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not surprised to see IRI

supporters dsputing basic documented facts. They have to. its an existential practice for them. In another thread one of them tried to claim that Shiites are a majority population in ALL of the middle east.

I would also not be surprised if they disputed Gravity. Too bad none of them will test it by jumping out of a 10th story window. 

MM

And just what MM represents? Mameh?

You should all read this

You should all read this article 

//www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=22688 

 Therefore, an initial reading [of this visit] is that Ahmadinejad rushed to Lebanon in response to the historic joint-visit undertaken by Saudi King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to Lebanon, travelling on the same airplane. This means that the Iranians, who have clearly become fed up with the Syrian disposition – although this is an article for another time – decided to publicly visit the country this time, in order to rescue Nasrallah from the findings of the Hariri tribunal. This is what Ahmadinejad's speech in the southern suburbs of Beirut revealed, and here it is important that we recall the surprise on Nasrallah's face on the day that he made his famous speech saying "they have acquitted Syria" in order to understand Iran's concern for Hezbollah today.

Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

Norooz

Regarding the 80 planes were about proving "Amirkabir" does not know history. It could have been 120 tanks or 2 soldiers. The point is the guy is ignorant of history. Get it?

Regarding winning Lebanon. If you call having your country trashed; many of your assets destroyed; many of your people killed winning sure they won.I hate to see Iran "win" like that.

Listen: Arab worshipers and Islamists like you don't get it. You want Iran to fight forthe Arabs who attacked it. I guess you put Arabs ahead of Iranians. Not a surprise. I have a hint on how Iranians look like: we don't dress like Saudi! You poor thing I know it is news for you.  You approve of the execution of patriotic Iranians but your tazi masters. Now I really know that Arabs don't eat of all their lizards.

Welcome Norooz

member for 1 hour and 30 minutes:)

I am not the one who brought up Israeli planes, I answered a question about whether or not it happened.  And I never claimed to be an ex Iranian pilot.  All I stated were the facts.  If that is too much for you to handle, then you have been a member here for 1 hour and 30 minutes too many:)

As for pro Israel or not, I personally don't give a damn about Israel, my focus is my country Iran.  IRI executed many of the pilots that you discount precisely because their focus was also Iran.  In case you haven't noticed from the name of this website, our focus here is also on Iran, not other countries.  And you are nobody to claim who is Iranian or not.  So disgrace khodetee badbakht.

norooz - you are everything what your name is NOT.

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First of all who gives a

First of all who gives a damn how many planes Israel shot down 30 years ago. That was then and now is now. we saw they couldn't win a war with Hezbollah after 34 days and that was Hezbollah with almost nothing.  So there goes all your claims.

Second, a commentator said a while back that a firewall around Israel will ground all those airplane you are so proud of and Israel and all his planes will become sitting ducks for Iran's missiles.

Third, i would understand those who are Zionist and defend Israel, but look at this yellow blood who calls himself fair and an Ex Iranian pilot and claims he has served in Iran-Iraq war.  Boy you don't even look like Iranians. You look more Guatemalans. and if you were Iranian by any slim chance. You are a good example of why IRI executed some of you. You say they were executed and couldn't fight for Iran. You mean like you are fighting writing pro Israeli comments? You are a disgrace even to Guatemalans.

The 80 planes

is known historical fact. Why is Amirkabir disputing this? My friends Fair and Amir1973 are providing facts. It is like saying Allies won WWII. This is not a matter of opinion. Is Amirkabir just trying to prove is ignorance of reality?

It's symbolic of his struggle against reality : Monty Python.

"Amir Kabir"

I've already demonstrated that you are just another lying Islamist on another blog. In fairness, calling someone a lying Islamist is the same as calling him/her a lying liar, because Islamists are liars by nature. Here are some links regarding the fighting between the IAF and Syrain air force in the early 1980s. I can't vouch with absolute certainty for the sources, but if there are credible counterclaims you should provide your own sources. Perhaps the claim is an exaggeration; I'm not 100% sure:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Air_Force#1982_Lebanon_War_and_its_aftermath 

Prior to the 1982 Lebanon War, Syria, with the help of the Soviet Union, had built up an overlapping network of surface-to-air missiles in Lebanon's Beqaa Valley. On June 9, 1982 the Israeli Air Force carried out Operation Mole Cricket 19, crippling the Syrian air defence array. In subsequent aerial battles against the Syrian Air Force, the IAF managed to shoot down 80 Syrian aircraft without losing a single fighter plane in an air to air combat.

