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congratulations to Iran

Im always happy when iran makes progress.

Cant sait to see the first iranian astronaut in space in ten years time:
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Here, you can track Omid in real time!!

Follow this link haha, this is so cool, its currently over Africa, Algeria: //www.n2yo.com/?s=33506

RE: Darius Kadivar RE: Farrad0

Darius:
I completly agree with you baradar that Iran needs huge reforms and political changes. But if we dont show defense capabilities such as these, I promise you, there wont be any Iran in the future, so that we can fight for women, workers and press rights and so on.

Just because I hail Irans rocket science, defence capabilities etc does not mean I hail Irans womens rights etc.

The enemy is at the doorstep and they are waiting for us to F it up.
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Farrad:
If you cant see the tactical, economical and strategicial value of having such technology and nuclear technology, and how it will benefit our children back home in the future, then you really have not read much about it my friend.

This is not just fireworks

The ability to launch your own satellites without being dependent on Russian commercial and expensive rockets is a huge strategic upper hand. Telecommunications, national security, general space exploration etc depend on such tech.

choghok

Your statement, "It is just one way for IRI to turn up peoples patriotic feelings and support for them, just like the nuclear program," commits the fallacy of composition. Patriotic feelings and support for the IRI are two unrelated concepts. 

To: Darius Kadivar

Darius jan,

I couldn't agree more.

Could you post a translation of the lyrics? Great song and music!

The Same Reaction

A US state department official said the launch was of "great concern" and could lead to ballistic missile development.

What a joke.  Every technological advance is a "concern" now.  This administration is run by the same clowns as the previous one who claimed Saddam bought Uranium from Nigeria!

Let them make their own stories but we should continue on our own.  Soon they will realize that their sanctions are not effective.

This is great news and we're proud of the scientists who did it!

But it doesn't change the nature and fabric of IRI regime and what it is doing to our mother-land in many areas!  And it doesn't help the people of Iran in their most pressing problems!

The regime's report card on many issues in social, economic and political domains is filled with failing grades. All you need to do is to experience a health issue in any of Iran's cities (never mind the rural areas) and see the effectiveness of the health care system. Look at the young people and their prospects for the future. Just try to get together with 2 other friends and discuss a good book over coffee, more than once or twice!Just examine the UN indicators on health and social development and see where Iran stands among other nations of the world; certainly not worthy of a nation who is capable of putting a satellite in orbit, is it?! Try to implement a new idea for a product or service in Iran, etc, etc.

So, they spent billions and dedicated many scientists to the task of perfecting rocket technology! And sure, we are proud of the young scientists who did this work, but how does it exactly help the Iranian people and their most pressing issues today?!

VOUS N'AUREZ PAS MA LIBERTE DE PENSER ! ;0)

TO ALL THE ANONYMOUS ATTACKERS, IRI APOLOGISTS,PSEUDO PATRIOTS AND HAMAS TEARJERKERS ! HERE IS MY ANSWER TO YOU AND YOUR PRO IRI EGO BOOSTERS !

Ma liberté de pensée by Florent Pagny ( Price $0.99)

Quitte à tout prendre prenez mes gosses et la télé,
Ma brosse à dent mon revolver la voiture ça c’est déjà fait,
Avec les interdits bancaires prenez ma femme , le canapé,
Le micro onde, le frigidaire,
Et même jusqu'à ma vie privée
De toute façon à découvert, je peux bien vendre mon âme au Diable,
Avec lui on peut s’arranger,
Puisque ici tout est négociable, mais vous n’aurez pas,
Ma liberté de penser.

Prenez mon lit, les disques d’or, ma bonne humeur,
Les petites cuillères, tout ce qu’à vos yeux a de la valeur,
Et dont je n’ai plus rien à faire, quitte à tout prendre n’oubliez pas,
Le shit planqué sous l’étagère,
Tout ce qui est beau et compte pour moi , j’ préfère que ça parte a l’Abbé Pierre,
J’ peux donner mon corps à la science,
S’ il y’a quelque chose à prélever,
Et que ça vous donne bonne conscience, mais vous n’aurez pas,
Ma liberté de penser.

Ma liberté de penser.

J’ peux vider mes poches sur la table,
Ca fait longtemps qu’elles sont trouées,
Baisser mon froc j’en suis capable, mais vous n’aurez pas,
Ma liberté de penser.

