IRAN

USA out of ME

Here is the video
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USA out

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTKxNkenrW0

USA out of ME

what is our last line of defense against another kind of dogma.

//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5146778547...

I do not give up

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0UdesNyCow

Blue print........if I recall there have been

many who have shared what their blue print would be for a change in Iran.

• Some believe change should come through an evolutionary process without the interference of other countries. (How effective is this Process?)
• Some believe the change should come through a revolution (so much Iranian blood )
• Some believe other countries should interfer with Iran and bring about the change (Two names for you: Iraq and Afghanistan)
• Some believe that a secular government should replace the IRI and do away with Islam all together.
• Some believe a secular government should replace the IRI but be tolerant of Islam and other religions.
• Some believe only a Monarchy will do.
• The list goes on and on.

The real question is what is a viable solution for Iran? Does it really matter where the real solution or solutions come from?

solh va doosti

Nadia

Joe B. I understand what you mean......

but it is easier to tell someone to risk it all for change than for it to be done. My Iranian friends are women. I realize it is easier for those who are educated in Iran but not by much.

The women have seen what happens to those in Iran that choose to risk it all for freedom. I have seen the hangings and other hideous things done to people who risk it all for freedom on this very website.

How can I living in the US far away from Iran, expect and demand that my women friend risk it all for the freedom of Iran.

No offense but quoting great patriots is one thing but putting your own life in the line of fire is another matter.

solh va doosti

Nadia

USA - THE DWELLER OF THE THRESHOLD

"God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States of America," German statesman Otto von Bismarck is famously alleged to have said

IRI represents an Islomic dogma.

what is our last line of defense against another kind of dogma.

//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5146778547...

The Dweller of the Threshold guards the door to the temple of truth and must be conquered before we can enter.

The Dweller of the Threshold, the Dragon of mediaeval symbolism, is nothing else but our own lower semi-animal, animal or perhaps brutish self, that combination of material and semi-material principles which form the lower ego, which the great majority of men blindly and lovingly hug and caress, because they love themselves.

Do not forget the big Elephant in the room; USA, courtesy of whom we have this web site to thank for.

Do you love Iran ? Than plan your retirement ...
Go to Iran and do some good ... in a remote "dehat"
perhaps ...

We need peace and economic prosperity and most of all we need USA out of the ME.

Javid Iran.

Ey-ranians are mooftkhoor . . .

I quickly glanced at the comments which are posted. Someone wants a blue print of what one might have done to Iran. This is not a realistic request to ask for a plan for almost 80 years ago.

Iran is surrounded by many countries with different interests and greed. How can one tell what might have happened 50 years ago? And what a difference would it make now?

It is stupid to say that only IRI agents have access to Iranian.com, this ain’t true. Come over, we can show you how to access it.

Joe B said 4,000 Americans have been killed in Iraq; how many of these 4,000 murdered more than 200,000 Iraqi’s or raped their women? Ask Halliburton Corporation why they are in Iraq and not in Zambia.

About three weeks ago, the cold killed many in the US of A and nobody said anything. Now that Iran is facing an extreme cold and some are killed, some Ey-ranians are crying. As I said before, crying or talking won’t solve our problems. Come over and do something. The gas to Babol and Amol was coming from other countries and they cut it because they started asking for more money, kind of blackmail in this cold weather. How did these people live or survive when there was no gas? TV was showing the lines for buying bread in Sari. Some people had purchased so many that the bakery ran out before others in the line could buy one. Is this typical or what?

Some general comments to add to my previous comments: Our people have suffered from social ills which are not limited to our politicians. You put any one in charge, he or she will tend to sacrifice many things to preserve his or her own life, status, ego, etc. Mooftkhoori is in the blood of many of our people. To put this differently, self-preservation, self-promotion, ego, etc., etc., cannot be corrected over night. These characteristics are not limited to our government, they equally apply, e.g., to our football and are not limited to those who live in Iran.

