HYPOCRISY

Dear Mammad

Please! Enough of protecting Ms. Soraya. She can defend herself is she chooses. You did the same type of protecting and defending in her last post.

Are you two a tag team of wrestlers? If so, please tag her in and let her respond. We know where you stand.

Jamshid

I do not want to start an argument with you. Soraya can also respond to you, if she chooses to.

But, knowing Soraya, I can tell you that you are way off and just too wrong about her. I have my differences with Soraya as a friend and as the author of many articles that she has posted, but what you said reads like slander, and baseless accusations, than serious comments. I have had my differences with you in the past, but I have always thought that, once one gets past some of your strong and often unfair words, you do make good comments. But, your post about Soraya is really unfair. Not just unfair, but way way off.

Mammad

Re: Soraya

I feel sorry for Dr. Mossadegh's soul.

What sadness would his poor soul be feeling at this moment knowing that a distrubed treasonous individual such as Soraya has self-appointed herself as his attorney.

I guess the defenseless Dr. Mossadegh can only turn in his grave in disgust.

Soraya and her likes are so deeply buried in their anti-imperialism "oghdeh" that their minds and heartts have become completely blind to the plight of the Iranian people, and to the fact that Iran is now being exploited (estesmaar) by the Russians, Chinese and even Indians.

But never mind, as long as it's not the US who is doing the estesmaar, all is fine.

I believe that you wouldn't mind even if the Iranian population would be exterminated to only one million, it would be fine, a sacrifice that must be made. Just as long as the US's "pooz" is rubbed on dust, and as long as your "oghdeh" is satiated.

No my dear Soray, it is not about Iran, it is only about satiating your US imperialism "complex. And unfortunately, the people of Iran have to pay for your appetite.

Dear Friends

Let's take a break, and listen to the great man speak:

Who is really trying to destroy Iran?

The mullahs are doing a fine job destroying Iran as is. The mullahs disrespect our culture; impose Arab values on our people; put the interests of Palestinians above Iran. The economy is in shambles; people have no hope and anyone who is able to leave Iran is doing so at the first opportunity. The IRI values devotion to Islam over intelligence; education and all other abilities. No wonder Iran is going down the tubes. Meanwhile some people are still stuck in the 1950's and the Mossadegh days. Those days are over, we should be looking to tomorrow not fifty years ago. The left wing and religious ideologies of the 60's were proven an utter failure not just in Iran but all over the world. I find it interesting that the real proponents of the IRI are not people who live in Iran but mostly people who live either in America or Europe. They write in relative comfort of a secular capitalistic state and hand out harsh judgments on other people's patriotism. It is pretty disturbing.

AnonymousIrooni

1. Yeah, when destruction comes to countries like Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Palestine, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Venezuella, Vietnam, Bosnia, etc., it is their people who are responsible. But, if one mentions anything positive, then that is immediately attributed to the West and, in particular, the US.

2. I have raised my voice against what I see wrong. I have criticized what I see wrong, I have published articles about what I see wrong, and I have paid the price for it, not to mention my immediate family. I'll continue to do so to the best of my ability, but I will never ever support, explicitly like the spiritual member of the French resistance, or implicitly, like those who do not say that they support sanctions and attacks, but attack everyone who says so, criminal, illegal, neo-colonialist type attacks, invasion, and sanctions (low-intensity war which, in fact, kills more people in the long run) against my native land.

3. If credibility is to be bestowed upong me only if I say things that the "creditors" like what I say, then, not only do I not want to have any credibility, but I also actually run away from it.

4. Yes, absolutely, if going to Iran and teaching our young bright university students about the latest advances in my research field, or bringing more than 40 of them over the past 20 years to the US to get the highest education, is my "sin," then, I declare, as clearly as possible, that I am guilty.

5. No, you are wrong again. The Islamic left vs Islamic right has existed for decades. It is not my invention - though I would not mind taking credit for it - but it goes back to at least the 1940s, when Ahmad Nakhshab and friends started Islamic left thinking. I am not in their league - they did much more than I can ever do - but I am honoured to be an adherent.

6. Finally, with all due respect, you did not pay any attention to the international agreements which the US uses whenver they suite its interests, and throws away when they do not. Claiming something is different from saying it, and bringing it to the attention of people, on a consistent basis.