//www.wordiq.com/definition/Israeli_Air_Force#Operation_Peace_for_Galilee 

During 1982 Operation Peace for Galilee, IAF warplanes destroyed the Syrian air defence without a single fighter lost and shot down 80 Syrian aircraft (some claim that part of the Syrian aircraft shot down by the IAF were piloted by Soviet pilots). IAF AH-1 Cobra helicopter gunships have destroyed dozens of Syrian armored fighting vehicles and other ground targets, including many T-72 main battle tanks.

Yes Amir

The Israelis did shoot down over 80 Syrian planes over the Bekaa valley, they lost 1-2 to ground fire from PLO. 

This was one of the most studied and documented air engagements post WWII.  The Syrians depended mostly on Russian surface to air missiles (SAM's) for air defence.  The Israelis destroyed the bulk of Syria's SAM's  on the ground, the only air defence left for the Syrians were their fighters, they felt forced to deploy them, and lost big time.  Israelis deployed the latest American fighters, with AWACS and electronic warfare and jamming and much more superior tactics.  In air to air, there were over 80 Syrian losses to 0 Israeli losses, a record that has yet to be beat, even in desert storm 9 years later.

The Syrian armed forces like the IRGC stateless terrorists put loyalty to the regime well before technical qualification, and is run as such.  They could have performed much better if they valued technical competence and training.  btw, Iran's air defence strategy today is also based primarily on SAM's, where Syria's SAM's were much more up to date in 1982 than Iran's SAM's are today, and Iran is actually more vulnerable to air attack than Syria was in 1982. And Iran is not stronger in the air than the 1980's, as anything it can put in the air today is completely obsolete today, which was not the case in the 1980's.  There is no chance that Iran today could even attempt an air attack of any significance by bombers on most of its immediate neighbors, let alone Israel.

Oh, but don't worry, we have Hezbollah instead... this is the "defence strategy" of the government occupying Iran today.   I am just very very thankful that nobody right now has any interest in occupying and taking Iranian territory.  Let us hope this lack of external threat lasts.

Amir1973

what period are you referring to? Where is the prove that Israel shot down 80 planes without losing one? 

Common sense tells me that could have been possible, if Israel destroyed the planes when they were on the ground. just as Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. However, it probably is just another one of your lies.

Iran is not Syria and much stronger than 1980s.

Dear Fair,

The only way such an attack could have happened was from Syrian territory, and the chance of success would have been very low, and had it been successful its impact on the Israeli invasion of Lebanon would have been negligible, if anything. 

You bring up an interesting point. In their engagements with the Syrian air force during that period, the IAF shot down over 80 Syrian jets (mostly Russian planes, I believe), without losing a single fighter of their own. 

No Fear

This is not relevant to this thread.  However...

I have also read this, but am very doubtful.  Abbas Doran and his wingmen were fully focused on defending Iran, and Doran died in the process of doing that.  What is your source for this news (other than wikipedia and all associated cut and paste snippets from it)?

The only way such an attack could have happened was from Syrian territory, and the chance of success would have been very low, and had it been successful its impact on the Israeli invasion of Lebanon would have been negligible, if anything.  And finally, any such plan from 30 years ago would be completely obsolete (as well as completely infeasible) today.  If God forbid the time comes, Iran will attack Israel with its missiles, in which case it will face a massive retaliation which will make the war of the cities look like a nice day in the park.

Abbas Doran did however draw many plans for many attacks on Iraq which were executed (many by himself) and had severe impact on Saddam's war effort , and he was one of the only ones left capable of such brilliant
planning.  To send him on a suicide mission over Baghdad was one of the
biggest losses for Iran, and acts of stupidity of this war, and was on direct orders of
Khomeini.  

