty lies?   

So, in order to be GOOD Iranians in the eyes of Mr. Madadi, Iran should be a surrogate of the government of Azarbaijan? And "Aryanism", a term he invented and throws around liberally, is a lable for anyone who is not pan-turkic. 

 


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kalAme shomA neshAneye shoure shomAst

by marde momen (not verified) on

salAm bar hameye azizAn,

omidvAram farAmush nakonin keh tamAme in jarobas'hA rA mishe kard bA sohbati bA'ehteh'rAm. hAlA harki Akharesh dorost bAshe asan bar u amA age raveshash beh sAbet kardane haghighate bayAnesh benazare man ebrAzesh biarzesh mishe. mA hamamun irAni hastim che Azari che baluch che ARAB che fars...che torkoman che lor che gilAki o mAzandarani... talysh o kord, bakhtiari o qashqai, afshAri va armani, Asuri, jamshidi, tAt o pAshtu, hazarA o tAjik...har keh irAni hoviyatash rA mishnAseh irAnist.

darzem benazareh man miyAd keh AghAyeh Madadi shAyad yekam eghrAr mikonan dar morede khatare chenin idiolezhihA amA dar iruniAne parAkande benazare man in moshkele dogAnegi dar hoviyatemAn dar zabAne ingilisi beh khosoos dar emrikA moshkele kalAnist...
yeh ede migan mA "Iranian" hastim o yeh ede "Persian".

man migam "Iranian-American" yA "Iranian" beh khAter in chand tA dalil:

1) keshvari beh nAme "Persia" dige vojud nadAre.
2) man qomam faqat fars nist va beh nazare man bakhshesh qomiat'hA va nejAd parasti chize bimanteqist.
3) hamAntor keh IRI say mikone keh irAn rA "arabicize" koneh, rezA shAh va pesarash har do irAn rA say kardan "Persianize" konan taqriban hamuntor keh AghAyeh madadi yekam tozi dAdan. nashAn'olism hekAyate sAkhte shodast.
4) beh nazare man, kheyli irAniAn dar emrikA 'assume' mikonan keh tarafe ghayre irAni hichi nemidune rAjebe irAn va hatman - khodAyA nakarde - eshtebAi fekr kone irAni budan yeh chizist mesle - bAz ham khodAyA nakarde - arab budan...yA hameye irAnihA arab astand. keh taraf chenin fekri nakone beh tarze defAi hoviyate khodesh rA moarefi mikone be "Persian". Darzem hamin irAniAn keh khodeshun rA beh hoviyate "Persian" moarefi mikonan migan keh "Farsi" sohbat mikonan beh jaayeh inkeh began "Persian" yA... har zabune digeye irAni keh shAyad sohbat mikonan vali hameshe beh zabune fArsi elAm mikonan che zabuni sohbat mikonan. zabune fArsi dar zabAne ingilisi "Persian" ast na "Farsi". Bad tar az hameye hoviyat paridan az "Persian" beh "Iranaian" va gheyre ineh keh zabAn rA beh zabuneh khodet begi...in kAmelan gheyre manteqist va age mikhAi begi "Persian" asti hade aghal begu keh "Persian" ham sohbat mikoni na "Farsi"...man hanuz keh hanuze in sighe rA nafahmidam.

har ki mikhAd bas kone bege haghashe keh bege hoviyatash "Persian" ast dar zabAne ingilisi man bAhAshun movAfegh nistam amA mitunam ehterAm begzAram beh chenin barkhodi amA u shakhsi keh beh zabAne khodash mige "Farsi" dar zabAne ingilisi man dige nemifahmam. Age "Persian" asti khob begzAr zabAnetam "Persian" bAshe dige hAlA cherA esrAr dAri hamechi rA ghAti pAti begi?

asan "Farsi" az didgAhe zabAn shenAsi gheyre manteq'i'e. mesle inkeh man begam "bandeh kheyli zabAn'hAyeh mokhtalefi baladam. masalan arabic, english, frances, deutsch, va espanol." chenin jomle'i rA beh kAr bebaram dar zabAne fArsi asan mani dAre?? khob pas chetor mishe goft "I speak Farsi."????????????????

khodam shoru kardam bA sho'Ar o beh kojA residam.

yeki beh dAdam beres!


