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gitdoun jan: Contrary to

gitdoun jan: Contrary to conventional wisdom, the US does not really care about the welfare of Israel. The US manipulates, uses and abuses Israel for its own interests....The US empire has much more at stake than Israel..

Villifying Israelis the IRI has done will only lead to miscalculation on both parts and will enrich the pockets of the transnational military industrial complex and their shareholders...

Jews. But I do think that

Jews. But I do think that likes of Netanyahu are the best bodies of Ahmadinejad, feeding of each-other. The premature withdrawal of Israel from Gaza was a well planed, by devious minds, to set the stage for inflaming the fear of Israelis about a peaceful approach. Now the right wing is trying to keep its popularity by constantly feeding that fear

Well done. There is a symbiotic relation between the two regimes. One needs the other to survive. Now, the challenge is how do we inform  the Iranian brainwashed basij and IRGC and the likes of Mehdi and sargord??

Fair:You are right. It won't

Fair:You are right. It won't be Israel doing the attacking. It would be the US..The US has more at stake than Israel.

Let me put it simply. If

Let me put it simply. If Israel attacked Iran, it will be wiped off of the map. By IRI or whatever replaced it... unless US attacked Israel in reprisal!

Now, the issue, if any, is Israel enticing US to attack Iran. This is the underlying strategy. US of-course, won't allow Iran to have nuclear weapon. Period. So it may come to that. But US has many more options, far better options, to deal with this issue. And the signs are that she intends using them.

As for state of mind of Israelis, specially of older generation, I agree with rwitonsk and vildemose was right to emphasis on it, that the shadow of Shoah is overwhelming and can easily be used to manipulate inside politics of Israel. I recommend Iranians who can, to see the 7-8 hours documentary, actually entitled Shoah, to better understand the depth of underlying fear of Jews. But I do think that likes of Netanyahu are the best bodies of Ahmadinejad, feeding of each-other. The premature withdrawal of Israel from Gaza was a well planed, by devious minds, to set the stage for inflaming the fear of Israelis about a peaceful approach. Now the right wing is trying to keep its popularity by constantly feeding that fear. It is up to Israelis to open their mind and see how they are manipulated. But those who are manipulating, are practicing domestic politics and only interested in fooling others, not themselves.

The reason this issue is so present in US domestic politics, is because the Israelis know that an attack on Iran -if any- can only be carried out by US not Israel. They will be successful in their politics only if we take them seriously. 

Good Chance Israel Will Strike.

It's all over folks. If there was a chance for the opposition to show to the world that the regime was losing control, that it was on it's last leg, and wouldn't survive another 3 yrs it was 22Bahman.  And on that day the regime won ladies and gentlemen. It proved it's in control and very much in power. IF the opposition won that day israeli's would have believed the regime was on it's way out and would not risk the lives of it's citizens to war. But after 22bahman it became clear the regime will not die any time soon or even within the next 5 yrs. And Israel will NOT wait any longer. It's in Israel's Security interest to take out Iran's Nuclear Plants. Israel has everything to gain in attacking Iran. With a strike on Iran it will slow down iran's nuclear work and also provoke Hizbullah in Lebanon into a confrontation. This also serves Israel's interest as it will prove a point to the lebanese people that hizbullah is a servant of Iran, and does not soley have the interest of Lebanon at heart. Israel will politicize hizbullah serving the interest of a foreign country to erode Hizbullah's popular support within Lebanon. Of course Hizbullah will put a spin on it and say they were attacking Israel to reclaim Sheba Farms but it won't wash. And Hizbullah's nationalist credit will take a big hit which will serve Israel's interest. The less popular support hizbullah has inside lebanon ; better it is for Israel. But of course Israel taking on Iran and it's proxy armies will result into a loss of israeli life and it may be significant. The question now is if Israel is willing to sacrifice hundreds of israeli lives to further it's national security ???    ~On a personal note , i dont want israel to attack iran because this will harm the opposition big time as Khamenei will use the crisis to put down the opposition.  Propaganda will hit the sky for sure !!! He will declare that every person who opposes him is now an agent of Mossad !! Infact Khamenei will most likey use the Khomeini 1979 Hostage Crisis playbook and declare " Unite in defending the I.R.I. or be branded as traitors." This will definitely put the opposition in a really tight corner. Also depending on how great the loss of life is in iran it may unite the nation; prolonging the life of the I.R.I.    

