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15-Aug-2008
Stalin designed Georgia current borders. Stalin, himself an Ossetian, combined Abkhaziya and half of Ossetia with Georgia and consciously dividing the people of Ossetia into two parts.
To solve this ethnic problem, Georgia decided to unite the two separated parts of South and North Ossetia, but region was never part of post-Soviet Georgia.
As long as Georgia was a part of the Soviet Union, all ethnic conflicts within the Soviet zone of "interests", were not international issues. Yet, the issue emerged à la une after the dissolution of the USSR, when first in 1995 the two regions -- Abkhazia and South Ossetia -- became involved in conflicts with local separatists supported by Moscow. The issue ended in a de facto independence of South Ossetia from Georgia.
Yet, with a pro-US president in office, Georgia launched an assault earlier this month with artillery and rocket attacks on the separatists. Russia immediately reacted and showed the sharp claws of a polar bear. A much larger Russian army quickly crushed the Georgian assault. It is believed that the United States knew or even encouraged the Georgian attack. With the support of the US, Georgia hoped to annex the region.
If this conflict is to be resolved, only an international institution like the UN must intervene, not the US or NATO.
The US should now stay away from a new regional conflict, which is thousands of kilometers away from Washington. Because of its bad reputation in Iraq, stirring up internal problems in other countries, and its hunger for national resources of other countries, the Bush Administration does not have any lesson to teach to this part of the world with a totally different history and socio-economic background. Furthermore, there is nothing like "weapons of mass destruction" in this area.
In actuality, it is time to solve international problems through firm and reliable UN resolutions, rather than the bogus actions of world super-powers. It is obvious that the US, being the only power today with hegemonic desires, could generate further tension. The world is not going to sit and watch those self-baptised Yankee liberators in the Bush Administration try to impose their long outdated principles of "democracy" and "freedom".
The world has not forgotten that in 1961 the US and USSR came to the brink of nuclear war when the USSR was determined to set up atomic missiles in the US' backyard in Cuba. The Soviet move was in retaliation against US basing nuclear missiles in Turkey. Now we have the US -- via NATO -- again trying to further its military alliance in the Caucasuses.
It is not unreasonable to expect that Russia, rather than allowing events to continue down that road again, would act swiftly in self defence -- probably in the same way the US would react. I wonder what the Russians would do if a similar thing happened in their backyard. While they are still a major powerful and have the legacy of once being the strongest military superpower, they would say and do almost anything and get away with it.
There is no evidence that Russia intends to occupy Georgia, overthrow its government and install a puppet government. The Western media has not been reporting properly and honestly about the issue, rather they are exaggerating the conflict just like during the Cold War. Georgia is not Poland of 1939-40, divided by a German-Soviet pact, nor have we the same monsters like Hitler and Stalin in the East and West.
There is a much stronger ground for Germany and France, with their relatively better tradition of democracy and a lesser ambition of hegemony, to act as intermediaries to help bring about a ceasefire and reduce tensions until both sides with the help of the UN can achieve the best resolution. Despite failure to form a united stance on how to respond to Russia's military action in South Ossetia, Germany and France, because of their close relations with Russia, can play an important role to impede further escalation of violence.
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To: Jahanshah Rashidian
by programmer craig on Fri Aug 15, 2008 05:58 PM PDTThe UN is not going to do anything, as you well know. Neither is Western Europe. This will be up to Eastern Europe and central Asia to resolve. I actually happen to agree with you that the US should stay out of it. Although, we should arm the hell out of anyone who doesn't want to be a Russian province. The Russian military isn't what it was 20 years ago. The Eastern Europeans and central Asians can defend themselves, with a little help.
to: various liars
by programmer craig on Fri Aug 15, 2008 05:55 PM PDTThis is nothing compared the claims you made on the other blog:
"Russia attacked first" and "It's OK to beat your wife and kids".
I didn't say either of those things, and anyone who follows the link you so kindly provided can see that you are putting words in my mouth. Your IRI buddies won't care, that's SOP for you guys, but you wou would like to have some credinlity on the webiste wouldn't you? Or do you just plan on changing your name to something else? lol.
No one said Russia is a humanitarian power. Only you and a few other extremists see everything as a zero sum friend/foe game.
