It is a very sad day in Iranian history when an American presidential candidate needs to threaten to “obliterate” Iran so as to be elected.
The question that every Iranian needs to ask: “Why has Hillary suddenly transformed into a testes endowed nuclear warmonger?”
Is it the fact that the largest economy of the world, which is driven by the military industrial complex and uses 25% of the planets oil, has concluded that only Iran stands in its way to controlling 60% of the globe's known petrochemical reserves?
Or, is it because it is only Iran that stands in the way of the apartheid-like behavior of the Zionists?
Surely it can’t be because of the nonsense that Ahmadinejad likes to utter because any well informed American “leader” knows he is a light weight nobody that will soon vanish into the pages of time.
So, why did Hillary suddenly decide she had to show she had bigger balls then all her rivals, even bigger than those hanging from that neurotic that sang that Beach Boys song and wants a third Bush term?
Here is a hint: follow the money.
At current prices the oil that sits below Iraqi soil is estimated to be worth over forty trillion dollars, and Iran has about the same. That’s with a “T” and twelve zeros!
For a superpower in decline, with China and India rapidly advancing into the realm of potential superpowers, and the European Union slowly eclipsing the United States, gaining control of the lifeblood of the global economy is the only path that guarantees Americas “vital national interests”, which is equivalent to the continued domination of the world’s economy.
The American Establishment would never have given Bush Cheney Inc. the green light to invade Iraq if the stakes were not so high. The only problem is that they were sold a cheap occupation that now is approaching two trillion dollars in costs, which in actual fact are not costs, but a transfer of American taxpayer money into the coffers of the military industrial complex.
Obliterating Iran has many benefits for the American Empire. It clears the path for controlling the planets remaining significant petrochemical reserves, which therefore guarantees that America’s addiction to oil need not go into withdrawal.
Obliterating Iran also has the added benefit of removing the only remaining obstacle for Zionists from placing the Palestinians into reservations, a process that is taking place in Iraq today.
America was built through the genocide of Native Indians and the continued existence of America requires the same mindset, which the current Cowboy in Chief has put on display for all to see.
Question is will Iranians and Iraqis willingly play the part of Indians in this game of twenty first century cowboys and Indians?
And if you don’t agree with any of the above then what are those forts for that are being built in Iraq? Don’t know what forts are? Hint: They built a lot of them in “Redskin country”.
Further reading
* New York Times: The Big Thirst
* commondreams.org: Unraveling Iraq
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Seek help
by sadegh on Thu Apr 24, 2008 03:31 PM PDTWill the deceit ever end...you did quote me, and I provided sources...it's all very simple...but you obviously thought that I would come up blank since you generally just make up your insults which you try to pass off for insight...only a pathological fantasist could reach such heights of delusion...Seek help please...
Please calm down
by Fred on Thu Apr 24, 2008 03:24 PM PDTI apologize for qouting you directly.
Parthian
by Dariush (not verified) on Thu Apr 24, 2008 03:12 PM PDTYour name is a proof to your statement and clearly shows how off (part) you are and there is no need for me to make any comments on your crap. Just don't get too cocky! Release some of the air from your head before your head blow-off!
You zionist have a story about David and Glyes and the story of Fer-oh. You should read them and see bullies someday will pay. Even though David was nothing but a gangster, criminal and a womanizer, but you might still learn a lesson! You Zionists are digging a hole for others, but you could end up in it yourself! If you want peace don't make threats! get out and stop you government who is actually wiping out others from committing genocide, this will save your country and others!
Wow!!! You're officially psychotic...
by sadegh on Thu Apr 24, 2008 03:02 PM PDTI provide you with clear verification for your queries, and all you can do is baulk at it...That really does prove who is on the side of rational argument and who is on the side of psychotic dementia - you're really far gone - YOU ARE THE OBFUSCATOR WHO HAS NOTHING WORTH WHILE TO SAY!!! I have referred you to sources while you on the other hand have just thrown slime and dirt in keeping with your slug-like demeanor....
Tragic Fred
by sadegh on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:55 PM PDTAt least others and myself bother to write, fashion an argument and submit articles, as opposed to writing short, snide and rather sad comments, all under the pretence of making a point...Just plain sad Fred...You are just a real downer man, lighten up, try some positivity instead of spreading your hateful and cantankerous jibes and jabs.