Rather than dreaming, chase the dream and make it happen.

to XerXes

Since as a scum-jew I had to leave Iran, and since obviousely you cannot be living in Iran either (since Iranian.com is blocked for average Iranian, but not for IRI agents), and you keep commenting on Iranian.com, then we should be both the same kind!...or you could be an IRI agent :-)..lol

Anonymou4now and Setiz

Well said. I read your long posts and I could not have said it better myself.

I have dealt with many leftists in the past that only complain, criticize and accuse. But when you ask them for a blue print of what they would have done in 1921 if they were in charge of Iran, and do so in a realistic way, considering the weak state of Iran, they dodge answering it. They dodge because they simply don't have a blue print. 

I challenge Arezu again. It is 1921. You, Arezu are in charge, not Reza I. What is your blue print for saving and building Iran better than the pahlavis did, in just two genrations, and do so without resorting to the dictatorial ways you so criticize, and without giving any concessions to the super powers of the time which you so criticize.

Also consider that Iran was a desease ridden, backwarded country with no money, no resources, with less than 1 percent literacy, with a large sellout population who would not hesitate to remove you in favor of their selfish interests, and with capable foreign powers who had a strong influcene in Iran's affairs.

What would your blue print be? You do not have to meet this challenge for the sake of answering me. That is not what I mean with the word challenge. I mean to say that, in your own private thoughts, could you challenge yourself to come up with this blue print?

I am asking you to do this as a favor. Then share the results with others. If it turns out that you were right all along, this will only strenghten your political position. And if you were wrong, it will still stenghten your political views, because you could make some adjustments to it for the better.

I also encourage everyone else who share Arezu's views to do the same. It is a thought exercise that would most of all benefit yourself.

I am glad people like you are out of Iran.

The best thing that happend to Iran was to get rid of scum like you. Iran is a better land now than ever before. You are probably a jew or whatever.

To Nadias

Nadias,

Thank you for your response to my queries.

I am glad to hear that your friends maintain hope. Although, I suspect that hope is more common with those who have been educated.

What sacrifice would your friends make to see a better tomorrow ...if not for themselves, then for posterity? What price would they pay to be free?

Each day, I hope that my children will have food clothing and shelter. But hope is not enough.

It is time for them to rise up and bring an end to the oppression.

Under the "Iron Curtain", the people of Poland had hope for many years. But if not for the actions of Lech Wałęsa and the solidarity union, hope is all they would have today.

Thomas Jefferson said "the tree of liberty must be replenished with the blood of patriots and tyranists from time to time". I would submit that the time is now ...we are right next door.

Thanks,

Joe B.

Arezu...

Thank you for clarifying your position point by point. I did not slander you, neither did I use profanity or abusive language for you. We were just discussing a couple of things that often come up on this site. I seek objectivity, truth, and balance, and as long as those conditions are met without any emotional or ideological "slander", then I accept the argument. I indeed agree with majority of points that you raised. Let me just mention a few that I do not totally agree with you and tell you why.

(1) M.E. conflict receives a disproportionate amount of "iranian" attention which cannot be justified given the 30 years of oppression and "islamist occupation" of our own country with no hope for any change in sight. I understand what you are saying and I share a lot of the same sentiments under a different set of conditions. However, let me add a few things.

(a) IRI uses Palestinian issue as a trap to distract attention from their own problems. A lot of sympathizers are themselves either trappers for or are trapped in the IRI strategy; so my intention was to warn against that strategy. We, iranians, with so many issues on hand should not fall into that trap at this juncture in our history. Palestinian condition is no excuse whatsoever for legitimacy of IRI or crimes of IRI against people of iran that includes IRI incompetence in foreign policy.

(b) Palestinians, at least at their leadership level, were pro-saddam during iran-iraq war. I cannot ignore that fact.

(c) Arabs, at least at their leadership level, do not like iran and iranians. I cannot ignore that fact.

(d) Had rich arab countries spent as little as 1% of their oil revenue for Palestinians, they would be living a good life. On the contrary, almost all arab countries want to dis-own Palestinian problem, some even do not allow them, the refugees, to work in their countries legally or assume full citizenship. With all the problems that iran has, we cannot be "kaaseh daagh tar az aash" and focus on Palestinians disproportionately.