Mammad

Kadivar, don't be blinded by your obvious anger

My name is Qumars Bolourchian which you would know if you click on the "Q" to get to my page. I have not been anonymous on this site for which I have been writing for years. Are you ready to take back your angry and short-sighted insults made in ERROR? (I DOUBT it).

If you have "expressed your opposition" to war, that merely puts you in the same category as George Bush and Dick Cheney. It's all the fashion to SAY you are against war, without making the slightest compromise to make mpeace possible. Anyone can "express" anything just like the Mojaheds "express" their beliefs in democracy and humanity.

"Expressing" is cheap. Your conduct on the other hand speaks volumes. People like Soraya and NIAC are out there DOING something. But people like yourself express your "patriotism" only by righteous grandstanding and attacking others.

Of course I didn't say you should shut up about human rights issues. You could do that just as many other groups and individuals do. My problem was with your CHARACTER ASSASSINATION which now you have hurled my way. But I understand how you want to OPPORTUNISTICALLY conflate the two concepts.

Someone who REALLY believes in peace does not make excuses. I was out in the streets and active against the Iraq war, and there were people like you standing on the sidelines saying "You are helping Saddam". Those people should be proud of themselves now.

Spare me your short-sighted conspiracy theories about who Soraya is helping. Moral positions are not dependent on "IRI strategy" or anything else. These have ALWAYS been excuses for people who are either pro-War or too misguided to take a real stance. Some others simply use them as excuse to bring down those they don't like for ideological reasons.

It's a "high school" mentality that many Iranians are permenantly stuck in.

Lastly, I can't help but shake my head in disappointment as you repeat discredited neocon arguments WORD FOR WORD. Yes, I'm sure "smart bombs" that can only take out the "bad guys" and "bad nukes" will not hurt anybody and will lead to no unexpected escalation of force. Let us trust the benevolent Western government on this one, OK?

It's all a convenient RISK FREE act of aggression against your own country, taking away national rights in the process.

Now who is Naive my friend?

Dariush Kadivar: About Milani and Bakhtiar

I agree with you that Ahmadinejad is no Dr. Mosaddegh. Aside from anything that the two have done or not done, there cannot be any similarity between a nationalist and a fundamentalist.

But, having said that, it seems to me that all you have done below is simply referring the readers to what Dr. Abbas Milani or the Late Dr. Bakhtiar has said. That refutes or proves nothing.

Who is Dr. Milani? A 1970s revolutionary Maoist who, when he was in the US then, thought that Iran was semi-feudal, semi-colony. That was the the analysis of all Maoists like him, from the notorious Parviz Nikkhah, to Kourosh Lashaei, to Dr. Milani. So, when they went to Iran, they found that their analysis was wrong. So, some like Nikkhah actually started working with the Shah's government right away. Dr. Milani was arrested after teaching for sometime in Melli University because of his Maoist past.

But, while in jail, Dr. Milani became a collaborator of SAVAK. He wrote for them in the short time that he was in jail, which SAVAK published in Keyhan and other places, attacking all the opposition. That is the "arrangement" that he talks about, when he is questioned about why he got out of the jail so quickly, when others were either being executed, tortured to death, or given long jails.

This is now just too well documented to ignore. Of course, I recognize that to a monarchist like you working with SAVAK is no problem. But, in my opinion, it is not what people say that is important, but WHY they say it, and to understand WHY they say something, we have no way other than looking at their historical background.

In my opinion, this is at least one reason why monarchists in the US and elsewhere prop up Dr. Milani. After he came back to the US, he was a simple instructor at a small college. Then, a rich monarchist gave some money to Stanford U, and all of a sudden, Dr. Milani became the reference for everything.

But, let's say that Dr. Milani is, in fact, a scholar. Whatever he says is his opinion and the result of his right-wing thinking. It does not prove anything. It has not opened any new way of thinking. He is simply biased, in the opinion of people like me. That is fine with me; he can be biased, if he chooses too. But, it also means that people like me do not take what he says like God's words, nor should anyone else, in my opinion.  Nor does what he says change the actual history of the past 60 years.