Obfuscation of the Pontificator
by Fred on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:52 PM PDTWhen you state something as in: :"What I do know and what has been widely publicized and on the historical record is that Bush has said on Israeli television (and numerous other venues) that the nuclear option regarding Iran was on the table, that the US has drawn up plans to attack 200 sites in Iran, and these are all framed in an offensive context" and then try to change it and at the same time lecture and admonish others on virtue of truthfulness, it just leaves one wondering about your.., you know what, forget it.
Here are some more...
by sadegh on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:48 PM PDTI also refer you to Scott Ritter's (a Republican, former US Marine and weapons inspector) book 'Target Iran' and the articles of Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker of which there are many. Here are two for your edification:
//www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact
//www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/10/08/071008fa_fact_hersh
Let me guess, they're both Islamists, the New Yorker is run by Islamists and Hersh in all likelihood is an Islamist 'self-loathing Jew'??? Fred, you're hilarious...lol..take your one-man show on the road already...
Bush setting America up for war with Iran
by sadegh on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:38 PM PDT"Pentagon planners have developed a list of up to 2,000 bombing targets in Iran, amid growing fears among serving officers that diplomatic efforts to slow Iran's nuclear weapons programme are doomed to fail.
Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead to a military showdown with Iran."
//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/16/wiran116.xml
Let me guess again Fred, the London Telegraph (a British conservatively inclined paper) has been taken over by Islamists?? lol
Hillary is not fit to be the president of the United States!!
by Anonymous-2 (not verified) on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:37 PM PDTHillary Clinton could not have gone any lower in her grab for the Jewish votes and to appease Israel in order to get elected. She is prepared to up her already dirty political tactics by threatening with destruction another state in the Middle East that poses no threat to the US.
Seizing upon a question as to how she would respond to a nuclear attack by Iran, which doesn't have nuclear weapons, on Israel, which does, Hillary mocked reasoned discourse by promising to "totally obliterate them," in reference to the population of Iran; that is murder of 70,000,000 people. That is not a word gaffe; it is an assertion of the right of the U.S. to commit genocide on an unprecedented scale.
One would expect that the potential leader of a nation that used nuclear bombs to obliterate hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese employ extreme caution before making such a threat? To approve such collective punishment of innocents is to endorse terrorism.
Both John McCain and Hillary endorsed the Iraq war, but for Clinton to raise the rhetoric against Iran is hardly the path to Mideast peace, whether it concerns Israel or Iraq. It is outrageous that a politician who bought into the phony threat about Iraq's nonexistent WMD arsenal now plays political games with a non-existent threat posed by Iran.
The threat to “obliterate” Iran is dangerous recklessness. What though has this woman given to the implicit threat Israel makes to the rest of the region with its own nuclear arsenal? How does she imagine that such talk will play with the Iranians?
Clinton's is ill informed and amoral politicking of the worst kind.
This is the foreign politics of the madhouse. It demonstrates the same ignorance that has distinguished Bush's foreign relations. It offers only violence where there should be negotiations and war where there could be peace. Hillary, just demonstrated to everyone that if she were the next occupant of the White House, Iraq-like death and destruction would be the order of the day.
This is a person who is barely fit to run for office, let along sit behind the most powerful desk in the world.
Bush warns Iran on nuclear plans
by sadegh on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:34 PM PDT"All options are on the table," said Mr Bush, when asked about the possible use of force during an interview for Israeli TV.
//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4147892.stm
Let me guess Fred, the BBC are Islamists??? lol
May I ask are you an Israeli Likud member? If you are an Israeli hawk, please let us know.
To the long winded truth pontificator
by Fred on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:25 PM PDTYou state:"What I do know and what has been widely publicized and on the historical record is that Bush has said on Israeli television (and numerous other venues) that the nuclear option regarding Iran was on the table, that the US has drawn up plans to attack 200 sites in Iran, and these are all framed in an offensive context" Please provide link to this claim of yours
Wolf Under Sheep Skin
by Dariush (not verified) on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:19 PM PDTHillary is a republican brain under democratic face. She is the Zionist's plan B for McCain.
She will continue the bush/Chaney/McCain policy in the future. She is part of the game.
She as McCain will be a disaster for U.S. and world if she become president.