(e) Palestinians are receiving a disproportionate level of attention. There are lots of people who live far worse than Palestinians, e.g., blacks of Darfur and Africa, people of Cambodia and Laos, people of Haiti and Colombia, etc. If humanity is the basis, we should be talking about them at least as well. Again, this goes back to propagandist position of IRI in this regard. The same IRI who red-carpet welcomed leader of Sudan, who has killed some quarter of a million black Africans (Muslims I should add) in Darfur. That shows how duplicitous and fake IRI's position is.

My bottom line: we understand the situation, but let's not allow that issue to become a means of sympathizing with IRI or overshadowing our main problem, the IRI. IRI has murdered far too many iranians compared to Palestinians who have lost their lives in M.E. conflict in recent years. Let's not forget that fact.

(2) I disagree with your position on M.R. shah. I acknowledge his short-comings, but on balance (considering a lot of factors, from status of iran when he came to power, to psyche of people of iran, etc. that are beyond this short discussion), he was right for his time for iran. Yes, he is gone, but it upsets me that people blame him even for mullas' take-over. Mullas would have taken over anytime they found an opportunity for as long as iranians were not politically savvy, which they were not in 1979, even at intellectual level. It is very simple, a typical iranian villager did not know anything about Voltaire or Russell, did not know about Marx or Lenin, but did know about shah and shahbanou, and did know even more about Prophet Mohammad and Emam Ali; thus in the first democratic openning in iran, the contest would have only been between Monarchy and Theocracy, not Democracy and Socialism, and mullas would have come ahead as they did in 1979 no matter what. So the choices were really between shah and mulla until we reached a point of education to know about secularism and democracy more than what we knew about religion and dictatorship. Iranians made a bad mistake in 1979, but they still try to "cover it up" with "slander" rather than rationale and responsibility. We will repeat the same mistake as long as we do not understand the past and we do not understand the psych of iranians, all of iranians, not a selected residents of up-town tehran.

(3) Finally on the issue of sovereignty, I agree with your conjecture in principle, but I believe that sovereignty has a much wider definition and belongs to the poeple of iran, not the government. In that regard, iran is not sovereign today at all. See how its resources are plundered to bribe Chinese and Indians, how women are oppressed by undemocratic islamic laws, etc. Whatever iran was during pahlavis, I believe that it is far less sovereign under IRI if you expand the definition of sovereignty to include self-determination and pro-iranian decisions on all aspects of government in iran. Nowadays, international interactions, like it or not, is a game of give and take; and IRI has not been competent enough to take anywhere close to what it has been giving/losing in the past 30 years, without the consent of the people I should add. CNN reported that last year's Lebanese conflict cost iran $380 million. If there is any truth in that, that by itself shows how much iranian people lack sovereignty (i.e., no consent of people who need to struggle to make a minimum living on a day by day basis) under IRI.

The rest of the issues that you have raised, I am pretty much on the same side as you are.

Arezoo!

Your piece in response to javadagha seems more emotionally charged than rationality and reasonableness should permit. You charge that Palestinian homes are being bombed by F15s where as Palestinians strapping bombs to themselves are utilizing the only means of self defense available to them.

First and foremost do you really think Palestinian homes are being targeted randomly or are the hideouts of the perpetrators of your so called “self defense” being targeted?

Second, do you believe that these “homes” are being bombed unprovoked?

Third, are you talking about a Palestinian blowing himself up in a pizza parlor in self defense against pizza throwing women and children?

You follow that logic by stating the deplorable conditions for the people of Iran? Where is you sense of humanity, and how discontiguous can your logic be?

Do you believe that the Israelis should be displaced so that Palestinians can “return to their homeland” (if there was ever such a thing)? Don’t you think that would be an atrocious act of inhumanity to displace one people with another and to impose the same injustice the British imposed, all over again? How would that change the situation from where it is now?

Shouldn’t the solution be coexistence between the Palestinians and the Israelis who have been there for two to three generations now? And if you believe that, then why are you taking a useless position in this game of human drama? Shouldn’t you be encouraging a dialog instead of fanning the flames of emotionalism and hyperbolae?