There were many people as good and even more experienced than Abbas Doran who were ready and able and highly motivated to defend Iran, and the Islamic regime prevented them from doing so. Our people paid dearly, once again because of putting ideology (Hezbollah) before country (Iran). 

Israeli Officials

Once the Israeli officials saw Ahmadinejad at the border, they stuck their heads in each others strong holes. some even had heart attacks.

They were throwing up like any normal human would seeing the monkey. The best offense IRI has it to broadcast AN's picture. That and the stink of Khamenei's taryak breath.

Iran is using the money on Iranians. On defence, to protect them  from attacks. If you don't see that, that is too bad.

By getting third rate Chinese crap and Russian surplus junk? Right. They will do more for peace getting AN to shut up. Fit AN with "Poozeh Band" and that does more for peace. 

Fair,

Did you know Abbas Doran had drawn plans to attack Israel after Israel attacked southern lebanon in 1982?  Those plans are still classified even today in case we fly over Israel one day.

It is also known that Doran volunteered to lead the air attack himself ( quoted from other generals ).

Rozie-Gillani

I did explain it, you missed my comment.

Once the Israeli officials saw Ahmadinejad at the border, they stuck their heads in each others strong holes. some even had heart attacks.

Fair, I believe you,  you don't have to swear to God. ???

MM,

Palestinians haven't seen a dime of that money. It turned out to be a hot check to fool Abbas and Lebanese government and turn them against Hezbollah and Hamas. It worked in Palestine, but it didn't in Lebanon.  Apparently, it worked on you too.

bavafa,

Iran is using the money on Iranians. On defence, to protect them  from attacks. If you don't see that, that is too bad.

US contributes >$650M to Palestinians & >$65M to Lebanon

Lebanon: //www.usaid.gov/lb/ plus others, e.g., $230M extra //www.usaid.gov/locations/asia_near_east/middle_east/

Palestine:

The United States has appropriated ......$2 billion since 2007 in support of PA ......, including $650 million for direct budgetary assistance to the PA and nearly $400 million ..... The remainder is for ........, and vocational training. In December 2009, Congress approved $500 million in total FY2010 assistance pursuantto P.L. 111-117, the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2010. //www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf

This is part of the $7+ billion UN members package to the Palestinians, which these people gobble up and only acknowledge selected allies as helpful.

You never hear about all the other people helping these folks, while IRI's contributions to Hamas/Hezbollah is put on a silver platter and given with dohol/korna.  But, when there was a politician that promises ZERO foreign aid, that would be my choice, i.e., Ron Paul

Well said Fair, absolutely correct

While I am for a strategically strong Iran, I believe these $$$ can be spent much better to rebuild the Iranian economy then to buy friends. I am all for helping the poor and needy around the world specially those lives that has been so unjustly destroyed but that would be much better served if it was done by ordinary people and charities. A government first duty is to its own citizen and IRI has been neglecting its own citizen for decades now, so it is hardly any surprise here.

Mehrdad

So what happened to mahmood bi mokh's "stone throwing".....

at jews event, much heralded by islamists on this site? Did he chicken out when news went out that Jews will shoot back at him and his bunch of cowardly bassiji goon "protectors", unlike the defenceless female Iranian demonstrators? 

Well maybe his loud mouth west residing cyber bassiji employees on iranian.com, the "pino Q" and "amir saghir" could tell us!!

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Well said Fair

shame its been flagged.

This Ehsan Karimi (aka AmirKabir) has apparently been barred before for his obnoxious islamo-nazi terrorist views.

Q

First, I wasn't talking to arrogant self serving gheire adam like you.

Second, the fact that there was not a vote on this particular issue does not mean that public opinion does not matter. The "elaborate system" you are talking about needs to do only one thing- influence the public opinion.  If tomorrow 80% of Americans strongly believe that this aid should be cut and make it their number one issue, the politicians will have to listen.

Now if you had the slightest clue about this country you would know that.  But you don't.

Last, go become adam and talk like one. Until then, you are provider of much entertainment and material for psychological research and comedians:)

actually it's "unfair", Amirkabir

but usually also uninformed, and many times comically unrealistic.

