Anyway

We can all agree

Sunnis in Iran are a lot better off than Shiites in Saudi. Actually IRI has started to seriously embrace the Sunni culture. They are alot closer to IRI ideology than secular agnostics or atheists.

That is the real scary thought. Those people "fighting" for Sunni rights are going to be very sorry soon.

Re: Hindu Kosh, Fact- Mismanagement, corruption political system

are huge factors in preventing the country from progressing despite the huge oil reserves.   You see, I agree with you, since I know this is the fact as well. I am not disputing that, and I didn't need to have my masters in management in order to see that.

First of all, when I write something, I'll try to be brief. I wasn't trying to argue about something that is known to all of us except Sargord. I was trying to bring up a point that is not direclty addressed in many articles, and that is the role of US sanctions on the Iranian society. If I want to elaborate on this issue, I would need much more than a posting here. Oops! I gotta go swimming. They are closing the pool at 5 today! Bye for now! as for sargord, I just ignore him!

Masoud Jan

The chances of us ever hearing an answer to the questions posed to "Sargord" is slim to none...and slim just left town.  And it's no wonder that he's using Wikipedia to debate people on Iran matters.  His knowledge about Iran and its society is limited to what he can read about our country on Wikipedia.

:-)))

Sargord (aka jester of the court)

You make a reference to a wikipedia article, and call my argument "not serious". I read that article, It has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. You are truly a jester of this court. Keep us entertained please, you are doing a great job there.

Loool AO

Got the Sargord cornered.   Do you think he will ever answer your specific question?   Sometimes asking the right questions is worth thousands of answers - lool     As you notice - he was taken so far he could not even lie!!!  he will later - but never mind the answers.   Others who may wonder about what I am saying - by his questions AO told Sargord: There is no way anyone other than a hired hand with zero concerns about Iran or humanity can do what you do.

He Tells the Truth

I may not like Ahmadi's politics nor his Arab point of view but he tells the truth. There is much hypocracy in how the West relates to Iran. US makes deals with Musharef, Mubarak,  Abdullah, Hassan and Hussein to get its way. Even on the nuclear issue, Pakistan, India and Israel are playing doctor with the US under its kimono. It bothers me when I see small minded people getting caught in the  "black and white" propaganda of the West. We don't like the Mullahs but we need to stand up for Iran. Mullahs do not equate to Iran. And we should stand firm aginst its enemies both foreign and domestic.

It's about equal opportunities Sargord

Whether a Sunni can become the president of Iran, is different to denial of that right by law. Please don't make things over-simplistic with your percentage points. Your 8% would only count if all people voted according to their religious tendencies. I think majority of Iranians are far more open minded than you give them credit for.

Actually Sargord, you haven't

Otherwise, I wouldn't have asked.  In the past, you have mentioned that your grandfather or some distant relative was a government minister, etc.  That's just too vague.  I can claim that I am Hoveyda's grandson.  I mean, seriously, who's going to verify it?

You haven't answered any of the basic questions which will tell us whether or not you're an Iranian, such as: where were you born?  For me, I was born in Khuzestan, but we are originally  from the Fars province.  I graduated from high school in Iran, and lived there several years after.  My family and I were war refugees in the 1980's and lived in horrible conditions (while you were enjoying yourself in the grand old, U.S. of A).  I frequently visit Iran and can read, speak and write Persian.

Now, let's hear your story.  Give us the same information that I just gave above.  

You know, it's interesting.

You know, it's interesting. I've provided more personal info about myself in the comment threads (non-post) than anyone else I've come across here at IC. And still this continues to come up. 

Anon, I've addressed the gist of these questions at least three times now on different threads. If you somehow missed these comments, sorry. But I'm no longer going to address it.

If for some reason you feel the need to draw comfort from believing I'm non-Iranian or less-Iranian, just because my opinions don't coincide with yours, so be it. From my perspective, this need of yours can only be attributable to a weakness of argument, and more generally a weakness of cause.