It's more than denial, it's delusion

I remember back when people would swear "Nobody wants war, it's all made up by IRI supporters", even as multiple US aircraft carriers would be called to the Persian Gulf by Bush. (I think it might have been Samsam)who 'challenged' me over a year ago to find someone who really advocates war. And when I showed him the quotes minutes later, he said "It must be fake", it's probably IRI supporters.

This is what we call delusion. Of course it's not nearly as delusional as the writer of this piece. The saddest thing of all is the spectre of a bunch of overzealous, delusional zionists armed to the teeth.

Anything can and will look like a "existential threat" to them and they can act on it to their own peril, maybe bringing about a self-fulfilling prophesy.

The reality, however, is that there is no threat to Israel, and Israeli leaders know this full well. The only people who benefit from the threat are the western arms industry. I can see the point of some that it will benefit the IRI hawks as well. Sure, it would use the threat just like Israel uses the non-threat, but IRI would rather keep out all the western military equipment it possibly can.

IRI will greatly benefit from such attack...

And it will consolidate its power and will eliminate any opposition Green and otherwise! Remember 1981 the year war with Iraq started!

JJ, here's why in my first response that got deleted in ....

JJ here's why in my first response that got deleted in the first post by rw, I responded by saying good try, but I think you are an IR agent.

My accusation of this coming from Shariatmadari of Kayhan instead of Israel is based on,

An Israeli supporter would have no reason to single out Iranian seculars, didn't Mashaee the lovemate of Ahmadinejad call for friendship with Israel?   But how do you explain:

"Many of my Jewish friends do not understand that many Persian secular democrats are friends of Israel...."

and again:

"I ask my Persian secular democratic friends to continue expressing your moral solidarity with Israel......"

I know many Iranians who supported the "Na ghaza, na Lobnan" slogan, but I have not seen many who actually support Israel.   From their prespective, Islamic Regime is using the palestinian cause for its own purpose -- AND that's their issue with Islamic Regimes policy--  But there is no love lost for Israel either.

Let us not forget -- No true freedom loving democracy striving Iranian or (human for that matter)  can support and sympahtize with the policies of the state of Israel, the same way they can not possibly  support the cimes of Islamic Regime.

Let us not forget, just over a year ago, the state of Isreal killed over 1387 Palestinians including 320 children  in the 3 weeks of genocide and war crime (Source B'Tselem an Israeli Human Rights organization)

How could any decent human being let alone secular forces of Iran, have sympathy for Israeli government?

So you see JJ, the now 2 articles by this poster would be more credible, if this supposed supporter of Israel, did not involve our pro democracy forces as sympathizers of Israel.   In addition, not all Jews support Israeli policies.

The state of Israel tries to perpetuate the myth that they are a democratic state, but in addition whoever is pro-democracy is also a supporter of their aparthied racist state.   This fallacy is used by Islamic regime to discredit democray and our democratic movement!

But JJ, since you own a media outlet, and used to conduct polls (allbeit none scientific ones), why not start some polls on Iranian.com,  here's a survey suggestion:

Do you support democracy for Iran?

Do you support the state of Israel?

That should remove the need for speculation.

jj

i'm wide awake jj.  if it looks like one, walks like one, sounds like one...  however, it's a good exercise.  be my guest.  i'm not discouraging anyone from engaing in the discussion.  but i'm not if that's ok.

Israel would have attacked years ago by now

if there was some chance of success.

They are perfectly capable of mounting a massive airstrike on multiple targets in Iran, and Iran cannot do anything to stop it, except retaliate with inaccurate missiles to terrify civilian populations.

The problem is, there is very little if any guarantee that this would solve the problem. It would damage some targets, and give the mullahs perfect ammunition to argue in favor of actually going for a bomb, claiming it was attacked and needs to build a deterrent to future attacks. Not to mention shocks to oil and other markets during a worldwide deep recession.

In other words, it will just make things worse.