Then you apply your broken logic to the situation in Iran. Read some of the back and forth on the thread called 1943 Tehran Conference (//iranian.com/main/singlepage/2008/1943-t...) to get a picture what Iran was at the end of the Ghaajar rule and what it was just before the revolution. For sure, there were still many problems, but you have to use your sense of proportionality before you jump to hyperbolic conclusions. Iran, at the end of the ghaajar era, was a pathetic nation of 7 million, disease infested people who would have been happy to be rid of worm infestations, never mind having plastic shoes. By the time Reza shah was forced to abdicate, hygiene and health had improved and there was an infrastructure for educating the people, but still, a far cry from where it needed to be in the twentieth century. By the time of the revolution in 1979, all the major and minor cities in Iran enjoyed the same middle class upbringing that you did. I lived in Tehran, but had lived a year in Kermanshah as well, and know that they enjoyed and had access to everything that we took for granted in Tehran. That is why the childhood experiences of so many across the entire nation sounds similar and the same. There were the more remote areas that still needed progress, but Iran needed more time. We lived in the outskirts of Kermanshah in the oil company complex, and every household had a care taker hired from the local population from those remote areas. You may argue that 55 years should have been enough, under the Pahlavis, to bring life, liberty, and happiness to everyone. But corruption of the new self serving elite class slowed this progress down, and that is the biggest criticism one can level against that system. But from a pragmatic point of view, do you have a system of government in mind that is void of such corruption? Given the 30 years lost, in war, and in confrontation with the West and the energy wasted in rhetoric, the Money wasted on fanning the flames of animosity amongst the Palestinians and the Israelis, Iran would have been the utopic country you have in mind.

Finally, you say “I had previously read this article and agreed with the content fully”.

Do you believe everything you read? You are leaving yourself vulnerable to manipulation. This was the plight of many in Iran who fell for the now depleted and failed ideology and clap trap of Marxism. Read this and tell me who you think said this?

"To the people of Iran: You are rich in culture and talent. You have a right to live under a government that listens to your wishes, respects your talents, and allows you to build better lives for your families. Unfortunately, your government denies you these opportunities, and threatens the peace and stability of your neighbors. So we call on the regime in Tehran to heed your will, and to make itself accountable to you. The day will come when the people of Iran have a government that embraces liberty and justice, and Iran joins the community of free nations. And when that good day comes, you will have no better friend than the United States of America."

Iranians have not given up (Re: nadia, ...Joe B.)

Nadias, I visited Iran not long ago and am in touch regularly. You are right on the money, Iranians have not given up.... Joe B. personally I believe some of the people with highest level of integrity and good nature are Americans, among them are billionaire Georege Sorose, CIA veteran Michael Scheuer, journalist Seymour Hersh, almost all my managers and coworkers .... I can go on and on with this list. However we also have some really bad apples here such as Wolfowitz, Alberto Gonzales (AKA Gonzo- attorney general who had no respect for law! ) Pat Robertson, W, etc. Since US is a powerful country even those **** (censoring myself) bad apples can, and have caused big disasters...

Joe B. I can tell you that...

my friends in Iran have not given up on having a better future. Most of them have finished their university studies and are hard working. I have one that is still at university.They are hopeful that tomorrow will be a better day.

I did come across another Iranian living in Iran, he had a bleak picture of Iran. He did not see things getting any better. He had given up. He told of his struggle to complete his university studies with little money and support from his family. How there was a shortage of university books, and many other things. I only heard from him once. I hope things are going better for him.

I think that there is a combination of people. Those who see things not getting any better and those who still have hope that tomorrow will bring a better day.

solh va doosti

Nadia

Palestine.com

Schahram Schamsawary

I am not sure if the Palestinians pay the same attention to Iranians as Iranians sometimes do vice versa. Thank you Abarmard, important point: not rich, but fortunate.

To Javadagha

Get a life you self serving simple minded American hating bigott. Why is it that other islamic nations in the middle east put "Palestinians" in refugee camps?