The Politics of Obliteration
by ET (not verified) on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:12 PM PDTTough guy Hillary Clinton, on the morning of a critical primary vote in Pennsylvania, uttered a monstrous threat, saying on ABC's "Good Morning America program today that if Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel while she was president, "we would be able to totally obliterate them."
//www.counterpunch.org/lindorff04242008.html
Rebuttal of Parthian
by sadegh on Thu Apr 24, 2008 01:44 PM PDTLack objectivity, fairness, and logical mind. That is why they kill everyone else who does not agree with them.
Who kills everyone? You're so vague that your points become absolutely meaningless you illiterate and uncivilized philistine. Please read a book and educate yourself before you spout off more of your toxic rubbish. I will show here who exactly is the one devoid of objectivity, fairness etc…
Look at this Sadegh guy going nuts..
Yes liars and propagandists do slightly irritate me, and yes thanks for engaging my points - oh yeah, that's right you completely skirt the issue because you would not know if a rational argument bit you on the ass...to reiterate: you are illiterate and uneducated, again please read a book... I will paste here my point once again in italics so it is clear for you:
What place does the question regarding 'an Iranian nuclear strike against Israel' even have in the debate regarding the Democratic presidential nomination??? - seriously how blind are you - the fact hasn’t even been established that Iran has ever had a nuclear weapons program and even if you accept the NIE, which analysts like Scott Ritter have argued to be suspect, IF Iran had previously pursued a nuclear weapons program it ceased to do so as of 2003 - so yes, there is a context to Clinton's remarks - of course she is not going to just come out and say 'we're gonna obliterate Iran for no reason whatsoever' - your argument is completely mendacious - that would show them to be the aggressors they so clearly are. Second, AIPAC doesn't just affect US-Palestinian relations genius, it affects many Middle Eastern regimes' relationships with the US (particularly those that are hostile or Israel deems hostile and not in sync with its own interests) and has been convincingly shown in Walt and Mearsheimer's book on the topic, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, with respect to Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Palestinians (oh yeah, the Palestinian people and the PA are not the same thing - and even if the Palestinian people, who I am sure have no interest in the issue, disagree with Iran's entitlement to the disputed islands, does eveyone have to agree with us all of the time or fear being our enemies?). The point is why such a question is even being asked of Clinton on morning television (for which her rhetoric was more than prepared so as to capitalize on more of the conventional politics of fear), unless the mood is already set for war and decision-makers of both major parties in Washington have already made up their minds irrespective of the facts and the disastrous consequences of such action. It has nothing to do with the 'appropriate context' of Clinton’s remarks as the apologists amongst you have claimed.
Again, look at the statement she made, don't mis-state. This is not the IRIB news, there are vast resources to get the news.
Yes exactly, how about you try reading them - the book I mentioned was written by Professors at Chicago and Harvard, where are your sources based you illiterate and uncivilized philistine?...again read a book for your own sake at the very least.
This is not your typical brainwashing Islamic propaganda. Hillary stated that She would destroy Iran if Iran attacks Israel!
It's ok I see you are far too simple minded to see my point since you are after all an illiterate and uneducated philistine - if you do actually want to debate please see my point rebutting you to which you failed to respond - of course like all Islamo-fascists you just insult and blather on about all of your racist and bigoted preconceptions - of course that is because you are an illiterate philistine.
That makes total sense after all the rhetoric we have heard from Antarinejad and the rest of the IR mafia. Don't be a moron, don't confuse me correcting your misrepresentation of that statement with supporting any war, or action.
First of all you've confused yourself you dunce. The IRI's constitution denies the president, no matter how stupid he may in fact be, from launching a military strike against another nation-state. But why am I really surprised that you didn't know that - you are after all an illiterate and barbaric philistine.
I am just trying to show the islamist idiots that there will be consequence to their WORDS and ACTIONS.
What about the consequence for some 1000 US military bases in 150 countries across the globe, the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the support of scores of tyrannical governments from Mubarak to Suharto - and what about the consequence of the Israeli occupation of the West Back and Gaza, the Golan Heights and Sheba Farms in Lebanon? What about the 10,000 political prisoners held in captivity in Israel without due process and tortured - you are a hypocrite and a barbarian because for you justice is only to be implemented by the strong on the weak or not at all - that is the very definition of hypocrisy - historical ignorance is a tragic thing - you're really just embarrassing yourself you illiterate and uneducated philistine.
