Misc

bystanders

It is easy to blame the bystanders and take the anger on them by chastising them or calling them bi bokhar and bi gheyrat.

Lets look at it this way, IF this was an isolated instance, then you people would be absolutely correct. Problem is incidents like these occur on daily bases, and the target is not only the women. Although women are brutalized more savagely, but young men are also subject of this so called[dress code crap].

Last time I was in Iran, almost past June, there was a big[begeer begeer] targeted at young men. Their crime! tight T-shirts, or jeans, long hair, basically up fashion. They were being rounded up, taken to jail, more than likely beaten , their heads shaved and released on bonds to the family. I personally was stopped couple of times, since I wear my hair long in a pony tail.

This so called dress code which they impose on women, has much deeper reach than what meets the eyes. This is one of IR brutally effective tools and scare tactics to suppress the entire NATION. They exert more pressure when there is a discontent in the society such as inflation, joblessness or shortage of basic necessities.

By cracking down on these so called Bad Hejabs, they distract people from the real issue. How can one blame the other when they are being suppressed as well?

-YT

Dear Kaveh

I agree with you but refuse to judge people. Let's say that there is a man who has a wife and couple of kids. He is standing there and watching all this in front of him. He might want to do something but he is thinking about his family and their immediate concerns.This happens even here and if there is a fight or misconduct, many people don't want the hassle to get involve.

I might not want to get involve either. Is it right? It's hard to judge. One must live there longer than the average tourists, hangout with people and get a feel of the society to be able to make a better judgement.

Abarmard

You may be one of those who would do nothing, and that is your right.

But "doing nothing" is what has cultivated this environment where enforcement of these so-called "laws" is dependent upon the directon of the wind.

When one sees an injustice and does nothing, they have no right to expect anything to change, and as far as I'm concerned, they don't have the right to enjoy the fruits of the labor of those who did something.

Abarmard

Thanks for clarifying your stance and sorry if I should have known it before this.. I also agree with your point about bystanders, as I said before I think they are no more guilty than any other Iranian anywhere who is a bystander.

Happy Friday to you too:)

-FAIR

Fair

This is not a new video and was displayed a while back here at Iranian.com. My position is very clear, I am against all these social restrictions. What is there to say? If you are wondering about my position, then you are not clear about my stand.

I still find it comical for those who talk about the people standing around "doing nothing", and my comment was for them. I doubt any one of those individuals would have done anything either.

Happy Friday

Abarmard

It is interesting that you have comments on those who commented, but no comment whatsoever about the incident itself.

And with a name like Abarmard, you complain about Rostam being pahlevan?:)

-FAIR

some comments

Some comments here are the reminder of the saying: man aanam keh rostam bovad pahlevaan

A video is indeed worth 10,000 words !

Institutional morality at work.

Foundation: amr be maroof nahy az monker.

Alborz

The real question is: is this government or people?

Most people here consider this a government oppressing its people. But really, look at the people, how they take no action or even approve of it. And this is probably Tehran. It would be worse in smaller cities. So is it really the government oppressing people or is it more like people that have backward culture and beliefs? I know what some people will say - that the government has made people scared, etc. But these are the same people that took out Shah's regime which was far more democratic and brought in specifically a regime to enforce Islamic law. So back to the question again!

Streets in Nazi Germany were also quite safe

When the law is not legitimate and does not have the backing of the people and is dictated to them by unelected tyrants, then the police are not separable from the tyrants. Sounds like you would have also been proud of the SS and the Gestapo, who were indeed very professional when they arrested Jews, Gypsies, and other people who were not desirable from the Nazi's standpoint.

And dear Kaveh- thank you for your kindness.

As far as the bystanders, I don't blame them. I actually blame every Iranian man and woman wherever they may be (especially those living abroad in freedom) that is not doing something to bring down the mullahs' government. There are many Iranians in positions of doing something- look at all the money and influence Iranian Americans have. But I see them nagging about Palestinians way more than they do about Iranian victims like the one in this video.

And of course, many of these people were the ones who went into the streets in 1978-79 as I mentioned before.

For example, Iranian Americans could easily spend $50 a year each to fund one good quality radio station that broadcasts cultural and political information to Iran. They don't. And then when Voice of America does that, people complain that it is meddling and covert operations. Many of the people I hear say this haven't even listened to Radio Farda or VOA, otherwise they would have noticed they are very nice programs sending music and news. Now wouldn't it be better if we all just started our own radio station instead of the US government doing it for us?

On the other hand, look at how much Iranian Americans spend on our cars and clothes and nice houses. While the girl like the one in this video and thousands like her spend the night in jail for revealing a few strands of hair. And others get stoned to death and hung without any trial.

Maybe we secular Iranians could take a few lessons from the mullahs in the 1970's when it comes to organizing an opposition and reaching out to our people with a message.

-FAIR

To: FAIR

Beautifully expressed. A dead-on summation of the past 30 years of unadulterated hell.

To SO SAD: Also, very well put.

These so-called men who just stood there like idiots are gutless pieces of trash. Men are supposed to be protectors of women.