And for those of you who say "why American taxpayers money can go to Israel but Iranian money cannot go to Lebanon"? the answer is simple. In America, taxpayers can VOTE, can organize, can express their opinion, and are consitutionally protected to do so.

Thanks for the laugh. Actually, No, Taxpayers didn't vote on this and many other issues. If it was up to a "vote", there would be a lot less wars and a lot more health, welfare, prosperity and security for the people. The Israel "aid" is part of an elaborate system of legal and illegal bribery taken full advantage of by Zionist lobbies and military contractors designed to defraud the tax payer, without his consent.

It's a moneylaundering scheme, far more sinister than anything any IRI could ever dream of.

If you know anything about this country, you would know that.

The only thing "exposed" Tahgord

is the fact that you're not an Iranian and you can't read. write or understand Farsi.  And no, we don't believe that you have, or ever had, any Iranian relatives or family.

Also, it's pretty curious that "Sargord Pirooz" is on this site 24 /7. including in the middle of the night in the West Coast, where he claims to live.  I actually think that this whole nonsense that he keeps talking about with "Fred" being multiple users, etc. applies to him.  I think that "Sargord Pirooz" is probably a username for a collection of IRI intelligence officers.   

exposed for lying?

Just because Fair does not want to reveal his unit so that he and his family are not exposed to the brutality of IRI, it does not mean that Fair is lying.  That type of "parvandeh saazi" does not work here.

Fair - well said.

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Iran before South Lebanon

Here is a picture of Khorramshahr, almost 30 YEARS after being liberated.  The vast majority of this once beautiful city is still in ruins, while the stateless terrorist regime occupying Iran spends hundreds of millions (low end conservative estimate) on South Lebanon.

//www.worldportsource.com/port/maps/IRN_Port_...

Of course, the supporters of this stateless terrorist junta like Colonel Sanders (the ultimate cut and run chicken, who just never bothered to be present in the first place) are fine with this, because the last thing that matters to them is Iran.

As for No Fear's creative statistics, sure, go right ahead.  Egypt is in Africa, Turkey is in Europe (two powerhouse muslim countries), so exclude them.  But I guess somehow Iran is in the middle east instead of SW Asia?  Sure, just rewrite and recategorize and redraw boundaries to suit yourself.  You are still unable to justify how the fascist regime goes peddles the money of the people of Iran without their consent to Lebanese and Palestinians while Iranians at home are in dire need.

And for those of you who say "why American taxpayers money can go to Israel but Iranian money cannot go to Lebanon"?  the answer is simple.  In America, taxpayers can VOTE, can organize, can express their opinion, and are consitutionally protected to do so.  In Iran, they cannot.  If the vast majority of Americans feel strongly enough about cutting aid to Israel, the American politicians will have to listen.  Iranians CANNOT vote, CANNOT organize, and CANNOT express their opinions, and their UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHTS are witheld from them as enshrined in the IRI constitution.  The supreme pizza has the right to interfere in any aspect of their lives, including the bathroom and bedroom, and have the final say and that is it.  And that is in the IRI constitution.

Why is Iranian money wasted on Hizbollah?

To get back to the point of the blog - simple answer:

The hizbollah terrorists that make up the regime in Tehran have closer ties to their hizbollah terrorist brothers in Lebanon than they do to their fellow Iranians - truly vatan foroosh low lifes.

BTW No Beer/Fear you are still wrong and I don't know what you mean - other than if you are admitting you are a bare faced liar. Now I think other readers want to get back on point so I will leave your lies for another day.

Qum

The only good thing coming out of Qum is silk rugs. And fine rugs they are. In post IRI Iran that should be the main product of Qum. Not radical moron with megalomania.

Piff!

The smell of "No Fear" switching the subject is  out again. 

I don't care about Shia or Sunni. They are not my problem. Iranians matter. Money we got should go to help Iranians and their interests. Let the Israeli and Arabs Shia or not deal with one another. Not my problem.Nor any Iranian persons.

Wasn't Ali jacked in one eye?

Wasn't Ali jacked in one eye?