The most amazing thing about Dr. Milani is this: Maoism was a reaction to the downfall of Stalinism in the Soviet Union. Maoists accused the Soviets of committing treasons against the "ideals" of Lenin and Stalin. So, Maoists considered themselves the true heir to Stalin. Perhaps, this explains why Dr. Milani the Maoist attacks ALL, without any exception, the people who criticize him as Stalinists. IT TAKES A STALINIST TO KNOW A STALINIST!  He has attacked people like Dr. Nasser Zarafshan who has defended many political prisoners in Iran, helped reveal some secrets about the infamous "Chain Murders," and spent years in jail because of his bravery. Yes, it is truly easy to attack people like Dr. Zarafshan when one lives in Palo Alto, California, or another beautiful city up north.

This also reveals another facet of the monarchists. They are willing to even use former Maoists, communists (like Hamid Showkat), and charlatans - even though the Shah despised them all - just to try to discredit Dr. Mosaddegh. What they do not recognize is, in my opinion, that a man like Dr. Mosaddegh cannot be discredited by such bogus, fabricated, baseless attacks.

The man that Soraya refers to - the guy who sent her the e-mail, the subject of the article - wants us to look at Dr. Mosaddegh from the perspective of a Westerner, and to use that to discredit him. Heck, if that is the criterion, then let's refer to hundreds, if not thousands, of articles written in the West in which the Shah was called dictator, corrupt, power thirsty, puppet, etc.

As for Dr. Bakhtiar, whom I respect:  To put it bluntly but politely, people like you either do not know a lot of things about him, or ignore them, so that they can use him. Consider the following:

When Dr. Bakhtiar was appointed the Prime Minister by the Shah, and the Shah left Iran, he started communicating with Ayatollah Khomeini through his representatives in Tehran, and people like Mohandes Bazargan. He wanted to go to Paris to see the Ayatollah, but was told that he must first resign. After a lot of negotiations, it was agreed that Dr. Bakhtiar would resign, would go to Paris and meet with Ayatollah Khomeini, and would be appointed by him as the PM of the revolutionary government that was emerging.

Dr. Bakhtiar had agreed to this, but then backed out of the agreement. Why? Not because of his belief in secularism (he was a secular nationalist), or opposition to Ayatollah Khomeini (with whom he had reached the agreement), BUT BECAUSE, AS HE HAD TOLD MOHANDES BAZARGAN, THE ARMY HAD MADE IT CLEAR TO HIM THAT THEY WOULD KILL HIM, IF HE WENT ALONG WITH THE AGREEMENT. He was afraid for his life. I do not blame him, but this also indicates that Dr. Bakhtiar was not the hero that some people try to make him.

So, while the opinion of people like Drs. Milani and Bakhtiar should be respected, they do not prove or disprove anything about what Soraya says, REGARDLESS of whether she is right or wrong. You are simply using one opinion to reject another one. That is not a rational way of doing this. 

Mammad

Dear Mammad, You have Zero Credibility As Well

Please don't preach to me about studying "International Agreements" Sir.

I did state that all sides are killing each other due to the American mismanagement of the war. So telling us about "you break it you own it" lines are a repeat of what I have already said. You are just saying it differently now to come and defend your friend Soraya by repeating standard buzzwords such as "illegal" "colonialism". At the end, its Iraqis killing Iraqis just like Iranians killing Iranians. Where was your "Illegal" preaching when Saddam was killing Kurds and Shia left & Right or when Khomeini prolonged the war by 7 years trying to march and liberate Palestine.

I repeat what I said again because you with your ZERANGY you avoided my main point

"The so called patriots who oppose war or sanctions here have not raised their voices (loudly & clearly) when the IRI kills and abuses Iranians and steals Iranian oil for its own Islamic Fundamentalist ideology. To them this is perfectly OK because the IRI has an "independent" foreign policy. This is what they are proud of.

The likes of Ms. Soraya (and YOU MAMMAD) would have more credibility if they truly spoke out loud about IRI crimes for the past 30 years and admitted that the IRI are currently the stooges of the Russians and the Chinese. They only complain if Iran was the "stooge" of the west and America. This is the true hypocrisy! "

This is the problem with you people. You, Mammad, have actually done business with this IRI entity (an "illegal" & "Colonial" entity to the eyes of 85% of Iranians)) by going there and teaching at IRI run Schools. Now that you have personally been abused by them you try to differentiate between Islamic Left & Islamic Right. Its all the same. Islam in politics is the main issue and problem (as far as dealing with people like you).