But from Israel's perspective, they are justified in doing whatever they can to stop Iran, simply because for 31 years Iran has been publicly saying that Israel should be wiped off the map, and AN has recently amplified this call, as well as made stupid statements like the Holocaust was a myth. It is just a question of survival. If you cannot understand this, and you are Iranian, think about Saddam Hussein saying that "God created 3 useless species- Jews, Iranians, and Flies". Then if you think that we had the right to stand up to SH and Israel has not the right to stand up to the Islamic Fuehrer, you simply must have a double standard. It is IR and AN that seeks the destruction of Israel, and not the other way around.

Iranians make no mistake- the path that AN has set our country on currently WILL lead to massive war and destruction for Iran, and/or the breakup of Iran. The world and regional powers will not stand for a nuclear Iran, just like they would not stand for an Iranian takeover of Baghdad in 1988. At any cost. There are many ways to undermine Iran's efforts towards this direction, and they are being actively planned and contemplated in Centcom and NATO today. Just like the undoing of America and Israel in the middle east is being actively planned and discussed in Tehran and Ghom today. Once again all this is being done at the expense of the Iranian people. Just like the 1980's.

So for the sake of our country, the region, and the world, we must take back our country from the fascists, and declare a peaceful foreign policy based on strength and coexistence. We will not take crap from anybody, nor will be dish out crap to anybody. We will be the Switzerland of the middle east. That should be our goal.

-Fair

The green movement must win

The green movement must win or we will see war on Iran in the next few years. That is hard reality we need to discuss further.

They are deeply terrified

They are deeply terrified of the Islamic regime's anti-Semitic rheotoric, of its constant threats to destroy the Jews and of its constant denial of the Shoah.

For elderly American Jews who were alive during the Shoah, the regime's continuous denial of the Shoah is particularly traumatic and frightening.

These elderly Jews are afraid that Israel will be destroyed, G-d forbid.

That is a very significant part of the jewish collective conciousness, which us Iranians do not understand at our own peril.

Other perspectives we need to know:about

""Surely if communist China would have allowed its people to demonstrate and organize then the communist death toll would not have been 70 million it might have been nearer 100 million.

Surely if Iran wasn’t ruled by despotic Islamonazis then surely its people would be allowed to demonstrate and organize.

But it is ruled by despotic Islamonazis, isn’t it, so what’s your point.

Oh I see now, you think Iran are not nearly as close to getting a nuclear bomb as they don’t say they are.

Well I bet that makes the Israelis feel much better.

Believers of 12th imam end of days prophecies should not be allowed fireworks never mind anything else and if you don’t mind me saying, if it was a choice between taking the advice of Daniel Pipes or anyone to the left of John McCain then I would choose Daniel Pipes.

Nothing personal, it’s just the Left don’t have a very good record when it comes to analyzing the true agendas of genocidal regimes, USSR, China, Cambodia etc.

“The Washington Post reported this week”

The Washington Post, that fair and balanced left leaning newspaper.

OK

“U.N. reports over the last year have shown a drop in production at Iran’s main uranium enrichment plant, near the city of Natanz. ”

The UN.

Oh that’s OK then, the UN said it’s OK so it must be OK.

The Iranian Army must side with the protestors, support them militarily and overthrow these Iranian Islamonazis, either that or someone else must arm the protesters, in my view it is the only way, this revolutionary SS guard are what, a quarter million strong, a gang of armed religious fanatics are not going to be cowed by stone throwing, the Army must overthrow them, just as the German army should have overthrown Hitlers SS.

It’s the only way.""

Several other reasons Israel will not attack Iran

Again, the nuclear issue is a distraction. Our focus is uniting the opposition to get rid of the Islamic republic. Once a democratic Iran is realized, no one will care about the Iranian nuclear issue, and all western countries will be lining up to sell Iran the latest in nuclear technology.  I will not repeat many of the good reasons expressed previously, but to add:

1. Israel will need permission to go over at least two Arabic states that will pay later for the permission.

2. Israel will need American permission to undertake this mission.

3. Israeli planes will need refueling by the American tanker planes that will then drag the US into this mess.

4. To be effective, the missile strikes need to be precise and no margin for error in multiple sites.

5. The IRI will unleash its foreign agents Ghods, Hamas and Hezbollah on the Israeli cities.

OK, now let's look at what if:

IRI, by many accounts is years away from a nuclear device.  Assuming they got it in a few years, what are they going to do with it?