On the contrary. I've pointed out in several of these threads that I felt georgia had made some foolish mistakes. It is YOUR crew that is going on and on about Georgian "atrocities" and "Georgian aggression" without ever saying an unkind word about Russian brutality. I think it's obvious to everyone exactly what your position is on this. You are 100% pro-Russia. Why? Would you care to enlighten people about that?
Something Bad!
by Killjoy (not verified) on Fri Aug 15, 2008 05:54 PM PDTDear JR,
You must have done something terrible this time around. It seems all the supporters and apologists of IR are behind you 100%.
I'm befuddled by the whole-hearted support you're receiving from the horde which ordinarily attacks you, calling you all sorts of names and is quick to foul-mouthe you anytime you write about IR's crimes.
As I suggested under Mr. Madadi's article yesterday, let's concentrate on issues pertaining to Iran and discuss ways of bringing about democracy to our country while exposing IR's crimes.
to: suspects
by programmer craig on Fri Aug 15, 2008 05:44 PM PDTLets hear what American-Ossetians say.
Bit embarrassing for Fox audience;
I would think you'd be more embarrassed by the fact taht nobody has yet been able to verify anything like the "2000 dead" that the Russian propaganda has been shovelling out. The number has been revized downwards from thousands to dozens. Do you just think if you repeat the propaganda enough, people will believe it?
people of the region tend to identify with the heritage of their paternal family not the location where they were born.
Blah blah blah. Yes, you know all about it because you were boirn there, right? Ohm no, you know all about it because Iran used to ahve nominal control over the region 300 years ago.Who cares what Stalin identified HIMSELF as... we have some iranian experts to define his ethnic identity for him :D
haha no, joke is on you my ignorant "programmer" friend
by Anonymous8 (not verified) on Fri Aug 15, 2008 05:21 PM PDTpeople of the region tend to identify with the heritage of their paternal family not the location where they were born. It's not a surprise to anyone that there are Ossetians living in Gori which is the closest major town to the border of Ossetia. (A border that did not exist then).
This is nothing compared the claims you made on the other blog: "Russia attacked first" and "It's OK to beat your wife and kids".
No one said Russia is a humanitarian power. Only you and a few other extremists see everything as a zero sum friend/foe game.
You're a loser. Let's face it! you know nothing and can't fake it well either. Your silly games of oneupmanship over absolutely irrelevant crap, are great entertainment. your only redeeming value IMHO.
What American-Ossetians say
by 135 (not verified) on Fri Aug 15, 2008 05:18 PM PDTWhy there is no news updates on Georgian atrocity?
Is this because we turn on the tv and sheepishly believe in what they feed us? It's right in front of our noses and yet ...
What makes a journalist's life more valuable than ordinary people? Why don't we get to hear about their jobs and names then?
Which award or cash will those local people be receivng who lost family members, houses or lives?
Lets hear what American-Ossetians say.
Bit embarrassing for Fox audience;
//www.liveleak.com/view?i=d4f_1218758868
Usual suspects
by programmer craig on Fri Aug 15, 2008 04:45 PM PDTAnonymous8, XerXes, mehdi, 135... where are Q and sadhegh? Is it their day off?
Anonymous8 and other perps
by programmer craig on Fri Aug 15, 2008 04:43 PM PDTJR, your piece is correct and factual.
No, it isn't. He tells a lie in the very first sentence:
Stalin designed Georgia current borders. Stalin, himself an Ossetian
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
Joseph Stalin was born Ioseb Besarionis Dzhugashvili in Gori, Tiflis Governorate to Besarion Dzhugashvili, an Ossetian cobbler who owned his own workshop,[8] and Ketevan Geladze a Georgian who was born a serf.
Stalin't FATHER was Ossetian. His mother was Georgian, and he was born in Georgia (not Ossetia). Stalin was Georgian. How many times to the usual suspects have to get caught asserting that their co-conspirators are "correct" when they obviously aren't before you lose all credibilty?
Yes. get ready for a good laugh. Joke is on you, though.
A heroic female Georgian
by nikki (not verified) on Fri Aug 15, 2008 03:30 PM PDTA heroic female Georgian reporter was shot by a Russian sniper during a live TV broadcast today - but managed to continue giving her report while clutching her bleeding arm.
Tamara Urushadze suddenly disappeared from view in a commotion while giving her report in Gori today.