Ramin Rezaiee

In order to advance your goal of liberating Iran, I suggest that you relocate to Iran and start fighting along side of whoever that is willing to fight with you, just like French resistance. But, as long as you are in your comfort living in the West, let Iranians living in Iran decide what they want to do. I have not seen any statements by the leaders of Iranian resistance living in Iran appointing you as their spokesman, commrade, member, whatever. Could you please tell me where I can find this?

Resisting the IRI from the West, "like" the French resistance? Now, that is really fun to watch.

Mammad

AnonymousIrooni

Right before the illegal and criminal invasion of Iraq, Colin Powell told Bush, "if you break it, you own it," meaning that the U.S. will be responsible, as the occupying power, for whatever happens in Iraq after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime.

All the relevant international agreements, from Geneva Convention to UN rules for governing territories by the occupying powers say the same.

Therefore, the secterian violence in Iraq, regardless of who kills whom, is the US responsibility as the occupying power.

By the way, the mandate of the US forces in Iraq, given to them under the guns of the US by the UN Security Council AFTER US occupied Iraq, expired on July 31, 2008. Not only the invasion was illegal and criminal, but also the presence of US forces there now is nothing short of colonialism. The "independent" government of Iraq has no way of asking the US forces to leave.

Before coming back with a response, I suggest you spend time studying the relevant international agreements.

Mammad

Botshekan

In addition to many inaccurate statements that you made, it is clear to me that while you are trying to break one "bot," namely, Dr. Mosaddegh, you are very much in worship of another "bot," namely, the Shah.

Soraya never claimed that Mosaddegh was another Gandhi, but his heroism motivated and encouraged hundreds of millions around the world in their struggle against colonialism.

Mammad

Dear Enki Catena, You lose all Credibility

From the start of your post when you say the following: "The US of A has killed over 1000,000 Iraqis for OIL."

The truth of the matter is that Iraqis are killing Iraqis as a result of the invasion. Iraqis were killing Iraqis before the invasion as well. The killing prior to the American invasion was more one sided with the Sunni killing Shia & Kurds exclusively. Now all sides have been killing each other as a result of American mismanagement of the war. At the end, its Iraqis killing Iraqis.

The so called patriots who oppose war or sanctions here have not raised their voices (loudly & clearly) when the IRI kills and abuses Iranians and steals Iranian oil for its own Islamic Fundamentalist ideology. To them this is perfectly OK because the IRI has an "independent" foreign policy. This is what they are proud of.

The likes of Ms. Soraya would have more credibility if they truly spoke out loud about IRI crimes for the past 30 years and admitted that the IRI are currently the stooges of the Russians and the Chinese. They only complain if Iran was the "stooge" of the west and America. This is the true hypocrisy!

"Patriotism"

Any one or group who promotes, theorize and glorifies Post Qadesiyeh culture & politics of  V-ran & Pan-Ommatism is defenitly not a Patriot be it Mossadegh, Khomeini, mullah, Shah, Saadi , Mojahed or a commie...

""A country is not limited by boundaries, it is an ideology. True patriotism is remaining loyal to that belief.""

Yes & Your concept of Iranic legacy is defenitly not what true Iran is all about..

feel free to ask your buddies in editorial to delete this comment like your last article..because You like a one way microphone.. 

Mossadegh was no Gandhi

The education of Ms Ulrich contains many voids which need be filled in failry fast before she makes herself a laughing stock, more than she already has.

Gandhi was a Britsh educated lawyer with a resolute respect for the rule of law, even under the British Raj. He never questioned the legitimacy of the courts that put him on trial and accepted their sentences without a single complaint. Mossadegh on the other hand, broke the law by by-passing the constitution, without being authorized to do so, dissolving the Majlis and holding an illegal referendum. When he was removed he did not recognize the legitimacy of the court and staged a pathetic and ludicurious show to attract the pity of the observers.

Gandhi was a true champion of democracy whereas Mossadegh was a true proponent of Demogogy.

Dear Soraya

Thank you for your excellent article. Iran belongs to the true Iranians like Mossadegh and those who do not collaborate with enemies.

Please don't get discouraged by the parasites who have infested this site. For every few cheap streetwalkers who offer their services to the highest bidder, there are thousands of true Iranian patriots who think like you and their hearts beat for Iran and Iranians. Those who see their survival in the hands of enemies (monarchists, traitor Mojaheds, and Zionists) and wish ill for Iran are in minority and will remain irrelevant for ever.