Another idiot is Abarmard who thinks Obama will be any different than Hillary. Obviously, this guy is been living in the fantasy land.
Abarmard may be incorrect here, but again you just reveal your lack of basic human decency and civility because you are an uneducated and illiterate philistine when you insult him. You should be ashamed of yourself – who gives you the right to insult and slander people – especially such an ignorant and crude individual such as yourself. Learn some basic manners and courtesy before you learn how to read please. Though I agree, there is no guarantee that Obama can fundamentally bring about a change in US foreign policy. He has proved unwilling to question the consensus of unconditional support for Israel, though he has at the very least agreed to talk directly with Tehran to solve the nuclear impasse. This isn't a remarkable improvement but it's certainly better that the fabrication of phantom threats to Israel with phantom Iranian nuclear war heads that don't even exist.
The fact is that you can bring a peace loving martian to U.S and make him a president. If Israel attacks, no doubt the martian will turn Iran into a parking lot.
I take it you have officially lost it and are currently in a state of delirium, foaming at the mouth, as you're anally probed by E.T. My condolences...
Hillary's statement is true and genuine, and reflect the overwhelming majority of Americans.
Evidence??? Oh silly me, I forgot that Islamo-fascists don't need to rely on something called the burden of proof - they just spin their propaganda – again if only for the sake of consistency, you illiterate and uneducated philistine.
You islamist can kill yourself all you want, but if you mess with Israel, as an Ally of U.S, there will be consequences.
Firstly, who has said they are an Islamist here? And who said they want to kill themselves? If you’re feeling suicidal, please don’t hold back on my account. Second, you obviously know nothing about Iranian politics or the Middle East in general. Iran hasn't launched a war of aggression in hundreds of years and has no plans to invade Israel as far as I know (nor have any been publicized in the public domain). What I do know and what has been widely publicized and on the historical record is that Bush has said on Israeli television (and numerous other venues) that the nuclear option regarding Iran was on the table, that the US has drawn up plans to attack 200 sites in Iran, and these are all framed in an offensive context - i.e. they are plans for a war of aggression. Second, it is well-known that the US has had commandos operating inside Iran since 2004, and is provoking unrest amongst certain ethnic and tribal groups – by all accounts that is a casus belli – an act of war against Iran. Reconnaissance and various other activities have been undertaken by the British – it has now come out that the British naval officers were in disputed waters, though at the time they systematically distorted this fact. I don’t expect you to be familiar with such ‘frivolous’ details since you are an uneducated and illiterate philistine and Islamo-fascist.
So the best thing to do is to ensure that Antarinejad shut his pie hole, and conduct diplomacy like a civilized monkey would, pretty much like his predecessor Seyyed Khandan.
Yes, by your beautiful and eloquent prose I can see how inclined to diplomacy you must be. ‘Antarinejad’, ‘pie hole’, ‘monkey’ – I have to ask where did you learn such diplomatic tact??? I do have to congratulate you on one point though, you incredibly managed to sound even more ignorant and stupid than Ahmadinejad, so kudos!! Should I really expect anything different from a rude, pompous, ill-informed and ignorant, uneducated philistine…Obviously not!
There is little tolerance left in the west for terrorism. Even Europeans are on board. Another major attack on an urban area, and You will have more than regime change in the middle east. And you know what, it is about time. The mullahs have been getting away with it for that last 30 years.
There is little tolerance in the East for Western state sponsored terrorism and colonialism as well. Supporting Saddam Hussein, Mubarak, the Saudi dictatorship (Wahabi Islamists who don’t even let women drive you hypocrite), General Zia al-Huq (another Islamist for your information, who brought al-Zarqawi to Afghanistan you ignoramus), Suharto (another murderous tyrant), Pinochet (another mass murderer), the despotic and murderous generals of Argentina and Greece, I can of course continue – but since you probably can’t even remember yesterday, why should I expect you to remember any of this you illiterate and uneducated philistine…
At some point, there is consequence for their actions. Instead of creating a culture of martyrdom, and at the same time filling their, and their cronies pocket in the west(many on this board) full of oil cash, may be they should worry about bread and butter for the poor Iranians. How dumb can you be?
