Anyway

WOW - w/ all BS (video & comments) u can start a garden store

All we need here is "Q" who will add that Islam conquered Iran and everywhere else with love!!!!!! 

Good observation IG

At the beginning of Islam there was no Sunni or Shia divisions. The divide was created slowly amongst elites and progressed slowly and deeply into masses.

I believe the message of Islam spread very quickly because it was so different and close to human's natural desire. As we can see in the US, Islam is the fastest growing religion predominantly amongst underprivileged whites and African Americans and primarily for one appealing message of justice for all. You imagine how fast it could grow if the leaders of the religion were present.

American, French, and Iranian revolutions started and spread so quickly, US civil movement the same way, because the grounds were so ready. These are just social movements, the religious movements spread even faster because there is something in the sacred messages that captivate, motivate, and energize people to do their best relentlessly so they become extremely efficient and productive. So productivity saves a lot of things including time.

We cannot generalize the action of a few based on the belief of a nation. There are some strong indications that both Persian assassins were extreme nationalists and perhaps with ties with former Persian royal court.

Iranians' appeal to the Ali's (PBUH) family predates much longer than Ottoman and Safavid era. It started right after Islam's birth and got stronger thereafter.

Iranians always by heart support minorities, underprivileged and castaways. This is in our blood. The fact that Iranians saw how inhumanely Ali's (PBUH) family were treated, started their love affair for that great family.

I think I said what I needed to say.

Have a good weekend! 

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Was the daugther of the last Sassanid king(Yazdegerd III)  Hussein's wife?

Yazdeger III was the last king of Sassanid dynasty and he reigned as a youth(12 years old) and had never truly exercised political power and authority.

How could a "12 years old boy" have a daugther? And how his daugther ended up to be Hussein's wife?

Is it again a shia "shero ver" or can someone back up this claim with evidence?

I think this is a suspect too...

 "It seems that Persians felt an affinity towards Imam Hussein since his wife was the daughter of the last Sassanid King". I think affinity goes back to the time when Iranians became Shias.

Midwesty,

I am in favour of more research than the body of work that currently exists about how the Persians actually converted to Islam. I have read a few articles about the actual process and tried to read between the lines and connect the dots. Much investigative and detective work remains to be done in order to be able to more conclusively say how Persians and other Iranian tribes actually converted to Islam. But in the meantime I can make a few conjectures based on my personal reading and common sense. Those who were the first to convert to Islam were actually the Zoroastrian priests who wanted to preserve their privilges. The majority of the people at that time were peasants and it is estimated that it took somewhere around 200 years before the masses actually converted to Islam. So the statement that Persians actually saw in Islam an egalitarian religion seems at best far-fetched. Also the majority of Persians became Sunnis. It was during the Safavid era that Shiism was forced upon people most likely in order to create a separate state entity in contrast and opposition to Ottoman Empire. So Ali does not seem to be an important reason. Both Omar and Ali were killed by Persians. It seems that Persians felt an affinity towards Imam Hussein since his wife was the daughter of the last Sassanid King.

As for Persian words wrongly attributed to Arabs they are too numerous to cite. The Arabs took most of their words from Greek, Latin and Persian languages. I give you a few more examples:

"Aadel" meaning just is a Persian word. It initially meant "nobel". The Germans still use the word "Adelige". The old English word is "Attal". One could say the word "Asl" meaning "essence" might be related. Another word is "Ahd" meaning "treaty" or "contract". In German it is "Eid" and in English it is "Oath".

Now I do not mean to debase or to dehumanize the Arabs. But we Persians have to reclaim what is legitimately our heritage and put the Arabs historically in their place.

Mid-Islamy, Islamic INVASION had victims or it didn't happen...

You said:

"I think the nationalist who portray Iranians as the victims of Muslim aggression, they are very well aligned with their Arab counterparts for belittling Iranians."

Thank you for bringing to our attention how pan-Arabo-islamists align the naivity of decent Iranian's religious beliefs with their grand visions of  reviving the long lost Arabic run Islamic Khalifat in the Middle east,  of course at the expense of Iranians and ANYTHING Iranian, including our brilliant Ancient Persian Heritage.