Quitte à tout prendre et tout solder,
Pour que vos petites affaires s’arrangent,
J’ prends juste mon pyjama rayé , et je vous fais cadeaux des oranges,
Vous pouvez même bien tout garder,
J’emporterai rien en enfer,
Quitte à tout prendre j’ préfère y’ aller,
Si le paradis vous est offert,
Je peux bien vendre mon âme au diable,
Avec lui on peut s’arranger,
Puisque ici tout est négociable, mais vous n’aurez pas,
Non vous n’aurez pas,
Ma liberté de penser.

Ma liberté de penser

Be Careful and not cheerful

Although there is a matter of pride  in this news be careful who and what you cheer.

The money to develop all these rockets comes from Revolutionary guards which is a maffia state within the state and controls 1/3 of the countries wealth. It is the same institution that is the present government of Iran so it would not be strange if Ahmaghinezhad has put a lot of people's money into this project as well.

There are no doubts about Iranian scientists abilities and achievements. But in a faulty system like IRI where the state is not even able to fix peoples basic needs like schooling and hospitals it is a surprise to see that financial and management part also working. Rockets are not a necesity in an Iran where poverty and illiteracy still exist. It is just one way for IRI to turn up peoples patriotic feelings and support for them, just like the nuclear program. Something that by reading some of the comments here I think they have achieved.

Do not fall into their trap. 

I would rather cheer and be proud the day most of Iranians would be understanding and democratic people and IRI would be a part of history.

/Bidar bash ke ma bekhabim

Congratulations and cheshm hasood koor

Congratulations to the good people of Iran and to the good people of the world for this great achievement by Iranian scientists, engineers and technicians, for the cause of independence and welfare of populations.

As Bahrami jaan (below) says

"If the west, Israel, and their apologists ... try to put this accomplishment down, it must be good!

Payandeh Iran"

Paykan (1965-2002)

Our best technological achivement was changing the front lights of Paykan for 36 years.

Also the battery was called "Nirou : Power" made by Varta, and changed the lable in Yellow.

This at the time of Shah, when we have all technical assistance.

BTW : Since Dr. Ahmadinejad comes to power a lot of things goto air with succes with 3 "Ya Hossain".

Thses are all results of "Sigheh, Nekah, Jema and Zena" it makes the brain fast working and all Iranian engineers build this thing with no perrior experinces and easy finding the parts (at Wall-Mart)in just 2 years (Much faster than Israelis).

Allh-O-Akbar.

Check out Iran's road building achievments too!

It make me feel good to see Iran's achiements.I do not care if it is done under Mullah's reime or Shah's regime,it belongs to Iranian people.Those scientists and tecnicians work for money.It does not make a difference if the money comes from Mullah's or Shah' pocket,but I wish they could do someting about our roads too!
VIdeo://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsTx2ZR3OK0

I'm so proud!

Congratulations

An incredible achievement for Iranian scientists and engineers. A proud nation, in spite of its rulers, will ultimately live up to its potential.

Reply to Kiann

You ask: "Was an Aftabeh included with this satellite? Just curious..."

I don't know buddy. Why don't you ask Zion? She seems to know everything there is to know about Iranian aviation, international agreements, and Persian language. She might know this one, too, or she will refer to her desk manual to pull out an answer for you (or a bunny rabbit, whichever is more appropriate in your case). She will. Don't forget to thank her, she won't forget kindness like that!

You guys are hilarious..

When did I say ANYTHING about Shah being good and not condemning his mistakes, etc.?

Yes, indeed this is a matter of pride for Iranians, myself included. That is why the FIRST word in my post was CONGRATULATIONS. In fact I sympathize with the poor scientist and engineer who works on this stuff, contributes to their country, and is not allowed to think, believe, eat,drink, dress, and go to the bathroom how they want. I never say anybody should or should not take pride in this launch, or what to think or what not to think, I am just expressing my opinion. I am not trying to "fool anyone" or be condescending or anything. SO GET OVER IT.

Now for those of you who are offended by the notion of Iran being stuck in the 7th century:

A country who stones people to death for punishment is stuck in the 7th century.

A country who calls a woman half a man is stuck in the 7th century.

A country who rapes women in prison before they execute them because they cannot be virgins when executed is stuck in the 7th century.

A country who does not give you the right to exist unless you follow one of 4 religions is stuck in the 7th century.

A country who says you must wash your hand after coming in contact with a Christian, Jew, or dog because they are untouchable is stuck in the 7th century.