NO SERIOUSLY HOW DUMB CAN YOU BE??? Where do Abarmard or I or any of the people here for that matter defend the IRI??? Nowhere you Islamo-fascist propagandist and downright cowardly liar!!! We are against a devastating strike on Iran for the sake of the Iranian people who have suffered far too much in recent history. I am in Iran at the moment so maybe keep your mouth shut and stop jabbering on from the comfort of your living room in Tehrangeles or wherever the hell you are.
Even if you are making weapons, why do you go out there and talk about wiping other countries, and act like you are the big dog, when you know you leash is being pulled from London anyway...
I see you have been reading your Nazi propaganda and Goebbels (perhaps not, I forgot, you can’t read can you). Just stop embarrassing yourself, alleging stupid and baseless accusations without a shred of evidence apart from the ranting of someone i.e. you, who I can only assume is writing from a mental asylum, wait scratch that, that’s an insult to the mentally ill…no, I think you’re definitely being anally probed by E.T. Seriously, it's people such as you who confirm the misrepresentation of Iranians as 'backward Orientals', who see conspiracy theories everywhere without any evidence, rhyme or reason.
antari is the dumbest fool with a Ph D, although there are few on this BB that come a close second...
Again and finally, you have no class, no manners, no courtesy, no intelligence, no arguments, no evidence or anything worth while…You are simply a racist, bigoted, self-loathing, mentally deranged Islamo-fascisti!!!!
"obliterating" a nation? But why?
by ET (not verified) on Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:56 PM PDTBy Joseph A. Palermo
In this prolonged presidential campaign season we've heard bellicose rhetoric from candidates from both parties. John McCain has sung a little ditty about bombing Iran. Hillary Clinton recently promised to "obliterate" Iran if that nation acted outside of the bounds of U.S. policy in the region. What does Ms. Clinton mean by "obliterate?" Dropping a nuclear bomb on an Iranian city? Launching air strikes against Iranian targets related to its nuclear program? Does she wish to follow the advice of Joe Lieberman and Jon Kyl and use American military power for "regime change" in Iran? This kind of "tough talk" coming from presidential hopefuls raises serious questions about the judgment of these people.
Any attack on Iran will be a disaster for the United States. A nuclear attack is unthinkable. The nations in the region will not tolerate any nation, even the United States, throwing around atom bombs near their borders. The reaction from Turkey, Pakistan, Russia, and even the U.S.-backed regime in Iraq would be unpredictable and volatile. Anyone who seeks to appeal to voters' base instincts by joking about bombing countries or talks about "obliterating" a nation of 70 million people turns Robert Kennedy's 40-year-old plea on its head by saying: "Many More Vietnams."
//www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/rob...
What I mean by reservations.
by Mohammad Alireza on Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:20 PM PDTIn the article I have referred to Iraqi's and Palestinians being placed in reservations similar to Native Americans. Here is an article that just got posted that addresses this issue:
The New Walls of Baghdad
//www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/22/845...
Mohammad Alireza
Fanatical muslims also
by Parthian on Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:29 AM PDTLack objectivity, fairness, and logical mind. That is why they kill everyone else who does not agree with them. Look at this Sadegh guy going nuts..
Again, look at the statement she made, don't mis-state. This is not the IRIB news, there are vast resources to get the news. This is not your typical brainwashing Islamic propaganda.
Hillary stated that She would destroy Iran if Iran attacks Israel! That makes total sense after all the rhetoric we have heard from Antarinejad and the rest of the IR mafia. Don't be a moron, don't confuse me correcting your misrepresentation of that statement with supporting any war, or action. I am just trying to show the islamist idiots that there will be consequence to their WORDS and ACTIONS.
Another idiot is Abarmard who thinks Obama will be any different than Hillary. Obviously, this guy is been living in the fantasy land.
The fact is that you can bring a peace loving martian to U.S and make him a president. If Israel attacks, no doubt the martian will turn Iran into a parking lot. Hillary's statement is true and genuine, and reflect the overwhelming majority of Americans. You islamist can kill yourself all you want, but if you mess with Israel, as an Ally of U.S, there will be consequences.
So the best thing to do is to ensure that Antarinejad shut his pie hole, and conduct diplomacy like a civilized monkey would, pretty much like his predecessor Seyyed Khandan. There is little tolerance left in the west for terrorism. Even Europeans are on board. Another major attack on an urban area, and You will have more than regime change in the middle east. And you know what, it is about time. The mullahs have been getting away with it for that last 30 years. At some point, there is consequence for their actions. Instead of creating a culture of martyrdom, and at the same time filling their, and their cronies pocket in the west(many on this board) full of oil cash, may be they should worry about bread and butter for the poor Iranians.