Darius KADIVAR

With all due respect, I disagree with your assessment.

Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq "1,255,026"

We know what this IRI is and what it is not. We know what Islam is and what it is not.

I do not put my name in the clear because I know what IRI is and what it is not.

 The US of A has killed over 1000,000 Iraqis for OIL. It has done it because it can. And the “WEST” aka International community has helped USA do it because it wanted to have a piece of the Iraqi pie. Do you expect Iranians to set Idle and have them go through the same ordeal? Ya. It is so easy to stand on the side of power in total comfort and declare your name … But in reality “You cannot tell the truth in America without censure and opprobrium. You cannot protest without fear of physical violence and incarceration. Those who rule your land are sucking the assets of your former wealth away to other lands and creating of you a nation in servitude, all while they have taken an oath to defend your constitution and your rights. They are selling your country out from under you and you are cheering them on. You amaze me. "Can I have another, Sir?" Slowly I turned and step by step, inch by inch, America falls.All across the planet, saber rattling chicken hawks and their agents, strong arm the world. Their reach exceeds their grasp. Their madness is terrifying and their real intentions unknown even to themselves. They will not succeed. This sort of thing never succeeds. Whatever the mathematical or metaphysical reasons for it... it never succeeds. Not even Alexander could pull it off. The tragedy of these periods' materialism-maddened psychopaths is the carnage that follows in their wake. The real tragedy is the terrible end of the tens of millions who went down with the ship because they could not think for themselves. This is the primary reason that religion has also transformed into a lock-step ritual to include those who are convinced that God is on their side. God is not on your side.When the world goes out of balance there is a mysterious force which works to correct that imbalance. I will not name this force but one could well imagine that nature plays some part. To the degree that the imbalance continues and the speed with which it proceeds... at the hands of this force it will be forcibly readjusted when it hits the moment for adjustment. Nothing is going to contravene this. You've got an 'appointment in Samarra'.How did the desire for a better life bring you to such a pass? You sought your better life off of the backs of your fellows. You enslaved the world with imaginary debt to fuel your cost efficient lifestyles. Nothing is what it was, is it? You'll get your answers and your motivations for this from the people who put you in the shit. You won't listen to those who sincerely wish to help. You are beyond hearing. The appearance of rational minds in positions of power could soon clarify and resolve most all of your problems but you will choose the demagogues and the lampreys. You will accept that dinner invitation where the main course on the menu is you. You will applaud the speeches and blow kisses to the cannibals as you are led away into the kitchen.Your love of things and your pursuit of personal comfort at the expense of your ideals, your morality, your integrity and everything that might have protected you, has brought you to this pass. You can certainly blame the Judas Goats and the one's who set the stage for your grand dénouement but you must surely blame yourself. 'We the People' willingly became, "We the Sheep." You've followed mirages into the desert. You walked into the prison house under your own power. You removed your amulets of protection and took off your clothes in order to give yourself over for punishment and subjugation. You walked into the darkness without a light.Now is the time for silly hats and party favors. Now is the time to play the fool while your life is on the line. Now you should vie with one another for some place on the stage of the cosmic Jerry Springer show. Be ingenious. Ask yourself, "How can I humiliate myself to a greater degree in front of a larger audience?" Take your cue from those already on stage and imagine what you could do since there is still some light showing under the limbo bar. Don't be shy. This is your moment. Think of yourself as a hippopotamus in a bikini doing "I Feel Pretty.", across an endless meadow of astro-turf while the house band beats each other to death with their instruments.If you're going to go down then do it in style. Take your family and your friends and your neighbors with you. Embrace the lie and teach your children that it is the truth. Let your eyes glisten with sincerity and love as you send them to their death. Then let the cameras roll in as you tear your clothes and wail at your loss. Give it all you've got and you may see yourself on TV. After that you form a charitable organization and go on a speaking tour. Be sure to commit some hate crimes against your property before you go and... hang on to the bikini.

There's nothing funny about any of this and it's the truth to a far greater degree than that which fuels your mad, intoxicated state. Now run along and destroy yourself and... on with the show.“Source

Finally, I started posting on this site under Bangman alias as soon as I started to write anything critical of Israel my account was deleted.  Things are not always as they seem ...