A country that says a woman should be forced to cover her hair or go to jail because a man might look at her and corruption might happen is stuck in the 7th century.

Shall I go on?

So for those of you who question when I was last in Iran, the answer is VERY RECENTLY. Good thing they didn't know my real thoughts, because I would have been denied the right to exist under the law.

The real question is, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE IN IRAN? Because all of the above holds TODAY. THIS MINUTE. If you notice, that is.

You're proud of Iran sending up a North Korean Copy of a 50 year old Russian rocket which was itself a copy of a 65 year old German rocket? You cannot even have an ADULT discussion with your compatriot! Oh, what, am I not your compatriot? Because I don't happen to subscribe to your opinion?

As far as Razi, Avicenna, et al, of course Iranians, myself included, are very proud of them. But THEY WEREN'T LIVING IN THE 21st CENTURY. Their country and system were not behind for the times and the world they were living in. I have news for you in case you didn't realize: WE ARE BEHIND TODAY.

A thousand rockets and satellites cannot help a backward intolerant mind.

sheeeeeez!

-FAIR

Was an Aftabeh included with this satellite?

Just curious...

It's good to hear this news

whether you love or hate the government of Iran, this is an achievement that we should be proud of. It's also good to see that they picked an Iranian name 'Omid' for this satellite, not some stupid Arabic name.

concerned about Iranian lives!? (to Zion)

Zion says: "I hear a lot of domestic flights crash in Iran. I wonder why these "friendly" specialists don't fix the planes to save some lives instead. "

Zion_jAn, as a person who has advocated surgical attack of Iran, why are you concerned about Iranian lives?

Blind opposition groups only belittle themselves!

It is so sad to see some idiots blindly and hatefully try to close their eyes on some basic realities. This will only cost them heartache.
Any one who puts down any small step great Iranian people take forward is either against Iran progress or have a vested interest in destroying Iran for their own benefits.

Just take a look at what Zion says: He is so CONCERNED about loss of Irani lives in commuter airplanes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! If I was so concerned as Zion is, I would go and protest to US state Dept to allow sale of commercial plane spare parts for HUMANITERIAN PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats to all the Chinese, the Russian, N.Korean...specialists

I hear a lot of domestic flights crash in Iran. I wonder why these "friendly" specialists don't fix the planes to save some lives instead. One would think it is easier to do than this one, but not strategically beneficial to this axis of "friendly states". Go figure.

To the one calling himself "Fair"

Do yourself a favour and try not to act like a grandpa with your condescending ranting. You can't pull it off, for you do not even sound mature enough to feign impartiality! you,re not fooling anyone! Why are you trying to make this about Palestine, Israel or Darfur -- or what have you? What does this have to do with any of that?! This is about Iran and Iranians. Whether you like it or not, this is a matter of pride for Iranians.

You know nothing about Iran and Iranians. If you did, you would not called them "stuck in the 7th century." perhaps this does not mean anything to you, but please, speak for yourself and not on behalf of all Iranians. Not only this, but even a soccer victory would mean so much for Iranians all over the country to pour in the street and fly the Iranian (yes, IRI's) flag well into the wee hours of morning. What makes you think that you know things about the Iranian society which are unknown to millions of Iranians? You are the one who is supposed to come to terms with tolerating others' views. Don't try to portray your demons as those of the whole population of Iran!

IRI is a despotic regime, so was the monarchy. If you really care about Iranian's rights and freedom, why don't you say anything about the breach of human rights under the Shah? Why does it always start with the "during the past 30 year," and not before that? Didn't Shah build the dreaded Evin and Gohardasht prisons? Didn't Shah torture thousands of political prisoners in Evin, Ghezelhesar, Ghasre... prisons? Wasn't a woman's right half as much as a man during the Shah's rule? What makes Shah better than IRI? Is it because women could wear mini skirts?

Yes, IRI's elections are not fair, but when was the last (or even first) time that Shah held an election? The reason that demonstrations are suppressed under IRI is that at least people can make it to the streets to protest. But when was the last time a demonstration (other that pro-shah 4th of Aban and 6th of Bahman) took place under the Shah. Yes, I know, it was when the Shah hand no control over the population in 1978 and was eventually kicked out of Iran!

What does that all mean? That until a regime approved by you rules Iran, people have no right to take pride in their country's achievements? Who do you think you are?!

to Fair?