Sargord

Myself, I'm an Iranian citizen but I do not meet a requirement for presidency.

well, that's too bad. I was gonna vote for you. :-))

Seriously, Sargord, for once in your life, come clean.  Answer the following questions: 1) where were you born? 2) Have you ever lived in Iran? 3) How many times, if any, have you visited Iran? 4) If you ever visited Iran, how long did you stay there during each visit? 5) Can you read, speak and write Persian? 6) Aside from short trips, where have you resided all your life?

See, wee need the answer to these questions before we take you seriously when it comes to your claims of being an Iranian.  And unless we receive satisfactory answers to these questions, we will regard you as we always have: a phony American who is trolling Iranian sites claiming to be an Iranian.  

Divaneh

Well only 8% of the country is Sunni and you expect that hurdle to somehow be overcome in a presidential contest if it were not institutionalized? 

Myself, I'm an Iranian citizen but I do not meet a requirement for presidency. I feel no resentment whatsoever over the matter. 

And I know a Hamaami Sunni, Sargord

Read my comments again and make your answers specific to the points that I have raised. I did not say Sunnis could not seat in the parliament or Arabs can not serve in the Army (please name your example and explain if they are Sunni Arabs which is the subject here). I have raised my points clearly, go read them again.

This is too easy to refute...

Divaneh, you speak about discrimination and lack of access to leadership. However, Sunnis are represented in parliament. And Arab-Iranians have held top leadership positions in government and the military, such as Defense Minister and the current commander of the Navy. 

Mullah-kosh, your argument isn't serious. Simply study the uneven history of Iran's underdeveloped energy reserves and you'll get an appreciation for the effects of sanctions. However, if you need a primer for study, start here:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_sanctions

The actual goal of these sanctions is economic warfare directed against the Islamic Republic of Iran, in order to maintain regional primacy for the state of Israel.

Don't insult my intelligence No Fear

So you want some proof that IRI discriminates against Sunnis? Cheezy ke Ayaan ast... How about some proof that night is dark. And you want that policy to have been devised in AN's time. Do you think you are talking to a child? AN job (if he was ever elected by people that he is not) would be to change some of the backward and exclusive laws. Of course we still can not see anything whilst stoning and cutting hands and poping eyes out are still part of our law system. 

Back to the Sunnis, as you wanted an example how about the fact that a Sunni Iranian by law can not become the president of Iran. That of course goes for anyone but the twelvers.

As you know, discrimination does not need to be spelt in the book to take place. You name a single Sunni member of the AN cabinet. Explain the lack of a single Sunni mosque in Tehran. Explain why Akhonds such as Daneshmand swear at Sunni holy figures such as Omar with total impunity. I would like to see the reaction if the reverse happened.

The truth speak for itself No Fear. You can not cover the sun however hard you try. 

Obama

You love to rant on about "facts".

 Here is another fact: Obama is absolutely wrong to claim that Iran would have progressed much more without the sanctions, and the sanctions are to blame for backwardness. That Sanctions are used to make Iran "fall". Please bring economical evidence for this claim. I am going to be the "fact" NAZI here. I love how people write their opinion,and use the word "fact", as if that by itself would make an opinion a fact.

Obama, bring evidence of how sanctions have created these problems, and backwardness in Iran. Here is another bet: For every evidence you dig about effects of economic sanctions on a country's economy, I will bring 10 more academic journal stating that mismanagment, corruption, and political systems have much to do with a progress of a country, especially one that has the second largest oil reserves in the world.

He's right about sauds.However, he uses it as a diversion tactic

to deflect about their own atrocities at home. Our problem at this time is IRI not saudi arabia! Wag the dog!

Give him a credit - he knows how to stay alive. Fact - Saudi has never been a friend of Iran. Fact - Saudis are one of the most corrupt and dictatorial regimes in the region (yes, worse than Iran). Fact - Saudi's support of Jundollah is not in isolation, it is in cooperation and collaboration with the US and Israel. Fact - saudis don't even recognize iranians as real moslems and have been trying for a long time to prevent Iran to become powerful.