Regards

More For Your Education Soraya ...

Prime Minister Dr. Bakhtiar in 1984 Los Angeles, CA

regardless of the mediocrity of some of these LA TV channels there is also a Great Deal of Hypocrisy amongst those of you out there who suddenly have become overnight Patriots and who are accusing the LA Media of calling for War with Iran or of Being PRO WAR and for the destruction of their homeland.  Many of the people working in these channels also deserve Respect ( Even if I don't share all their views) and HAVE ALSO done some good in their carreers alerting Public Opinion in the Diaspora and who have been Patriots Long LONG Before You and I were born ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKXWRzs-Mg

Unlike Q and Ulrich we live in Iran!

There is no surprise that the pro IRI lobbysts like CASMII, NIAC and AIC cannot understand or appreciate the tremendous hardhip that the people of Iran are going under. To them, opposing this hypothetical war is a pastime or at best a quasi-academic exercise. But for the people who live in Iran, this is a matter of life and death. Under this regime it will be a gradual, tortureous and painful death. The alternative is a hard-fought freedom or a quick ending. I think the choice is obvious.

Dragging the name of Mossadegh into the debate is a pitiful attempt by these people to cash in on his reputation for their own ends.

Yinzer,

Your observation about the French resistance fighting the alien Germans is right but it fails to explain the Korean and Vietnam wars. The Stalisnist Soveit Union did not occupy North Korea (though the Maoist China did)directly but did it with the aid of the proxy and puppet regime of Kim il-sung. South Korean were at one time overrun by the Stalinist Soviet armed forces of the North but they fought back and aided the Anglo American forces to regain the freedom of part of their country from the depotic rulers of the North. I suppose in your way of thinking they southernes should have stayed put and lived happily under the Soveit backed Kim Il Sung?!

Rezaiee's point is correct

Iranians can not change this regime in a peaceful manner and they need help from outside. If Italian's did not cooperate with allies, Italy would still be under the thumb of Mussolini. The one thing that we lack right now is the leader of this liberation front and until that time we have to wait.

As far as Soraya concerns, I am not sure why she writes about Dr. Mossadegh. She is an IRI apologist and I consider that a horrendous sell out. Since she likes IRI so much, she should put on her chador and get on the plane and get there ASAP.

Major Difference between Soraya and Q

So ? Why should I be concerned by your post ?

The major difference between you "Q" and Soraya is that You are writing under anonymity.

If I respect at least one thing in Mrs. Ulrich is that she at least has the courage of her opinions by exposing her real name. 

I certainly don't share her assessments but when it comes to you and so many of your fellow anaonymous contributors who don't have the guts after more than 30 years to even express your views in the light of the day.

Then you rant about me and others of not doing anything about the Bush and the neo cons ?

I HAVE ALWAYS EXPRESSED MY OPPOSITION TO WAR ON IRAN INCLUDING THE EVENTUAL USE OF SURGICAL STRIKES. BUT NOT TO GIVING THE IRI THE CREDIT FOR ANY POLITICAL RECUPERATION OF THIS CRISIS TO ITS OWN SURVIVAL.

AHMADINEJAD IS NOT, I REPEAT IS NOT MOSSADEGH.

Why should we refuse to express our concerns regarding the fact that the Iranian regime by acquiring nuclear technology will be even more powerful in suppressing Human Rights in our country ?

The issue here and you guys perfectly know that this is a political strategy that the IRI has VERY ASTUTELY adopted for its own survival and will most probably by now acquire it whether it is attacked or not. Why ? Because this is an Age of New Empires In the Making. The IRI knows perfectly that an attack on Iran will redistribute the cards in the region and maybe trigger off a new World Order where Russia and China will become its close partners and supporters and help develope its nuclear program anyhow given their common interests and that Israel will only be isolated further like a paranoiac island surrounded by a hostile and united Muslim World. All that to further Isolate the so called  BIG BAD COLONIALIST WESTERN WORLD and AMERICAN IMPERIALISM You seem to hate so much and see America First and Firmost OUT of any sphere of economic and political influence in the middle east and satisfy the Islamic Republic's Agenda of establishing itself as the Major military and political Force in the region and export its Revolution.