The only time that they take up the cause of the "Palestinian" people is when they have an axe to grind.

I guess we have daily firing squads in Iraq just to terrorize them. In fact, our doctrine is to indescriminately kill the innocent whre we see fit?

Let tme remind you: thousands of American soldiers have died on the battlefield in hopes of changing the lives of millions in foreign lands -specifically, the middle east.

It is your one sided ignorant beliefs that are at the core of the issues creating the problems in the world.

Where do you live today?

power of objective writing (Re Jamshidjan, ..Arezu)

Jamshid says: "The reason why you won't meet this challenge and other challenges in the past is ...
....It suits me fine. It proves my point."

Jamshidjan, as usual you declare victory and admire yourself (the only exception was one occasion which you got carried away with insulting others and accidentally called yourself imbecile).
Anyhow, Arezu is a very objective writer as you can see in her last posting .... so you need to become at least as objective before you can truly challenge her , ... and declare victory (paradoxically you may not challenge her then!).
regards,

To Arezu

Dear Arezu,

What are you talking about when you mention "depleted uranium inflicted on an entire society?" Why is it that other nations in the Middle East refuse to accept refugees from Palestine? You suggest that a 16 year old strapping explosives to his body and walking into a crowded market to kill civilians is "self defense". It is this type of idiology that perpetuates the violense that is omnipresent in the "middle east".

Very Iinformative

Hello All,

I appreciate the ability to read these postings. I often surf the net looking for news from other countries in an attempt to understand different perspectives.

"The Good Ol Days" by Arbarmard, is an excelent piece. I am just wondering how many people inside Iran share his sentiments. I wonder how many people are able to pen these thoughts.

In general; are the "people" looking forward to a better future, or do they reside themselves in accepting that their lives will forever be as they are today.

Does anyone have any thoughts on these questions?

Regards,

Joe B.

Dear Azarin

Sorry to hear this very sad news. I wish you and your family strength to pass through these rough moments.Please let us know how everyone is doing Azarin.

Azarin........I am truly sorry to

hear of the tragedy that has occured in your family and for their friends as well.

My friends in Iran had mentioned things were getting worse but did not want to tell me how bad.

solh va doosti

Nadia

Bad news from Iran

I just talked with my aunt living in Sari.

Since a few weeks, because of the gas shortage, their gas is cut in the cold winter of this year. So, they are unable to warm up their homes. Their water is cold and they cannot cook or take showers.

But worse of all, I learned that my aunt's 30+ years old friend, that I had seen a few times, has been killed in a freak accident. Because of the cold, she had to set up the "Korsee", but during the night it took fire and burned her to death. Her husband tried to save her, but he was also badly burnt.

Now their children and grandchildren are angry and devastated. My aunt seemed angry and devastated too.

I read again your article. I also read other comments in the thread. It seems that there are lots of anger or devastation in each of these comments, for different reasons.

Sorry Abarmad,

Now, honestly, I am unable to remember those good old days anymore. My old memories are fully covered by the new image of a faraway cold and tons of anger and sorrow flooding this fresh moment.

Azarin

To: Setiz

Maybe you didn’t understand where my comment came from. So let me see if I can make it clear.

1. First of all I had no intention of writing about my life in Iran. Even though my own experience as I mentioned was exceptionally good. However, I was simply enjoying reading the comments of other people’s reminiscence of their life experience in Iran.

2. What tempted me to respond was when I noticed the article posted by Mr. Javadagha written by Paul Craig Roberts – “Bringing Death and Destruction to Muslims”. I had previously read this article and agreed with the content fully. However, I was surprised that someone actually had the guts to post such an article on Iranian.com. Who are we kidding, unlike what many of you profess about freedom of speech, and expression, treating all people equally etc.. there are certain things whish are a “no, no” on this site; (i.e. anything having to do with Palestinians, Arabs, Islam, Muslims, defense of Iran etc.). This was just demonstrated by the comments and labeling I received for simply sympathizing with the Palestinians.