Fact - Israel is doing the same tactic of defeltion by using IRI to say to the arab countries in the region that the real threat to them is Iran not the poor thing Israel! That is why US is all over those countries reminding them of that hypothesis.   

Fact - As long as Iran is not under the yoke of the US, it is going to have external problems. Iran's foreign policy has a lot to do with the economical problems in Iran. Sanctions for 30 years is not accidental. They wanted to make sure Iran falls. Despite all the corruption in this regime, Iran would have advanced much more if it wasn't because of the sanctions.

Couple of days ago, he was asking Gates, why he had come to Afghanestan from the other side of the world! Of course, he knows the answer, as we do! But, he uses it to defelct from his problems at home even though his question is legit.

Our hatered for this regime  does not mean that we should forget what the US and Israel's intentions are towards Iran. We can work with the US while we maintain our independence! Can we really?

Again

What AN Says is totally irrelevant - just like what IR or Khamenei says is irrelevant.   I am not saying what they say is wrong - for all I care IR can start reciting celectine versus - coming from IR would make it stink.   No doubt some of what IR says about Isreal is correct.  Same about US Capitalism, etc...  but as I said - IR is like murderers who have invaded our house, have already killed our kids, yet are giving us facts and logic about how children must not be abused!!  It becomes irrelevant and somewhat sichening.

BTW - IR is trying to appeal to our anti Arab sentiments. 

Divaneh ,,,

Can you please provide me with a few " IRI's discriminatory policies " towards our sunni brothers?

Since this clip is in regards to Ahmadinejad specifically, can you narrow it down to policies which discriminates against sunni's during his administration?

I have a few examples to prove your point wrong, but i like to hear you first since you brought up " discrimination".

I do appreciate your display and willingness to follow a logical approach.

masoudaA, AN's statement is correct

Please separate the message from the messenger. Everyone knows what a criminal he is, but that does not mean that we can ignore the truth in his statement. The Saudis that he had targeted are not our friends and seem to have the most backward society in the whole world. If they are interested in democracy and equality, then no better place to start than their own pungent society. Their support to Jundallah and some Arab separatist groups is not for Iran's good and does not come without strings. The Saudis efforts, together with IRI's discriminatory policies,  can cost us dearly.

No Fear and Divaneh

What is sick is his hypicricy.   The SOB is runing trucks over the population and then he tries to teach others what to do.   The SOB has nothing to say but to attack other people's weaknesses.   Let me give you a parallel - imagine a robber enters your house at night, takes all your money, and before leaving starts telling you how bad it is to abuse children or animals......    

BTW - I mus have seen Blazing Saddles 100 times.   

Dariush

Are you saying it wasn't the Halo but the Odor ?

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbggftNWYSc 

It's funny

What's the last phrase that he says? sounded like turkish.

I actually like it that he is directing his comments towards Iran's arab neighbours. His tone resignates with his type of followers, ye ede bisavad va sandis moft khor. then they chant death to america, I think they were not even listening to their leader and who he was mad at. It's indeed funny.

Stand up comedy...

Boy this is much better  than watching stand up comedy...

I can's stand him but he is right

His comments are directed at the Saudis who are providing the financial support to Jundallah and he is right to say they do not have had a single election themselves. Al Sauds dynasty certainly operates the most corrupted regime in the middle east and are the source of most problems in the area. For once AN is right.

What the coward does not admit, are the discriminatory policies against Sunis which have offered the opportunities to the Saudis in the first place.

Darius Kadivar

hahahahaha.........

When the Presidenteh Mohtaram Talks ...

The Nation ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs

What is your problem?

Based on ONLY the clip which is shown here, what exactly is your problem with what he said?

He is calling the arab democracies a spoof that doesn't exist. He is specifically directing it at the arab states.

I don't know why the original poster generalized and twisted his speech and named this post " Mordeshore Democracy ".

As if there isn't enough fools here to buy in to this cheap shot.

Nightmare

I hope it passes fast

disgrace

This man is a disgrace as a human being.

-YT 

Olagh !

Period !