How dumb can you be? Even if you are making weapons, why do you go out there and talk about wiping other countries, and act like you are the big dog, when you know you leash is being pulled from London anyway...antari is the dumbest fool with a Ph D, although there are few on this BB that come a close second...
Facts and fantasy
by Fred on Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:10 AM PDTThe Islamist and their lefty lap poodles are salivating at the thought of decline of American power so much so that facts become irrelevant to the fulfillment of their fantasy.
Iran is not a warmonger, US is
by Abarmard on Thu Apr 24, 2008 07:59 AM PDTThanks for this nice article. I enjoyed reading it and agree with your points. Those Iranians who hate the regime of Iran to the extend that are willing to destroy our national wealth are not worth arguing with. They will never do anything positive or negative for Iran and should be totally ignored during any debates. they tend to take the more powerful side, be it Israel against Palestinians, US against Iraqis or Iran.
Just think if an Iranian candidate said:
"I want the Americans to know that if I'm the president, we will attack the US".
Hillary is done. Go Obama
Wake up please and admit your hatred!
by sadegh on Thu Apr 24, 2008 07:57 AM PDTWhat place does the question regarding 'an Iranian nuclear strike against Israel' even have in the debate regarding the Democratic presidential nomination??? - seriously how blind are you - the fact hasn’t even been established that Iran has ever had a nuclear weapons program and even if you accept the NIE, which analysts like Scott Ritter have argued to be suspect, IF Iran had previously pursued a nuclear weapons program it ceased to do so as of 2003 - so yes, there is a context to Clinton's remarks - of course she is not going to just come out and say 'we're gonna obliterate Iran for no reason whatsoever' - your argument is completely mendacious - that would show them to be the aggressors they so clearly are. Second, AIPAC doesn't just affect US-Palestinian relations genius, it affects many Middle Eastern regimes' relationships with the US (particularly those that are hostile or Israel deems hostile and not in sync with its own interests) and has been convincingly shown in Walt and Mearsheimer's book on the topic, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, with respect to Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Palestinians (oh yeah, the Palestinian people and the PA are not the same thing - and even if the Palestinian people, who I am sure have no interest in the issue, disagree with Iran's entitlement to the disputed islands, does eveyone have to agree with us all of the time or fear being our enemies?). The point is why such a question is even being asked of Clinton on morning television (for which her rhetoric was more than prepared so as to capitalize on more of the conventional politics of fear), unless the mood is already set for war and decision-makers of both major parties in Washington have already made up their minds irrespective of the facts and the disastrous consequences of such action. It has nothing to do with the 'appropriate context' of Clinton’s remarks as the apologists amongst you have claimed. Wake up please and stop deluding yourselves, at least have the courage to admit that your hatred of the mullahs is so great that you would be willing to sacrifice the Iranian people at the hands of American nuclear weapons to eradicate the ayatollahs! Sorry, and I hate to break it to you, but at the first sign of nuclear weapons they would be on first class flights out of Mehrabad and only those too poor to leave would be left to suffer the attacks some here fanatically desire. Your hatred betrays you, just be honest, since I’m sure there are many in the closet on this site who concur with you horrendous and genocidal views…
Hillary qualified her
by Anonymousasw (not verified) on Thu Apr 24, 2008 07:13 AM PDTHillary qualified her statement by saying "IF" Iran attacks Israel...What do you expect??? If Israel is attacked by the mullahs, the US being Israel's ally would have to help Israel and retaliate...Iran is a suicidal nation with a "cause" beyond survival...It requires death and destruction for Mahdi to resurrect from the well...
We should thank Hillary!
by Anonym7 (not verified) on Thu Apr 24, 2008 07:00 AM PDTWe should thank Hillary, that is the best way to tell Iran to prepare itself. That tells Iranians that even the democrat wing of AIPAC is committed to destroy Iran.