3. I thanked the gentleman for posting the article, and provided my own experience with respect to how I feel about the horrid situation of the Palestinians. None of this deserved the kind of backlash that I received from some of you. I have a right to say what I feel and am not apologetic about it.

4. I also do not aim to conform to certain individual’s views simply to comply and be liked, so that I can be accepted as part of the cheerleading group. My sympathy toward the Palestinians or any other people has nothing to do with my love for my country and the Iranian people; poor, rich, dahati, Azari, Muslim, Jew, or whatever else. Yes, obviously Iran is first for me, how many times do I have to say that is a given.

If anyone believes that one dimensional thinking is the only way that one can demonstrate their unconditional commitment towards Iran, that is their view not mine. You also, have no clue who I am and what I do on behalf of Iran. As such, I would suggest that individual's don’t make superficial judgments, or impose their typical labels (MEK/MKO, leftist, pro this or anti that ..) in order to fit an individual within their box.

5. .With respect to the various dynasties and regimes; to answer your question, just like most Iranian people I believe the Qajars were unfit, plundered Iran's wealth and left a poor legacy for Iran.

6. Reza Shah was a totally different matter. I believe he made significant accomplishments for Iran and within a ten year time frame he achieved some of the most dramatic and positive changes on behalf of his country. I also believe he was a true nationalist. He demonstrated some negative qualities,especially toward the latter part of his reign, but if one weights what he did, it far exceeds at least in my opinion his weaknesses.

7. I don’t have the same opinion about his son, the late Shah. He did not posses one iota of character, personality, strength, love that his father had for Iran. Like everyone else he made certain accomplishments for Iran, but on a scale and in comparison with his father, the negatives outweigh the positives by a significant margin. I don’t intend to go down the list of what those negatives are. Many have already expressed them, I have as well in various other posts, and furthermore we have beaten this subject to death. Finally, Muhammad Reza Shah is gone, so what is the purpose of constantly speaking about him? Now if some people want to glorify him, and attach their own complimentary adjectives again that is their business.

8. One thing which is of utmost importance for me is an independent, sovereign Iran, with absolutely no foreign intervention in its affairs. No foreign entity or government has the right to raise arms against Iran, or enter Iranian territory to attack any of its infrastructures and force regime change and supplant their own puppet leaders who serve the interest of the foreign aggressors and occupiers. Any change has to come directly from within by the Iranian people.

9. Finally, no, I am not pro Mullah, I did not go marching for Khomeini, I believe that many of them are corrupt; I believe the state of the economy is in a very poor shape, I believe human rights abuses have taken place, how much I don’t know. However, I do respect them for many other achievements and the fact that they are not a servant of the United States and despite 30 years of hostility and isolation they have been able to maintain Iran’s independence. I also don't believe any of the propaganda and false information that the U.S. is attaching to Iran. I am against sanctions on Iran, in every which way. Sanctions are another form of warfare, and Iran has not done anything to warrant such illegal actions by foreign bullies.

Left to me, I would like a secular democratic government, but that is up to the majority of Iranian people.

I am a patriot and come from an ultra nationalist family, who has fought for Iran, and the Iranian people and whose legacy and accomplishments are acknowledged in Iran’s history.

I hope I have made my position clear. Now if anyone wants to continue their slander, use profanity, abusive and crude language – this is a reflection of those who make such remarks, and not a reflection of who I am and what I stand for.

Ey-ranians are mooftkhor

My expectations of Ey-ranians is very low. One cannot sit in one place (be it Iran or outside) and expect the country gets better. It won’t.

Shahanshah Areyamher used Iran’s resources (oil, gas, mineral) to build Iran and wasted much more than spent. He was in power for 30 years. It was during Shahanshah’s time that most of our artifacts were stolen to be displayed in New York Metropolitan, London or Lover Museums. Stealing continued under IRI and present regime continues to plunder Iran with the help of Iranians I must add.
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To conclude: The majority of us are haman khar hasteem k boodim, faghat paloon avaz shood.
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Some of us have tried to raise awareness through different means nothing is working. As I said before the majority of our people are mooftkhor and only care about themselves. Take a look at the cars Ey-ranians drive, the way they dress, the houses they live in, you would know what I am talking about. But ask these mooftkhors to contribute to any worthy cause, one would get very little or nothing. So how are we supposed to improve Iran if few people are sacrificing their time and money?