Pick your battle Mr./Ms. Fair
We have a choice to accept this as a leap toward greater developments or cramp it and reject it because it was done under supervision of the mullahs! the reality is the PEOPLE of Iran are the owner of that technology and whatever else that is or has achieved in Iran. The government of Iran like her entire history can come and go what remains behind and we celebrate has nothing to do with the regeme that is ruling Iran good or bad. For example: Kharazmi invented Aljebra or Razi discovered Alcohol, or Avesina was the greatest Physician till the 18th century but they all wrote their findings in arabic because Iran was under their rules and they had no other choice. But I guess if you were living at the time I take it your view would have been that they are traitors? and it is a shame that we have people that think in lines other than politics?
Some people are wired to think and care about politics, some are about math and others poetry, The arabs are long gone, but the name Razi or Avesina or Kharazmi is still announced proudly by all iranians across the globe and defend them dearly. and that is what has happend in iran today! the mullahs will leave sooner or later, but the achievement of those smart, clever and hard working kids that did this will always stay in our minds and heart. u must deal with things one by one step by step and don`t reject everything."pick your battle"

Shah didn't deserve this great nation

Iranians could have made all these accomplishments even 50 years ago if Shah was not a nokar of the west to sell the country and all its resources to foreigners. Of course, the west doesn't like to see a progressed nation in the Middle East sitting on an ocean of petroleum. No wonder they have always supported their loyal servants like Shah and the Saudi kings to suppress the national talents and create consumer societies for them. Compare the scientific accomplishments of the 30 years under Shah to those of the last 30 years with all the sanctions, war, and other restrictions imposed on the country. I'm not defending the ruling mullahs. I'm defending the talented Iranians who will do wonder if they have the opportunity.

be fair Fair!

Fair says: "But such achievements mean nothing if your country is stuck in the 7th century. "

I am not sure when you were in Iran last, but I was there not too long ago. Iran is NOT "stuck in the 7th century", and therefore such an achievement means a lot.

Khar geer

"But such achievements mean nothing if your country is stuck in the 7th century."

K*** nagu

عزیزان اگر ذوق کردین بقیه اش رو بگین، کار صدام میکنه...

به سعی ای آهنین دل مدتی باری بکش کآهن   ‫به سعی، آیینهء گیتینما و جام جم گردد

‫پرده پندار میباید درید   ‫توبهء زهاد میباید شکست

‫توانا بود هر که دانا بود   ‫ز دانش دل پیر برنا بود

‫ثریا با علو همت تو   ‫به نسبت چون ثری پیش ثریا

جامی است که عقل آفرین میزندش   ‫صد بوسه ز علم بر جبین میزندش

Congratulations, and grow up

Congratulations to all Iranians for this scientific and engineering achievement.

But such achievements mean nothing if your country is stuck in the 7th century.

They mean nothing if Iranians cannot even have a basic discussion and tolerate each other's views.

Mr. Kadivar spoke his heart, expresses his concern for his country honestly, and look at Iranians here ridicule him for not sharing their enthusiasm, and even bringing once again Palestine and Israel and Gaza into this.

Which country are you guys from anyway?  And if you are so concerned about other people's suffering, why don't I EVER hear any of you condemning Darfur, which is happenning at the hands of the Sudanes government and Muslim militias?  A government that has received military aid from Iran?Or about Rwanda?  Can you even find it on a map?  Do you even know how many Rwandans were killed in that genocide?  Or you don't give a damn because they were not your "muslim brothers"?  (the same "brothers" wholeheartedly supported Saddam in raping Iran by the way..what a family!)

Don't make the mistake that the Shah made- modernization needs to happen in the mentality and minds of your people first and then you can make cars and rockets and industries and so on, and then it will mean something.  It means NOTHING if you send a rocket into space but you stone people to death and you officially count a woman as half a man and do not acknowledge the existence or citizenship of anyone who does not follow a state sanctioned religion in your constitution, and need I go on?

This sort of empty pride is the same crap that let thugs like Stalin and his successors (who also put satellites into space before anybody by the way)  and Hitler (who put up the world's first jet and rocket, etc.) stay in power for so long, and the IRI is no different.  Remember you are in the 21st century.  What is your vision for your country?  Honestly?

Grow up.  Be

FAIR

Great achievement!

My hat off to all those dedicated and talented scientists, engineers, and technicians who have made every "true" Iranian proud.

If the west, Israel, and their apologists like DK try to put this accomplishment down, it must be good!

Payandeh Iran