Though I have to disagree with you  for I believe it's  nationalists  like you who are also  islamic sympathetic  and who portray Iranians as ETERNALLY  BLESSED with the Muslim invasion, that   are in fact fatally aligned with the grand vision of their Arabic counterparts for belittling Iranians and depriving them of their resources for the sake of creating the master plan of the ISLAMIC UMMAH ....

 Fat chance! It ain't gonna happen! :)

Our libraries

The Tazis did more. Alexander eh Gojastak ruined the Persepolis library; then did us a favor and croaked. The Tazi banned all Persian writing. They did not stop at burning one library. They demanded books as jazieh they tried cultural genocide just like the Mullahs and Mr Soroush.

Thank god for modern technology. There is no way to destroy books any more. All our books and writing shall remain. For us and our children.

Omar attacked Iran

that's why in many places in Iran we still have "Omar-Koshoon"  :D

Thanks to Khomeini I never became Muslim.

Islam is such a waste of human time and life.

Not all of us buy this ****

I am not a Muslim; I rejected it once I watched Khomeini in action. I have to thank him for opening my minde.  We do not buy this garbage. "Imam" ali murdered a lot of my people and I will not forget it. We are waking up. Damn ali; and may the idiots who follow him open their eyes to the true evil that he brought to Iran.

The big mistake of Mullahs was driving so many of us into exile. There we opened our minds and discovered what evil they are peddling. Now ba andisheh pak va deli roshan we reject the garbage that was forced upon us for 1500 year by Omar; ali and the rest of their lizard eating kabeh worshiping gang.

VPK

Immortal Guard,

Good point. However I like what I hear from him. He is right that Omar attacked Iran not Ali.

His three points are also right:

1-The Sassanian had a very segregated system far from what Cyrus the Great was envisioning for Iran.

2-In contrast to what Iranians experienced from Sassanian Dynasty they found Islam very appealing

3-And they were in love with Ali that's why they are now Shia.

It is quiet possible that Ali during his 25 years of his exile has been visiting Iran since he was already exposed to Iranian culture through Salman Parsi. Ali (PBUH) was a very intelligent man who could have easily picked up on the Persian language. To credit into his cleverness one can see that he had never lost in any battle even though he was always outnumbered by his enemies. That is not a simple matter. It is not just about leadership(which is also related to IQ) but also being overly smart. 

I think the nationalist who portray Iranians as the victims of Muslim aggression, they are very well aligned with their Arab counterparts for belittling Iranians.

This is very interesting ....

This is very interesting because despite all the lies that we were told for centuries for the first time we are hearing from the dirty mouth of a mollah the true account of what Moslem Arabs did to Iran and Iranian art and science.  These mother ......s always kept telling us that Islam and Arabs brought us art and science and so forth.  As for Ali, the great Persian saying rings true. "Sage Zard Baradare Shoghaleh". They were all the same shit.

 Marg bar IRI.

Point!

He is right about "nokteh" not being "noghteh". "Nokteh" is a Persian word composed of two parts "Nok + Tah". The end of a pointed object leaves a dot, i.e. a point. It is quite amazing that we Persians not only use the Arabic pronunciation but also the Arabic plural, i.e. "Noghaat".

The library of Persians was once sacked by Alexander the Alcoholic/Homosexual (Eskandar Gojastak) and once by Omar the Dog (Omar Omaroo, Sag Pedaroo). There is a saying that they threw the books into the river and then exclaimed: "Ajabehi Tolombahoo!" which means "what a splashing sound they make!". That shows the Arab appreciation of science!

Anything to get us like Ali...

"...oon kesee keh baa Iraanee haa, baa zabaaneh iraanee sohbat kard, baa  lahjeh eh iraanee, Ali ebneh abitaaleb bood, baa sanad(!) meegam, too taareekh..."

Now Ali , not only spoke Persian, but he spoke it with Iranian accent...

Get the #$%$# out of here...

Will you???

Na chaghaloo!

shoma akhoonda e kasif harchi dareed az Ali e molatoon darid va maaham harchi badbakhti e o khoonrizi o  kesafat kari e o dozdi e o hoghebazi e dar Iran az shoma akhoonda darim!

I could not even finish listening to this BS

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This guy

...is a complete idiot.