And for those of you who are in AIPAC denial, here is what Georeg Soros says:
"I am not sufficiently engaged in Jewish affairs to be involved in the reform of AIPAC; but I must speak out in favor of the critical process that is at the heart of our open society. I believe that a much-needed self-examination of American policy in the Middle East has started in this country; but it can't make much headway as long as AIPAC retains powerful influence in both the Democratic and Republican parties. Some leaders of the Democratic Party have promised to bring about a change of direction but they cannot deliver on that promise until they are able to resist the dictates of AIPAC. Palestine is a place of critical importance where positive change is still possible. Iraq is largely beyond our control; but if we succeeded in settling the Palestinian problem we would be in a much better position to engage in negotiations with Iran and extricate ourselves from Iraq. The need for a peace settlement in Palestine is greater than ever. Both for the sake of Israel and the United States, it is highly desirable that the Saudi peace initiative should succeed; but AIPAC stands in the way. It continues to oppose dealing with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas."
AIPAC: American Israel Public Affairs Committee
امارات اسلامی شيعی عيران marg bar aaamerika
samsam1111Thu Apr 24, 2008 05:57 AM PDT
به مرگ مولا يم خامنه درد من فقط اسم نيست و درداه زياده مثلا در ام القراه شيعه تهران چرا امت بزبان مجوسان و نجسان حرف ميزنه و سنن کافرون گرامی دارد.به امامم گفتم عوض کنيد اين زبان ملعون را به زبان قوم علی و ولی او گويد کمی صبر ای علی اصغر زمان که بايد اين گاو ده من شيرده قوم عجم را بدوشيم گهی بيشتر و با ان امت عرب چاقالو کنيم و چاقو سازيم و به روز معين زبان بريم از عجم و زبان عوض کنيم از انان..قاه قاه قاه اخ تفن واق واق
جمهوری مهرورزان مسلمان حکومت عدل علی حکومت عن قلا بيون مسلمان
جمهوری عدالت اخوندی حکومت بازاريان ازاديخواه حکومت کمونيستهای مسلمان
ليست کم نظير زيره زيره
حکومت اشغالگر عربی حکومت اشغالگر اخوندی
حکومت الثانی ال خليفته فی ال موالی
العماراته العربيته ال ايرانيته
حکومت قاتلون ال عجم
ای اخوی حزبالهی چه در ملک عجم و چه در ملک کافرون ال اوورسيز مشغول جاسوسی با پول جزيه از عجم به ما خير رسان در باب اسمی عجم کور کن در باب امارات اسلامی شيعی عيران.
If Iran uses nuclear weapons on Israel, then....
by K Nassery on Thu Apr 24, 2008 05:26 AM PDTHilliary will obliterate Iran. I read the comments and the article and I didn't see someone give the parameters of when Hillary would remove Iran from the face of the planet.
I don't like Hillary and I don't want Iran removed from the planet.
Hillary is trying to get the votes of the Jewish population of the United States. She has made the calculation that the Muslim vote is going with Senator Obama.
I have noticed the change in American popular opinion against Iran since Ahmadinejad's frequent attacks. The media tells us that Iran is in a proxy war in Iraq constantly. I think the American population is willing to look at Iran as our great enemy so Hillary's words won't have a negative impact.
You can't trust the Bush Administration's evaluation of the Iranian nuclear military movement. The thing that bothers me is the Europeans believe that Iran is going to make the bomb. I also believe that Ahmadinejad wants the end of the world as does the Supreme Leader. So.... I think Iran would be willing to destroy Israel and Palestine with a nuclear attack. Hillary was just telling Iran that there will be a fallout if that attack takes place and Iran must know that there will be a punishment.
I don't understand why the US has to consider the attack on Israel in this way, but both Democratic and Republican leaders look on this as an attack on the US.
Iran should accept that this will be the outcome of an attempt to destroy Israel. Russia knew what would happen if they used nuclear weapons in the cold war. Pointing out the obvious is a good thing.
Arab mullah Regime has no Logic.Parthian is right
by samsam1111 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 05:15 AM PDTParthian and most sensible Irainians are right..remember hostage crisis?..buncha wanneh be communisy hezbollah morons attacked a defenceless embassy and the moron majority clapped for them like bozghaleh .what did Iran get?a war,thousands dead, billions lost..this arab regime needs bozghaleh & zombiis to folow & believe it,s bowlshit & paranoia all the way to beheshteh zahra.it all comes from lack of common sense.it,s 21st century & a buncha alien Arab mullahs are still ruling over us because naive masses get tricked by mullahs & agents game.keep FOCUSED on real enemy = Occupying Arab army in Iran..