On Tuesday, Stan Storimans, a cameraman with Netherlands-based television channel RTL Nieuws, was killed during a bombing in Gori.
//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-...
On Tuesday, Stan Storimans, a cameraman with Netherlands-based television channel RTL Nieuws, was killed during a bombing in Gori.
At least, three journalists have been killed and nine wounded since fighting erupted Thursday between Russian, Georgian, and local forces in the disputed region of South Ossetia -CPJ.org.
//www.cpj.org/news/2008/europe/russ-geo12aug0...
I thought CASMII and NIAC were anti-war???
Farhad Kashani: how about Israel?
by Mehdi on Fri Aug 15, 2008 03:20 PM PDTLet's hear your views about the similar crimes of Israel in the past 60 years. What? Silence? I wonder...
Putin is Stalin
by Farhad Kashani on Fri Aug 15, 2008 02:21 PM PDTPutin is Stalin reincarnated. He wants to re-establish the Soviet empire and any former Soviet territory that stands in his way will be punished like Georgia was. Remember what he did to Ukraine?
Georgia was outspoken and wants to join NATO. There is no way that King Vladimir will accept that. Russia has attacked a sovereign nation and taken its land. Its foreign minister is clearly saying that Georgian territorial integrity means nothing to Russia.
Russia has been the worst possible neighbor a country could have. Russia has attacked all its neighbors. It attacked Japan, Iran, China, Mongolia, Finland, Afghanistan, and has occupied Estonia, Latvia, Lithuanian, Moldavia, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Estonia, and Tajikistan.
Russia is the definition of imperialism
Dear Anonymous8
by 135 (not verified) on Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:57 PM PDTYou are absolutely right on Craig!! He is obsessed with winning an argument, whether justified or not!!
He's not that far from O'reilly. A neocon cut.
Check him here;
//iranian.com/main/2008/last-brave-intellectu...
JR: good analysis but not
by Not Anonymous (not verified) on Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:48 AM PDTJR: good analysis but not very comprehensive.
I keep reminding myself that the Iranian diaspora has a large quotient of mindless leftover Stalinist/Marxist automatons among their readership of this site .
No mention is made by the Marxistist/commies of the BTC pipeline threatened by the Soviet invasion which serves as the only outlet of Central Asian oil & gas...
Just imagine if there was no US in the world and the likes of corrupt and fascistic Russia and China were the main super power, totally unchecked.
Scary thought for all of us, particularly the Islamist revolutionaries.
How do you think Russia and China will deal with Caliphate-building aspirant muslims revolutionaries??? Not a pretty picture...
what a fabulous world it would be if everyone lived together in one glorious state, marching lockstep towards the only true goal of human society - "glorious world communism/socialism"!!!
Human Rights Watch is having trouble finding anything like the figure of 2,000 civilian victims of the Georgian military that Russia keeps repeating:
Meanwhile, investigators began to look into allegations of atrocities committed in the separatist enclave of South Ossetia, where the war erupted on Aug. 8. Human Rights Watch reported that researchers witnessed “terrifying scenes of destruction” in four deserted ethnic Georgian villages, and said they the villages had been looted and burned by South Ossetian militias.
Anna Neistat, one of the researchers, said by telephone from Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, that they had found no evidence so far to substantiate Russian claims of widespread brutality by Georgian troops.
Human Rights Watch has been able to confirm fewer than 100 deaths — a far cry from the death toll of 2,000 regularly cited by Moscow.
“If the Russian government continues to claim that 2,000 people were killed as the result of the conflict, it’s time to provide some evidence, it’s time to provide some data, name, age, gender, the circumstances of death,” Ms. Neistat said.
//www.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/world/europe/14g...
Could not agree more
by XerXes (not verified) on Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:05 AM PDTAbsolutely. Well said.
excellent and refreshing essay UNLIKE PC's take
by Anonymous8 (not verified) on Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:53 AM PDTJR, your piece is correct and factual. Your solution is reasonable.
But if you like to see one based on nothing but patriotic ego, see Programmer Craig's "take" on the situation here. Get ready for a good laugh.
//iranian.com/main/blog/darius/could-be-t...
Good Analysis!
by Maryam Hojjat on Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:36 AM PDTThank you JR for analysis of this recent conflict.