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Our problems are NOT the problems of the past 30 years. It is way before Phalavi and Qajars. Many have reed into our homeland for more than 1000 years, we cannot clean their shit over night.

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It is getting tiring to write on issues such as social responsibility, accountability, and doing what it takes to make a difference. It is like singing yaseen toyeh ghosh-e-khar.

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When you gather with other Iranians ask yourself what you have done to make a difference, remembering talk is cheap and how much you have spent on the food or booz for that gathering.

Re: Arezu

You are good at dogding questions. You either resort to ranting or to labeling to divert attention when you do not have a good response.

My point is that you are all about useless ranting. Always. And when seriously challenged, you don't respond, you dodge.

You dodge but at the same time, you get bothered and frustrated when you don't have good answers. And to divert attention from your failure to respond, you resort to labeling.

Again, you have failed to provide a blue print that would show us how you could make things better than the pahlavis did, assuming that you were in control in 1921.

The reason why you won't meet this challenge and other challenges in the past is not, as you said in your previous post, that you don't care for answering to anyone. That's just an excuse to dodge. The true reason is that you DON'T have any response, thereby finding your claims to be baseless.

It suits me fine. It proves my point.

Nadia

To understand Persian calender vs Gregorian calender, read this:

It was 621 AD when Islam's prophet Mohammad migrated from Mecaa to Medina, which is the base of solar calender for Persian calender.

Now if you just add 621 to any year in Persian calender it equalls to Gregorian year , ie. 1386+621=2007 or 1357+621=1978.

In March 21st it would be 1387  Persian Version of 2008 !!   LOL

Hope that helps.

Arezu...

I admire your sense of humanity and I would do the same under a different set of conditions. As a middle-class child living under the reign of M.R. shah, I was ahead of the line to help people of africa when famine hit Biafra, since I had a sense of safety and stability then that I thought Biafrans did not have.

Have you ever wondered why you are asked in an airplane that in case of emergency you should put on your own oxygen mask first and ONLY then place your child's oxygen mask on his face?

We have been in exact same emergency situation for the past 30 years now as we have been yelling for the rights of others while losing our beautiful youth to torture, execution, and hunger. That has helped neither us nor those that you care for.

So first things first, unless you want to distract attention from miseries brought on by IRI on our very own beloved people. You know, they are human too, and some of them live in similar dire conditions that the ones that you are concerned about. So yes, me and some others, are proudly one-dimensional when it comes to iran and iranians -- iranians are first in our minds, then others; nobody has any moral right to play robinhood, to steal from desperate children of iran to give to others, no matter what the justification.

To: Jamshid

I have no interest in responding to anyone, especially you, who has no civility, does not know how to watch their language, is abusive, and rude.

You act like a kid and I neither have the time nor interest in engaging in any dialogue with brats like you.

Re: Arezu

Setiz had a good point, and as usual you avoid responding by resorting to none sense ranting. He said that when talking about the Pahlavis, you have to keep in mind where we were coming from, which takes us to the ghajars. My judgement would have been quite different about the pahalvis, if Iran at its starting point of pahlavis was half as advanaced as say France. Then I would be in your camp and agree with you.

However that was not the case. Iran was more backwarded than some of the African countries in 1920. Considering that starting point, I think, the pahlavis had done well in just two generations.

You have failed to respond to this issue. Assume that it is 1920 and YOU are in charge of Iran. Consider how miserable the state of affairs were in those days. What is your blue print to build Iran in a way that after 50 years, you would have done better than the pahlavis? I challenge you to respond to this and show us a blue print. If you fail to provide that blue print then just SHUT THE HELL UP, and stop ranting with your zer zers.

Quote from Arezu: "I happen to care about the misery of people no matter from what country..."

Horors! May god save the people of those countries from your "caring"! Despite of all the "sineh chaak kardanhatoon" for the "poor" people, the likes of you have always hurt them the most.