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By the way,
by Dr. X on Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:39 AM PDTone of them says they dont want anyone to go under the control of anything other than God....and who delegated this authority to them? I never heard of any such referendum that allowed them to do this. This is also what Khamenei states, he just wants people to follow God's orders (of who his supporters claim he is a direct representative of on Earth). This is a dangerous mentality, and one of the inherent problems of a non secular government. I dont know, maybe beating protesters and shooting them dead in the street is their way of upholding God's will on earth?
This has nothing to do with
by Dr. X on Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:42 PM PDTThis has nothing to do with Shahi's, but I will also make it clear I personally am not a Monarchist, as I would imagine many others who are criticial of this group are not Monarchists either. Sure, give credit where credit is due. These are not the Basijis of 20 or 30 years ago, they are completely different people, as was the clerical leadership of 30 years ago. at that time the leadership (Khomeini) was legitimate with the majority of people. Today, Khamenei does not enjoy that same kind of legimitacy among Iranians, even inside Iran. The point is, we are not talking about what Basijis did for Iran 20 years ago (even though i am against brainwashing a 12 year old, and giving him a key to heaven, and a Koran, so he will run over landmines) we are talking about what is happening today inside Iran, oppression of human rights and personal freedoms with the use of violent force by this group. (unless all the videos we see of it are just propaganda, and someone made them up, no one was jailed, beaten, and tortured, murdered?)
HMM
by fingfungfooyeee on Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:47 PM PDTI know I may sound bad or what ever and the shahi's may not like to hear it, however. With out these men, the capital city of tehran would be baghdad and Iran would be in the same situation Iraq is in right now. You gotta give credit where credit is due.
Abarmard
by Dr. X on Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:25 PM PDTThese people are part of a group that has adopted a particular ideology that many people resent. It may sound unfair, but a generalization is not completely unwarranted. One may make the same argument about a group such as Zionists, Neocons, Taliban...etc. While it may be nice to sit down and have a glass of chaee with any member that belongs to one of these groups, you cannot blame someone for hating their ideology. Yes Basijis helped defend Iran in the 80's against Saddam's invasion. These are not those people, this is almost 30 years later my friend, many of these people that are "basiji" today are hiding under the fascist IRI's umbrella of Islamic law, while they drink alcohol, confiscate satellite dishes and resell them on black market, and do many of the very "immoral" things they attack people for on streets.
Well, Dariush, it was a
by Sargord Pirouz on Tue Aug 24, 2010 09:42 PM PDTWell, Dariush, it was a different time. Let's hope that time never comes again.
I will say this, during the 20th century, when the Russians and Chinese employed the human wave, their's consisted primarily of conscripts. Not so Iran. That's an important distinction that's often overlooked in the West.
Amir, that's a safe bet. Most commenters here are middle aged and either citizens of an adopted country or dual citizens. Speaking for myself, we'll be involved in peace advocacy rather than hostilities, which is more important, in my opinion. That way we're of use to both peoples.
Dariush the King,
by AMIR1973 on Tue Aug 24, 2010 09:34 PM PDTYou are the King. I do not want to die for the lousy IRI, but you are more than welcome to become a Holy Martyr.
O King, why are you still sitting at your computer when you could be sacrificing your life for the memory of Emam Khomeini? It's not too late for such a sacrifice, "dadash". We will miss your posts on Iranian.com, but you will be in paradise, O Dariush the King. Cheers .-)
If it wasn't for old Iranian air force
by عموجان on Tue Aug 24, 2010 09:23 PM PDTCapital of Iran would had been Baghdada, which you guys(basijI) murdered them after the fight for their country. Good thing it has been written down in history books.
Amir1973
by Dariush A on Tue Aug 24, 2010 09:23 PM PDTKoochooloo. You confirmed my prediction. Who is next? Come on, you can't hide forever. Be a man and admit it!
Dariush A,
by AMIR1973 on Tue Aug 24, 2010 09:03 PM PDTThey all spoke of defending Iran and willing to die for the country and people. How many of you are willing to do that? I bet None.
I am willing to make a bet with you. My bet is that neither you nor any of your ilk on this website were or are willing to die either. If you were, there were plenty of Iraqi land mines to step on during the war and any willing youth (as young as 12 years old) had ample opportunity to make that sacrifice. I am also willing to bet that no one sitting at a computer keyboard and living in the comfort and freedom of a Western country is willing nor in a position to give their life for the IRI--unless you're planning to do what the 9/11 hijackers or the London bombers did and sacrifice your life in that manner? Are you willing to bet? Even though "ghomarbazi" is haram (especially during Ramazan) that might be an interesting bet for you to make.