Affirmation...
by Clintama (not verified) on Thu Apr 24, 2008 03:07 AM PDTI do not see Hillary Clinton having a choice in what she says if she wants to be allowed to become the president of our beloved USA. Can you even imagine any political candidate for even a local office, let alone the presidency of the United States, say anything else?
Without the approval (not just support) of what is known, in the absence of a better term, as the "jewish lobby" no one can even pass through the filtering appartus of either of the two ruling parties in the U.S. and become a potential final candidate. And, Hillary Clinton, being such a smart lady, has known this fact for a long time. She, and any other candidate for that matter, would not only say and indeed do "obliterate" Iran, they would "obliterate" even the whole humanity if that is what it takes to assure the "jewish lobby" and the "jewish state" of their loyalty to the sacred cause of worshiping the untouchable holy cow of international politics.
It is indeed a sad day for Iran. We would gain nothing by blaming Clinton for things in which she doesn't have a choice. As she reaffirms her committment to what has been manufactured into becoming the single most important cause in the U.S. foreign policy, patriotic Iranians better focus on how to get Iran out of the dark black hole dug by a regime who has been plundering Iran like no foreign enemy could for the past twenty nine years.
To Parthian
by Mohammad Alireza on Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:51 AM PDT.
To Parthian,
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The point is that Iran has no reason to attack Israel. Why would it do so? What could it possibly gain from doing so? Iran knows a pre-emptive conventional attack on a nuclear power would be suicide.
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Hillary’s statement was designed to reassure Jewish voters that they should not worry by having a women president because she was prepared to wage war just like the other male warmongers. Hillary was also signaling to the American Establishment that she supports the plans to take control of the Middle East, which is referred to by Bush as “succeeding in Iraq”.
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You should also read the article again as nowhere does it indicate a support for the current regime in Iran.
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The larger forces at work, the looming shortage of petrochemicals, is what places Iran in danger.
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Iranians have no business sticking their noses in the problems that Palestinians face and the Israelis have no business sticking their noses in Iran’s problems with Kurdish separatists. Maybe the fact that the Palestinians did not support Iran’s claims on the three islands in the Persian Gulf will be a wake up call.
Mohammad Alireza
Cowboys and Iranians
by Hasn (not verified) on Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:51 AM PDTIt is nice to see that there are some who can see the truth without getting confused by the media. I totally agree with Mr Mohamad Alireza. You do not need to get a Ph.D in world history and politics to see what this article suggests. Why else would US get involved in Iraq and spend billions, why is US trying hard for a regime change in Iran?, There are millions of people in America living well bellow poverty level, why aren’t the American politicians thinking about them?. Mr Mohamd Alireza's article is regrettably the truth which the world is facing today.
To Moron IR supporters...
by Parthian on Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:52 PM PDTWho love to call everyone zionist, and AIPAC..just remember how it feels when someone tells you that they are going to obliterate, or "wipe off" your country off the map. Just becareful what you say, I can see how you are hurting by this statement, even though the context was "IF IRAN ATTACKS ISRAEL....". this is not about jewish lobby, indeed any other country would defend her allies....IR has been saying the same thing about israel since late 1990s, starting with kuseh. another big difference is that U.S can actually obliterate Iran, but IR and Antarinejad are just farting out of their mouth...bunch of clueless idiots are putting the country at the risk of destruction for a bunch of tazi palestanians who would not think twice about destroying the Iran if Israel was not there...
YOu morons, Palestanians just voted in favor of UAE in the arab summit regarding the Iranian islands..YOu guys are bunch of traitors to be defending them...When Israel do that, believe me, I will be out here cursing them to heaven, not kissing their ass like you guys are doing to your muslim brothers...
Short and Sweet
by sadegh on Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:42 PM PDTVery nice article - short and sweet...Clinton is a creature of American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, everyone knows this (and she is pathetically resorting to every dirty trick from the Rove playbook and the politics of fear to swing voters in her direction) and Cheney et al have been planning to control the oil and gas supplies of Central Asia and the Middle East in some way or another since the Ford Administration - it's the only way they believe they can maintain their Empire and thwart the growth of China and India (they are increasingly conveying their barely suppressed hostility to both China and Russia and planning to use NATO and so-called ‘missile defense systems’ in Poland against the latter) - the rest of the world however will not sit idly by as this happens and what we are in fact seeing is the long road to Pax Americana's decline...