You are accusing the term "Axis of Evil" which I reject also but what do you expect to hear when Iran has been calling America and Israel EVER SINCE 1979 as tje BIG SATAN and now Denying the Holocaust. What did that have to do with our legitimate rights to nucleare energy ? Why did Ahmadinejad give the West the pretext to equate IRan with the Nazi Regime and jeapordize the chances of a peaceful solution to the nucleare dilemma today ? Was the Holocaust denial part of Ahmadinejad's Presidential Program when he was elected ? NO. So why did he come up "so innocently " with this ridiculous and criminal denial of the Holocaust in the first place ? 

Who WAS THE FIRST AGRESSOR in this WAR OF WORDS ? IRAN not the US or ISREAL. Now go back and repeat the 1953 argument just to justify Ahamadinejad's position. THAT IS HOW AHMADINEJAD IS HIGHJACKING MOSSADEGH's LEGACY WITH YOUR NAIVE SUPPORT !

You know PERFECTLY THAT Is the Real gamble here and NOT the so called surgical attack of cheaply built nucleare facilities that will NEVER lead to an INVASION of Iran because Neither America nor Israel can afford such a conflict.

Speaking of youtube here is another one for you and Soraya and  Let me say that I ENTIRELY SHARE DR. Abbass Milani's analyisis which both Soraya and You should ponder on his well reasoned arguments all the more that he cannot be accused of being neither a monarchist nor a supporter of WAR on Iran.

So instead of repeating the same baseless rhetoric of seeing a one dimensional world that convinces no one but yourselves I Suggest you to respond to Mr. Abbass Milani's arguments than speaking as if we were still stuck in 1953 ... 

THIS IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS TOO MR. ANONYMOUS "Q" BUT IN THE LIGHT OF THE DAY:

That's exactly what I thought, Kadivar

I'm not sure what "dictat" you are talking about "submitting" to, but I posed some reasonable discussion points to you. I asked how YOU who belittle Soraya about Mossadegh honored him yourself in whatever generation you were a part of? But you instead want to throw around accusations and attacks and ego-trips about patriotism. (What exactly is my "kind" by the way?)

I guess you think this is what a "real" patriot does "for Iran" right Darius? is this your way of helping Iran and Iranians? This is your contribution to protect Iran's national rights like Mossadegh did?

If so, I wish you the best of luck as there really isn't much more for us to talk about.

Now I have a video for you which is a lot more informed about how the world works.

Q & Soraya YOUR HYPOCRISY

First and Foremost my dear friends. I will NEVER submit myself TO ANY MUNICHAN DICTAT OF DEFEAT in the face of your pseudo Patriotism.

I do not belong to the generation of 1953 BUT I DO of that of 1979 and of DR. SHAHPOUR BAKHTIAR.

OUR PATRIOTISM WILL NOT BE HIGH JACKED BY YOUR KINDS So Spare me your sermons and comments on Bush and the Neo Cons.

And I won't allow your kinds of pseudo patriots and supporters of Ahmadinejad to HighJack DR. Bakhtiar's words that I hope will be deafening to your ears:

IRAN HARGEZ NAKHAHAD MORD !

One question Darius,

What exactly were Monarchists like yourself doing to honor Mossadegh in 1953 and the subsequent 25 years? It is truly remarkable how many priviledged Iranians were speaking of Mossadegh in the same exact terms as you are speaking of Ahmadienejad. They could not seperate their own politics from Iran's national interests, and you are not either.

You know perfectly well that all this talk of imminent War with Iran has been only benefiting the Islamic Republic of Iran

Kadivar, it sounds like you should be part of the antiwar movement to stop these threats of war against Iran. If what you truly believe, as by the way I do, that threats of external violence are hurting any kind of movement for freedom and democracy in Iran, you should be in the forefront of opposition to the Bush administration, calling for peace. Instead, you seem to think you are "helping" your country by attacking those who are doing something to prevent war, as opposed to just talking about it.

Do you really think you are helping anything other than your own ego by such vicious attacks and meaningless grandstanding?

There She goes again ... LOL

So I guess we have to see in your DR. Ahmadinejad the Dignified Successor to Dr .Mossadegh.

You Nailed It with you Paranoia once again DR. Soraya Khanoum ! ...

I wonder what you truly think of the current regime in IRan. Is it in any way defending the interests of Iranian citizens today ? Does it have a clean record in regard to Human Rights or has it worsened.