* How the heck is IRI going to deliver the bomb? An outdated N. Korean junk?  Or, a bunch of suicide bombers who need to pass nuclear detection devices all over?

* Will they be accurate/competent enough not to damage Jerusalem (the third holiest place in Islam)?

* Will they be accurate/competent  enough not to damage friendly organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, not to mention other Arab states?

* Do they know that Israel possesses hunderds of atomic bombs that will be used in retaliation?  And, in this day and age, it may not be too difficult to finger print the atomic signature to see where it came from. 

I would like to see the Israeli line of thought that put the above reasoning together, or let us know what they are smoking now-a-days.

Of course you are in support of IRI!

Everybody knows by now that it is advantageous for Israel to attack Iran. It helps Israel in two fronts: first it will distract attention from Palestinian plight, and second, it will ensure that the democratic movement in Iran does not materialize. Israel is in full power (with the aid of US of course) as long as there are dictators running every country in the Middle East. The longer the mullahs are in power in Iran, the more Israel will benefit from an unstable ground (not withstanding Israelis and mullahs secret hand shakes!) Therefore Israel has been trying hard to do to Iran what they have done to Afghanistan and Iraq. The present weak government of Iran is actually the best opportunity for Israel to move on bombing Iran. Doing that, there may start a new long lasting war in the whole Middle East, which would be even more beneficial for Israelis. Iranians will prevent an Israeli attack with all their power though.

Vishtaspa: Agreed. It takes

Vishtaspa: Agreed. It takes a lot of gall to come here and threaten Iranians with war. But at the same time, I'm glad that he/she has done so because we need to know what we are up against and what our enemies are up to.

We need to know where they are coming from so we can counter their moves.

I think this a real article

I think this a real article and not manufactured by Mehdi army.

In denial

hamsade ghadimi, how are you so sure this article is written by the "mehdi cyber army of iri". How are you able to distinguish a real article from a fake?

When there's an undeniable and significant number of Israelis and supporters of Israel who wish to attack Iran, why is there a need for a fake article? Do they need the IRI to express their views?

This author is one of them. Whether you wish to acknowledge her views or not is your choice.

Wake up. The danger is very very real.

Nice Try

Formula for justification of an unecessary, violent, lethal and illegal attack on Iran:

1.) Attempt to play yourself off as sympathetic to the cause of "Persian Secularism"

2.) Highlight the "Persian" aspect of your view of Iran in order to stroke the egos of those whose relatives brains you're about to splatter all over the pavement.

3.) Ask for "Moral Solidarity" with Israel, a regime notorious for barbarism as bad as the Islamic Rapist Republic, and drag Holocaust denial ("shoah") into the middle of an internal struggle; because we all know that you're either pro-Israeli gov't policies, or you're a neo-Nazi.

4.) Repeat

How dare you come in here and expect a level of stupidity from us that would be tantamount to signing off on the death of the opposition to the IRR/IRI, attack our homeland and kill our families.

As the Greens on the street have been chanting, with a little modification: "NA FELESTEEN, NA LOBNAN, NA ESRAEL! FAGHAT IRAN!

A translation for our "friend" rwitonsk here:

"NOT PALESTINE, NOT LEBANON, NOT ISRAEL, ONLY IRAN!"

Iranians are weary of other nations interfering in their internal affairs, least of all a regime that has been foaming at the mouth to emulate their own National Socialist oppressors in the Middle East. We don't want you and your genocidal policies here, you're not welcome.

So no, we're not falling for it. Crawl back to whatever miserable hole you came from.

jj

the question is not whether israel or israelis are weighing the option to attack iran.  the question is whether this article is genuine.  i'm not going to respond to hypothetical questions of iri supporters.  i'm tired of this israel/zionist nonesense that is thrown around by the mehdi cyber army of iri.

An Israeli attack will most likely

unite the country and hinder any democratic movement for some time.. But I don't think Israel honestly really cares about such a consequence, because a free democratic Republic of Iran would be more of a threat to them then the Islamic republic.  A democratic Iran would be more free to develop nuclear weapons and greatly build up more arms if it wanted, thus threatening Israels nuclear hegemony. 