Had it not been for the
by Dariush A on Tue Aug 24, 2010 08:57 PM PDTHad it not been for the Basijis, we would have loss the war. They all spoke of defending Iran and willing to die for the country and people. How many of you anti basijis are willing to do that? I bet None.
Faces to remember
by Genghis Khan on Tue Aug 24, 2010 09:19 PM PDTI, too, wish our basiji brothers succeed in their ultimate sacrifice, and a few bottles of Sandis too.
If my body dies, let my body die, but do not let my country die.
way to go
by I Voted Ahmadinejad on Tue Aug 24, 2010 08:34 PM PDTIt is hard to be a real basiji, it takes lots of effeorts and sacrifies.
God bless those real hard working basijis.
ram jams
The comments on this video
by Sargord Pirouz on Tue Aug 24, 2010 08:34 PM PDTThe comments on this video aren't extraordinary. I've heard similar expressions from groups representing each of the Abrahamic faiths, even during my school days in a Western university.
Personally, I find the military/law enforcement applications of the Basij more interesting, but the philosophical underpinnings should never be discounted or misunderstood.
lots of Islamist hot air basicaly...
by yousef on Tue Aug 24, 2010 07:21 PM PDTGiven the chance, these bassiji morons much rather be out of harm's way, live in LA, run a kebab shop, and get paid by the islamist regime to BS on their behalf on Iranian.com, like their pea sized brain brothers here!
I agree Q
by Abarmard on Tue Aug 24, 2010 07:08 PM PDTThey are not saying anything horrible. Some people are just hateful from generalization syndrome.
Some these guys remind me of guys in my school. They were too traditional for my taste but honorable, trust able, and good people. It is irrelevant what anyone thinks about these people but generalization is what could get us in trouble; if an American born individual pick a fight with any one of us because we are Iranian, based on our name or origin. The horrible comments here show the true colors and class of each individual.
Sad to see these comments.
از که آموخت
DemoTue Aug 24, 2010 07:01 PM PDT
از که آموخت بسیجی این «وقاحت» ؟ از محضر مقام معظم «ولایت»!!
وقاحت بسیجی
comradeTue Aug 24, 2010 06:10 PM PDT
یکی از معایب دروغ، به خصوص نوع بسیجی آن، بی استخوان بودن انست
که باعث خفگی فوری گویندهٔ دروغگو در جلوی چشمان شنونده نمیشود. این برادر
بسیجی با وقاحت تمام تکنولوژی اتمی را مستقل و از صفر شروع شده مینامد.
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies."
QQ
by Doctor X on Tue Aug 24, 2010 05:42 PM PDTI did not mean to make you cry.
No. . You , YOU are THE only one in this world that is always right.
Yes. Please. Always remember to correct everyone. After all, everyone is wrong and you are right all the time.
oh "Doctor" X...
by Q on Tue Aug 24, 2010 05:17 PM PDTthe good old... self-righteous attacks, with baseless presumptions that cannot be questioned by their targets...
Yes, when I say "you missed the point," I must be lying! You understand me better than myself. Sorry! I won't correct you next time.
If that helps you, you can continue thinking it.
Q
by Doctor X on Tue Aug 24, 2010 05:04 PM PDTOh I see. The good Old "you missed the point completely" explanation/theory. Very well then:)
That is right Q. you are never sure why people may object to your comments. You just fail to see the reason why anyone should go there for that matter.
I have no doubt you are familiar with the "letting off steam" concept for you have done it around here so many times, everytime you decided to Radicalize your convictions.
Good chatting there with ya.
Brain-Washed by Islam to become Terrorists
by IranFirst on Tue Aug 24, 2010 04:48 PM PDT"..
We like to think of ourselves as rational beings. Yet, our rational nature is only one part of the brain/mind
enigma. We are also emotional beings. We tend to favor our rational
side, because it is generally fact-based, orderly and leaves little room
for uncertainty—all importantly operative components of our emotional
nature.
Religious belief is primarily emotionally based. There is no way of
rationally proving or disproving the religious faith. Faith and reasons
are not the same. “Fore the core of religious faith is that mystic
feeling which unites man with God,” a religious luminary has proclaimed.
There is nothing inherently wrong with religion. Religion can be a
tremendous force for the good. However, when religion, this
feeling-based belief, is filled with superstition, intolerance and
hatred, then the beholder of that religion embodies those qualities and
becomes a veritable menace to himself and to others. Feelings energize
actions. Destructive feelings energize destructive actions.