You know perfectly well that all this talk of imminent War with Iran has been only benefiting the Islamic Republic of Iran which by all standards stands against the interests of Iranian people as it has done in the past 30 years of existence. Thanks to people like you it will stay in power till both you and I retire.

So I guess YOU Dishonest Revisionists will also be recuperating the man who died by the hands of the Islamic Republic Thugs too and blame it on Reza Pahlavi.

HE DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM MRS. SORAYA ULRICH NOT AHMADINEJAD AND THE CRIMINALS OF THE IRI !

SHAME ON YOU !

IRAN HARGEZ NAKHAHAD MORD !

See-through fig leaf

Not that there ever was one, but the recent writings of the U.S. branch boss of CASMII lobby have left not an iota of a doubt about the lobby’s allegiance to the Islamist republic. The Islamist republic takes a dim view of the late nationalist hero Mossadegh, does not allow even an alley to be named in his honor, persecutes his true admirers and has written him out of the history of the oil Nationalization.  The Islamist republic and its supporters only pull out Mossadegh’s name when it suites their propaganda. It seems the point of attack of this card carrying CASMII lobbyist is Hassan Dai. The other lobby, NIAC, with many key members in common with CAMII lobby, has brought a legal action against Hassan Dai.  Warning to the self declared patriots, Mossadegh fig leaf is see-through.

Liberty is a do it yourself project for Iranians

Ramin Rezaiee, I sympathize with your interest in having better governance in Iran but asking another country to give you liberty is a dangerous proposition.

If America deposed the Iranian government then who's to say they'd ever leave Iran?
Sixty years after WWII America still has a sizable army in both Germany and Japan. In fact, the US army has military bases and over half a million troops in more than 50 countries.

And as Iranians have seen from post WWII history, American policy toward Iran can change completely every 4 years. For example:

Harry Truman threatened Stalin with war if he didn't honor his agreement to remove Soviet troops from northern Iran after the victory in WWII. Overall, Truman's treatment of Iran was probably beyond the expectations of Iranians.

On the other hand, Dwight Eisenhower caved in to British pressure for an overthrow of Iran's government. Eisenhower decided that British help in the Korean war was more important than the details of Iranian politics.

And today, if the US helped overthrow the mullahs and installed a pro-US government then who's to say that such a government wouldn't get dragged into the nonsense going on in Georgia?

My point being, if Iranians want liberty they are going to have to make it happen themselves. As soon as foreign agents/armies or even just bombs are involved you run the risk of exchanging one tyranny for another.

And yes, the French resistance did help the Allies liberate France from German occupation. That's a LOT different than an Iranian resistance helping the US liberate Iran from Iranians.

To Ramin Rezaiee

The French resistance both the Gaulists and the communists were fighting the Nazis inside the occupied France (being killed and tortured in the process) and when the time came for the Allied forces to land in Normandy where there, side by side the Americans, the British and the Canadians. What are your plans? Are you getting your pampered ass in gear for the "day of liberation" or are you like the rich Kuwaitis who camped out in Europe and waited out the Gulf War in night clubs and discos? The people of Iran don't need you and your likes to speak for them. They can speak and act for themselves. Keep your head in the sand and your rear-end in the air. It's fun to watch people like you too.

Well done!

Dear Soraya: Thanks for a well written piece, including further exposure of Timmerman's true loyalties. Now if the 'Frenh Resistence' sees that as supporting the IRI, I guess they are far more popular than most of us ever guessed.

Thank you Dear Soraya

It's shameful to see how some Iranians are promoting death and destruction of our country and trying to justify their pathetic stand every step of the way.
These selfish individuals are keeping themselves and their families safe abroad, living in comfort and freedom, wishing for surgical military attacks on the country.
It's shameful, it's criminal and it's absolutely not in the best interests of Iran.
They criticize the great Dr Mossadegh and they follow shady characters?
Reading your article brought pain to my heart and tears to my eyes. I can't believe what I see and read. Gheyrat-e Irani koja raft? Vatan doosti che shod? who are these people who wish death on other iranians and sound so proud of themselves?
what a shame...

Thank you for your article about Zendeh yaad Dr Mossadegh and the pitiful bunch of opportunists who are trying to smear his memory and reputation.