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Spain the good example

by Kamangir on

Yes, dear friend. Arabic influenced Castilian and to a lesser degree other languages. There are many Persian words in English and other languages. However, never in the history of modern Spain the national anthem became arabic, Spaniards do not have names such as Abdolah, Mohammad, Hassan or Hussain. They do not cherish and love their arabic invaders, they do not use arabic words for the most basic daily expressions such as hello or thanks. They do not live by arabic and islamic way of life as we still do. I don't see greeks remembering their Turkish Ottoman invaders as heros. However in Iran we are sold the story of cruel persian kings and kingdoms and how Iranians accepted Islam with open arms. Our history books do not mention the severe popular insurgency against arab invaders they do not mention who Babak Khorramdin, Yahoughobe leise Saffari, Maziar, Sanbad were. They do not say that the origins of 'zurkhane' is to be found in years after the invasion, where persians were banned from practicing their military skills. This has nothing to do with the respectable Iranians of Arab background in khuzestan. This is about the ancestors of those arab invaders called Omar, Ali, Hassan and others who still hate what's left of our persian culture. They have tried to replace Norouz by mediocre arabo-muslim events, our mehrgan, charshanbe soori are oficially regarded as 'against islamic values' just have a look our current calendar, it's all about the birth and death or Arabs. The relocation and stablishment of many arabic tribes into persia changed the future of Iran. The that future is none other than our present.

Regards


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You seem to be desperately

by zitoulak (not verified) on

You seem to be desperately trying to scare people of the forthcoming change of the current satanic regime in Iran, and have a poor knowledge of Persian history and the composition of its people. Go enjoy your Ramazan fasting with your "brothers" brother !


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To Anonymous11

by Shams Tabrizi (not verified) on

Anonolyous 11 Jaan

Man ghorboonet begradam. Azaris, Persians, Kurds, Baluchis, Gilakis,... have lived in peace in Iran for thousands of years. They all have protected Iran with their lives.

This guy is most likely a mozdoor trying to divide Iranian for their his or his masters satisfactions.

Zendeh Baad Azarabaadegan, Paayadeh Baad Iran


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Iranian Racism

by Hanif (not verified) on

Anti-Arab bigotry is bullshit, and I'm sick of hearing it from pompous, racist members of our Iranian community. I'm sick of hearing Iranians whining about how "you don't onderestand ser, vi are not arabs". Actually, many Iranians ARE Arabs, and they're decent, loyal citizens like the rest of us. And What the hell is wrong with Arabic words entering the Persian language? Do you see Spaniards "purging" the more than 40% of Arabic words and phrases that make up Castillian. Iran was ruled, among others, by Arabs (and Mongols, Turks, Greeks etc). Each of these groups left an impact. Big deal, it's history. Trying to purge Persian of its Arabic is like trying to purge English of its Latin. Exactly, it's bullshit.

Thoughtful Iranians, myself included, take tremendous pride in the ethno-linguistic-religious diversity of Iranian society. While I do believe (for reasons of national security) in a national language at this time, I would encourage my fellow Iranian Persians to make an effort to learn other languages that dot our marze por gohar.


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I am proud of being Azari...

by Anonymous11 (not verified) on

Mr. Madadi,
I am a proud Azari and I am sick and tired of IRI mistreating us. But not I, not any Azari will buy your garbage which is aimed at:
1. scaring us (Azaris) from regime change.
2. making division among Azaris and Farsis.

I have seen an Aryanist (as you call it) regime during the Pahalvi and an Fundementalist Islamic one right now, and by all means every Azari I know prefers the Aryanist by leaps and bounds.

Your methods are old and you have to come up with new and more creative ways of fooling fellow Azaris.

zendeh bad Iran.


Jeesh Daram

If we levy taxes on usage of

by Jeesh Daram on

If we levy taxes on usage of words; the silence will enrich us.


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Get a life!!

by bichareh (not verified) on

What are you trying to prove? Who are you trying to prove your point to? If you think you have an audience in Iranian intelegensia, your are mistaken. The fact that others put time and effort to answer your "brain droppings" is only to clarify some points for the passive observer. Do not take yourself seriously.

This "arajif" have been sain before. Do not think for a moment that you have come up with a solution to your "lost identity". What is it that you're looking for? You already have an identity, my friend; you're Iranian for god sakes!!!

Stop bitching about Azeris being treated as second class in IRI. We are all treated like that. I bet when you're in a Azeri grouping you speak Azeri, and where you are in a parsi group you speak parsi. And I bet when you are in a mixed group, you speak Azeri with no respect for others. And I bet you enjoy jokes that start with; "yek rooz yeh torkeh..." but refrain from telling one in a Persian group...

Get over it buddy, there are jokes made for every class and ethnicity in every country. The point is to be comfortable with who you are. By the way, I may have some Azeri blood in me?! What does that really mean?


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Dear Friends.....

by Shams Tabrizi (not verified) on

Dear Friends:

Please do not respond to this delusional idiot.


