There Is No 'Ground Zero Mosque'

Keith Olbermann Special Comment

The "Ground Zero Mosque" is many things, but it is neither at ground zero nor is it really a mosque. So argued Keith Olbermann during Monday night's edition of "Countdown" on MSNBC. In a Special Comment lasting twelve minutes, the commentator ripped into the case being made by critics of the Cordoba House. The proposed Muslim community center would be located two blocks away from the site of the World Trade Center, which was destroyed on September 11, 2001 by Islamic extremists:

23-Aug-2010
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HHH

Mr. Olberman It's Too Late

by HHH on

They've already began muslim genocide and the number of dead muslims are getting close to 2,000,000.


thexmaster

Houshang

by thexmaster on

62% in the same poll also said they don't personally know anyone who is a muslim.  I think if alot of these americans got to meet muslims, they'l see that they're just normal human beings trying to make a living like the rest of them and not raving head-chopping psychopaths looking to impose 'Sharia'.  Of course, some people will never change their view:

 

//littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37006_Vide...

The guy sais he's not even muslim. lol.  They don't care.  In the first protest, they attacked two christian egyptians since they seem to fit the profile.


Darius Kadivar

Abarmard Jaan I'd like to think it's OUR Country Collectively

by Darius Kadivar on

And Not JUST Yours OR Mine ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HdNBjnJ6A

Unfortunately I have not had that impression with YOUR Revolution Nor the Republic which it created in our ancient Land for the past 30 years and which has deprived me and my Loved ones like many other exiled Iranian Families from what is RIGHTFULLY AND EQUALLY Ours: IRAN !

And Yes I do have a Better way and a Legitimate one and that is to demand your Republic's Leadership to UNCLENCH it's Fists when it comes to Our Fellow Compatriots:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uPOOgitWyg&feature=related

That may be a Starting Point towards Mutual Respect and understanding don't you think ? 

I very much doubt that this will ever be the case with the People you chose to side with if not wholeheartingly yet ideologically to date ...


Hoshang Targol

The US is also where 62% of the population is opposed to

by Hoshang Targol on

building this Islamic Community Center, ICC ( a multi-level building with swiming pool, meeting rooms, library and two floors for a masjid, open to all) in NYC. This ICC is based on a Jewish Community Center as their model, JCC is also in NYC.

And if you thought such opposition is due to the religious nature of the project, think again.  I presume most of you are familiar with the draconian anti-immigrants laws passed in Arizona. In survey after survey, poll after poll 2/3 of Americans were in favour of the laws passed in Arizona, and a few states are in the process of passing very similar ones, (all this in the US, a country built by immigrants). 

What are the reasons behind such xenophobic conduct, and more importantly what is the best way to mobilize and organize against them? No easy answers for any of them. What do you think? 


Abarmard

Dk jaan, now it's my Republic

by Abarmard on

Next you are going to say, it's my country :0

Yes, it is what it is today. If I had powers I would change everything, but unfortunately I have to accept small steps, if any. There are some realities in Iran that if one is familiar with, knows that certain ways/thinking is rooted deep in our beliefs and ideas...I think there is room to use those rooted ideas for positives. Kind of like modernizing an old way of thinking, similar to Christians way back. No better idea is out there beside yours, but I think that instead of waiting until people begin to see the benefits of having Shah back, we would have better chances to see Iranians modernize their thinking. 

You might not think so and I might, what can we do?


Darius Kadivar

Abarmard Jaan Maybe ... But it's Still Your Republic ...

by Darius Kadivar on

Khatami on Democracy and Religion as being inseparable entities: 

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUza-yhd9dM

 


Abarmard

Darius Kadivar jaan

by Abarmard on

That's not my democracy. We are all in search of better(much) system, some want upgrade, some want another brand, and some want any positive movements/change. In all cases, I don't believe anyone wants what it is-as is:)


Darius Kadivar

Abarmard Jaan Your Lips to Allah's Ears ;0)

by Darius Kadivar on

"It's democratic ideas and hosts like this that create hope for the future in the USA, not seeing black and white( aka hate). We are bigger than tiny people who use separation as calming medication for their fear of humanity and our natural mix blend. 
US is where freedom of expression and individualism equates patriotism, and that's worth fighting for."

Agreed ... I wish this was also true In Your Democracy :

//iranian.com/main/2010/aug/ahmad-khatami

//iranian.com/main/2010/aug/omid-djalili


Abarmard

A passionate speech

by Abarmard on

It's democratic ideas and hosts like this that create hope for the future in the USA, not seeing black and white( aka hate). We are bigger than tiny people who use separation as calming medication for their fear of humanity and our natural mix blend. 
US is where freedom of expression and individualism equates patriotism, and that's worth fighting for.


It's about law and constitution. Great speech.


MRX1

Watching this guy

by MRX1 on

and the rest of the gang in MSNBC is like watching or reading pravda and/or izvestia during soviet times. If people in New York don't want this moque or an islamic center in that location so be it, and if people who want to build this islamic entity is actualy trying to promote peace and harmoney among religons as they claim, they can move it in another location unless thier motive is some thing else.


Darius Kadivar

He Used to Comment Football Matches Right ?

by Darius Kadivar on

That should explain why his Adrenaline always goes high all the time !

Fair Arguments Though !

For Once I don't entirely disagree with him on this issue. Although I think the dabate should not be held on a national level but rather on a local scale with the ultimate decision to be taken by New Yorkers themselves on whether or not they wish to see this muslim center ( or mosque ? or whatever it is or is supposed to be) erected nearbye Ground Zero ...

I personally Recall seeing many photos of Muslim Women in NY immediately after the Tragedy of Sept 11th standing in dignity holding the American Flag as theirs. It is wrong to stigmatize an entire community for their faith.

Strangely this whole debate reminds me of a movie The Siege (1998) hauntingly made 3 years prior to Sept 11th and which was about Muslims in NY and how they were bullied because of the wrong doings of a minor few who happened to be Terrorists:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GooCV0wu_xg 

Maybe that should be a lesson not to repeat the same intolerant pattern no matter how this initiative may sound clumsy and provocative if the case ...

And then again to my humble knowledge there were also Muslims amongst the innocent Victims of 9 / 11 ...