JJ is spot on. I don't why

JJ is spot on. I don't understand why it's hard to believe for some that Israelis' sheer irrational paranoia will eventually  lead to a devestating war whetehr we like or not??

In fact, do we think that deciding to go to war has ever been based on logic and rational thoughts??

Jews attack Iran: America gets the Blowback. No thanks !

Nothing has changed the longstanding calculation that the potential pernicious military/political/economic/environment consequences of an attack on Iran FAR outweigh any "benefits".

Who (or what) is this fool.?

This is real

Those who think the author is an IRI agent are avoiding reality.

The desire and intent of the Israeli government and many within Israel to attack Iran's nuclear sites are no secret.

Instead of calling the author names and questioning her authenticity, respond to the points raised and present your counterpoint. Your views count and could have an impact in avoiding disaster.

Mr.Rwitonsk

It is laughable and a false claim to even say that Israel is a good friend to Iranian people.I do not have any problem with you saying Israel should bomb Iran's nuclear site , but I do have problem , you 

trying to fake something that in reality does not exist.Israel has no 

love for anyone , you know  it, we know it and even the government of USA knows it. Buying influence in politics of USA ,Europea or else where to secure Israel future is a risky business. I doubt if living next to Syria and Joradn and sharing land withPlaestinean is the issue,the problem is that if Israel was located in neighbouringIllinois, we would have  seen  Michigan or Indiana being targeted by Israelis airpalne on daily basis.This is a reality and I am sure you  do not liek to hear about it.

I think ,it would be noble of you to stop faking your love for Iranian,

listening to lying mullah is enough painful and you make it harder for us to accept you as a friend.

You tell me ,  why Israeli govenment has to love Iranian people 

living almost 1000 km away?  

If the measure of  respecting and loving other people is listening to Ahmadinejad, Natanyahu or hateful people ,do you think there is any hope left for humanity?

aynak

i agree with you.  it's curious none of the iri pit bulls have left a comment.  one, two, three....

Now, why do I smell a rat?

I completely agree with Aynak. This article is posted by a Bacheh Akhond. But now that the discussions has started for the sake of interested readers I have to argue against all the Israeli propaganda. IRI is not an anti-Semitic regime in the sense that is declared here. If it was, the Jewish Iranians living in Iran would be the first victim. Just the way that they have prosecuted Bahais.

IRI and the Israeli regime have been assisting each other, being intentional or not. Nothing serves the interest of West better than a middle east in turmoil. That interestingly seems to also serve the interests of Israeli government and the IRI, but not their people. If there is ever an attack, it's to help IRI to stay in power so the plunder-middle-east game does not end.

Israel Violates Economic

Israel Violates Economic Sanctions Against Iran by Grant Smith -- Antiwar.com

Economic sanctions don't produce regime change in and of themselves. They mainly hurt the little people in places like Cuba or Iraq. And, they create black markets for the unscrupulous.

Obama Iran sanctions another buying opportunity for the Marc Riches of the world

From: Juancole.com

benross: Agreed. The

benross: Agreed.

The reason I don’t necessarily see Israel bombing Iran is that the nuke facilities are underground. Air-strikes could work, but there is no guarantee that they would, whereas Israel’s political capital would certainly be diminished. on the subject of Osirak bombing, Israel was publicly condemned from all sides for that action until the nineties. If the Israeli government thinks that the Green side has a chance to topple the theocracy, then it might want to make sure that it doesn’t give the government any chance to label itself as patriotic.

For a moment, forget about

For a moment, forget about Iranians and secular Iran. Let's assume IRI is here to stay -btw, the same thing that Israel is trying to do- and see if it is in Israeli interest a pre-emptive strike.

You my friend, are completely submerged in local politics of Israel. No military personnel of Israel, in his or her right mind, for a moment would contemplate a military attack on Iran. Israel will never see peace if such stupidity happen. Did Israel campaign for many years about attacking Iraqi nuclear facilities before actually doing it? What kind of stupid military mind would do that?!

Get real my friend. These are all hot air for domestic consumption. One thing Iranians and Jews should be really good at recognizing is hot air. You failed me my friend!