Muslims are victims of their religious brains: their religious brains
are indoctrinated, from the moment of birth, by an extensive ruthless
in-power cadre of self-serving mullahs and imams who are intent at
maintaining their stranglehold on the rank and file of the
faithful—their very source of support and livelihood.
The mullahs and imams, as well as parents and others envelope the
receptive mind, feed it their dogma, and shield it from information that
may undermine or falsify their version of belief.
For as long as there are bigoted, self-serving clergy and their
collaborators with first exclusive access to the blank slate, the
problem of supplying wave after wave of Islamofascists will persist. It
is the brain/mind that assesses things, makes decisions, and orders
actions. To the extent that the in-place software of the religious brain
is exclusionary in nature, hateful in orientation, and violent in
tendency, to that extent the individual is both the perpetrator and the
victim of barbaric acts.
The surest way of dealing with Muslims, Islam, and Islamofascism is
through effective inculcation of a religious software that promotes
tolerance of diversity, freedom of faith and conscious, goodwill to all,
as well as purging of all the vile and discriminatory dogma that
permeates the out-dated primitive belief of some 1400 years ago
barbarians. The best place to start is clearly the home, then schools,
and mosques where the deeply-entrenched mullahs and imams of vested
interest must be compelled by law to refrain from preaching messages of
hate and violence against the unbelievers....."
//www.faithfreedom.org/one/muslims-and-the-re...
I am always wondering, this one too
by عموجان on Tue Aug 24, 2010 04:37 PM PDTSince they can't look or touch opposite sex do they give each other BJ? till they are ready for marriage.
F#*%k Ghoran and who ever wrote it.
"This video should be circulated more to Western audiences"
by Rea on Tue Aug 24, 2010 03:21 PM PDTFrankly, better not.
Personally, I find it appalling listening to the young kid talking about people coming under the control of whatever god.
FYI, Stalinists believed the same thing. The only difference, at the time god was called Stalin.
These Basijis are so ignorant
by Artificial Intelligence on Tue Aug 24, 2010 03:16 PM PDTThey have no idea what they are talking about. They are also bigots but that is no surprise since the IRI by nature is a bigoted system with Muslims being the main victims of its philosophy.
These people for the most
by Dr. X on Tue Aug 24, 2010 03:10 PM PDTThese people for the most part are a bunch of moftkhor who have no other form of formal education or job skills which can realistically help the country. They and their families have connections to Sepah and this is their means of survival. lets focus on real issues, like inflation, unemployment, literacy rate, and corruption. If they want to rid the world of tyranny, they should start in their own backyard.
Doctor X,
by Q on Tue Aug 24, 2010 02:57 PM PDTactually, I see you missed the point completely.
I just don't know why you are so hell bent on making an issue out of this and bringing it up.
I'm not sure what constitutes "hell bent", except if it was used by you without evidence just to let off some steam, which I can understand.
Q
by Doctor X on Tue Aug 24, 2010 02:46 PM PDTActually, The things that are being said in this clip really speak for themselves and there are no hints or notions of anyone needing to radicalize anyrthing. I just don't know why you are so hell bent on making an issue out of this and bringing it up.
even in response to the guy's question that what if the rest of the world does not want to follow your ideology they younger fella says well in that case , it will be up to the people to face the consequences. Are you saying that was a diguised threat? because it sure did not feel like it.
Enlighted "Q" for President
by Demo on Tue Aug 24, 2010 02:45 PM PDTWill spend a very tiny portion of Iran's military budget to send his Basijis travelining around the world to help witheir views. After all Muslims are ordered in Quran to travel around the globe, Mr. President. The more western demonization of "Islam" will help the demon rulers of many Muslim countries to stay in power under the banner of protecting "Muslims." Is not that right, Mr. President??
misguided and brainwashed.
by afshin on Tue Aug 24, 2010 02:10 PM PDTmisguided and brainwashed. every tyrant has a group like this. hitler had his band of storm troopers too who thought they were working for a higher good. people like this were responsible for neda aghasoltan's murder. the road to hell for the murderers of the irr will be paved with the corpses of the basij and irgc. i hope they burn forever!
very enlightening
by Q on Tue Aug 24, 2010 01:13 PM PDTIt shows honesty and integrity of these young men, with potential to radicalize their convictions if the West continues to demonize Muslims as it has. This video should be circulated more to Western audiences.