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Aryan=Indo-Iranian (modern

by Anonymous3 (not verified) on

Aryan=Indo-Iranian (modern definition). Get a good dictionary instead of wasting user's time with your pan-Turkist crap. And Azeris are turkified Iranic speakers. It is an ethnic group (Iranic speakers)(Aryan) not a race by definitions in any modern dictionary. It has been used in post-Islamic times. Hamzeh Esfahani calls Iran as Aryan 200 years after Islam and says it is the same as Persia. Just like the word Azerbaijan/Azerbaijani is not Turkic and has a clear Persian meaning, it is the same with Iran which has a clear etymology. The issue has nothing to do with Germany, where-as pan-Turkism is guily of Armenian/Greek/Kurdish genocides and the issue is indeed regionaly related.


manesh

Note to those who reply to this guy:

by manesh on

The author here is not quite balanced.

My excperince is that anyone who does not fully support his wacky  notions, not only will not get an intelligent reply, but will be called an "aryanist", whatever that's supped to mean.

 


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Dear Ben: with all due

by Nay (not verified) on

Dear Ben: with all due respect, what have you been smoking?

People don't like the Islamic Republic simply because it's Islamic???

Are you sure you're ok??? The fake Islamist nature of the regime has nothing to do for being despised...It has to do with being the most corrupt, incompetent, and murderous kleptocracy. You can't really define it as a theocracy. It's pure oligarchal kleptocracy.

Many prominenet Islamic scholars disapprove of the Khomeinist version of Islam and they think the IR is doing a great disservice to the religion of Islam...The Sunnis are offended and are tickef off and many Shiites don't accept the khomeinist version of Shia...


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Safavids knew their

by Anonymous2 (not verified) on

Safavids knew their ancestors 160 years ago (not 300 years ago). They kept a record of their geneology, but only changed it to Seyyedship. Iranians (Iranics) never had a problem with jews.. I would watch your own racism with Armenians which was shown through your previous message. Afterall Armenian presence in the region pre-dates Turkic one at least 1500 years! We can see the real problem is pan-Turkism (genocide of Armenians, Greeks, Kurds) and also pan-Turkism in the caucus is partly at fault in the Karabagh war. Also if Azerbaijanis are Turks, then their history starts from 500-600 years ago when Turkification began. Anyone can comeup with their own definition of being Iranian. But it has multiple meaning and obviously people connected to Sassanid Iran rather than 500-600 years ago might feel more Iranian. I think you need to work on your definition of what is a "Turk" instead of trying to define "Iranian" which has existed since Avesta times.


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What nonsense. Safavids

by Anonymous1 (not verified) on

What nonsense. Safavids madeup their Seyyedship to hide their Kurdish identity. Also the real danger is pan-Turkism:Armenian Genocide, Greek Genocide, Kurdish Genocide. Iranic people never commited genocides like Altaic-Turkic groups did. That is a fact of history.


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Arabic national Anthem

by Kamangir on

For couple of years in Iran (the first couple of years after the so called revolution) the nation anthem of Iran was in a language we Iranians do not understand, why? because it was in Arabic (Anjaza, anjaza...) were the first word of the anthem. I do not of any other similar case in the world where the national anthem of a country is in a foreign language. This is very serious and is in fact one of many other attempts by the Islamists in Iran to 'Arabize' Iran. As for the Aryanhood that some Iranians proclaim, by now we should all know that tha's simply a myth. Iran is a mix of races, whith heavy arabic presence (ethincally) all over Iran, therefore Iran is a mix of Persian, Arabic, Jewish(converted to Islam when Arabs invaded persia) and moghols. However, just as Italy, france and Spain and other countries are a mix of races, there must at leat be a predominant official language which in our case is Persian. There is a real threat against our persian heritage, as Iran is becoming more and more similar to Basra or Kerbala...Arabic  first names in Iran outnumber the Persian ones and our written and spoken persian language has heavily been influenced by the Arabic. The buliding of the Sivand dam is not a coincidence.  The only reason our country is not in Arabic league, is because our language is not 100% arabic. A good replacement for the current mafia in Iran would be a democratic goverment maybe a republic that respects our national heritage. Aranysm and similar stuff is a joke that should'n be taken seriously. However, the Arabism and seyyedism  should be taken very seriously (a serious threat) to Iran and the entire region.

Ferdowsi says: Ze Iran o torkano tazian, nejadi padid ayad dar mian. Na dehghano torko tazi bowad, sokhanan be kerdade bazi bowad.

Please note: that by using the word tork, ferdowsi was referring to the torkemen tribes, descendants of the moghols that invaded persia.

Regards