Agha Shirazi.....what is depicted in this video is also an example of anarchy.

خاک بر سر مردم بی بخار ایران

اگه دو بار مردم جمع بشن و جلوی این مزدور ها رو بگیرن این بساط جمع میشه.

To Agha Shirazi

You feel safer in the streets of Tehran than most Western Cities?!! You know, I didn't want to say anything but your comment really pissed me off. When was the last time you were in Iran? You mean to tell me that the cops in Iran have more of a humanity than the ones here. The cops have to live by two things in their lives. Ethics and rules. None of those exist in Iran, my intelligent friend!

baba...

eek kare engelesaas!
the mullahs are the tools of the brits and the french....as long as we have oil in iran, they will try to dominate and take our resources.
the akhoonds are just puppets....everything is based on a plan....to create a generation of apathetic people who have to worry about getting bread on their table and not be able to think about toppling the mullahs...all this in a country that is floating on oil and natural gas!
call me daee jaan napelon....but that is the truth....

the police

I feel safer on the streets of Tehran than I do in most Western cities! All of my foreign friends who have visited Iran feel the same way!

Police don't make the rules they merely enforce it. This is the same ANYWHERE in the world! I can't see why people are blaming the police? I am very proud of Iranian police forces and hold them in the highest esteem.

And all this business about why the bystanders weren't doing anything!?!? wtf? Are you lot serious? That's where anarchy starts.

Every dog has its day

The judiciary system in Iran has become an outlet for a bunch of psychological-complex-driven maladjusted "oghde'i" individuals to get a fix for their sociopath / psychopathic releases on any civilian they think has a better life or time than them. But as they say: "every dog has its day!"

Darius 45 whats your point?

so its OK to behave this way because Americans or someone else does it?
you Hezbollahis always use an example of someone elses atrocities or media and it has become an excuse for you
well know this people will remember these faces and will take names
payback is only natural and 56 million under 30 years old
are up and coming.

Can you imagine resisting a

Can you imagine resisting a police order in US -- or for that mater any other civilized country?

Shame!!!!!!

Shame on all of those people, who in any shape or form support this criminal Islamic regime in Iran. I think those people standing around and watching this should be ashamed, where is humanity, or does that mean anything in Islamic Iran?

Rapist Criminals

These are the so called men, who give themselves the right to force their will on a defenseless woman. These are the men who say it is ok for an 8 year old girl to be married to an adult.

These are the men who say that if a woman's hair shows more than some hairy man decreed in his book, it will cause unbearable corruption on Earth. But scenes like this are somehow acceptable.

And then there are those who call for "reform" of a system based on such ideas. Or those who call for "greater understanding" and "dialog" with these people. Right, let's talk with rapists and child abusers over a cup of tea and discuss common ground.

The only reason anybody should ever talk to such criminals is because they have no choice. Like the position the US finds itself in now.

"Nuclear energy is our undeniable right"! But reading, thinking, wearing, eating, drinking, and saying what we want does not seem to be.

I hope those of you who went into the streets in 1978 and demanded an Islamic government are happy now. Especially the ones who ended up in the good ol' USA so that my generation could get left behind and brutalized like this poor girl while your kids could go to American universities and live a normal life.

-FAIR

shame on man

What a brave women to resist- and gutless young man are just standing around..

shame on Iranian man.

Power to Iranian Women

The concept of "Police" in Iran

Imagine for a moment...a government that that takes your tax money and your nation's enormous oil, carpet, pistachio, etc... export revenue and uses that money to fund its Police force to in turn oppress you and frighten people ----

...instead of PROTECTING you.

That thuggish government is the IRI.

Iran is where the number one priority for its police force is to act as a "monster", and to instill fear in the people instead of a resource to provide protection.

We were always afraid of the "Police" until we immigrated to the West. Then we learned that the Police are there to protect the people and not to turn against its own people.

Iran is so behind in civilization. No wonder we have to keep bragging about our ancient history. We no longer have a civilized society to speak of.

Where's is Abarmard...

to come and justify this atrocity under "Iran's laws".  I have left him a message under another thread to comment on this video.  here's the link:

 //iranian.com/main/news/2009/05/13/roxana-saberis-plight-and-american-media-propaganda

Let's see if he has the courage to show his face on this thread.  I Doubt it.

When are these Animals going

When are these Animals going to stop being animals and act like civilized human beings??? Is it too much to ask to be human???

F*@k them all.

PLANET WERIDO

I have seen this video before, but I am sure this happens everyday in every corner of the cities.

To me, it seem like watching an episode of twilight zone! I can never believe this is Iran and all those men standing around and watching these events like a GOV and doing nothing about it. It is so sad. Very sad.

Islamic Republic must be destroyed and will be soon.

Down with IRI

Lanat bar Mohammad va al kasseefasch. We are Iranians not Arabs, Islam is for Arabs not for us Iranians, sharia law is for desert people not for us Iranians, Hejab is for backward people not for us Iranians, wild behavior is for barbarian of arabian desert not for us Iranians etc.