Pictory

on emotions of "love" and "hate"...

My apologies for butting in again, I didnt mean to, but the pardy is not going too well here where I am...... 

Question: which emotions best describe our feelings towards the fascist sub human munsters who make our children watch these acts of pure barbarism?

Now back to shah... 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

lackey regime

I'm drinking Red Wine, so besalamatee :)  [i like my Guinness mixed with Fosters: 1/2 each.  Try it ;)]

"You're probably not used to straight talk in your life."  

Seriously, aziz, if you only spoke to those who have to deal with me on a daily basis, you would reconsider :)) I wish I could bend once in a while and not be so demanding of straight dealing from my fellow bipeds.

Blame my mother for naming me after a weapon of war that is Straight, Unbending,  and to the Point ... 

**I love you all, my fellow Iranians** and want nothing more than to see each and every one of you realize your Full God Given potential. 

But my love will not stand in the way of my tongue: We "phocked" up and were ungrateful.  You and I disagree.  That is fine. (Can you live with that?)

HTG Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was a Patriotic Iranian, Not a Lackey

Its clear the West wanted to get rid of him and through manipulation used the people of Iran to say he was a Nowkar of the west, he was independent and Iran was independent, living in peace, progress and with better human rights than exist in America today. (of course not perfect, there were unlawful and unauthorized abuses of power and torture, but not with the shahs Knowledge and against the law and against orders).  In the USA the president today can by law, indefinetly hold anyone, torture anyone and kill any American.  And how dumb were we to think jimmy and the USA cared for human rights and democracy when they don't even have either for themselves and every other election is won by stealing it, from JFK to Bush. 

Ouch the truth stings!!!!!!!!!

"We are FAMILY"

Please count me out...............after all I was among those who actively kicked your dear father and his ilk out of our beloved homeland.............the story of how we've found each other here again, is for another time..........

It can't get better than this......

It seems that the retarded Reza has called all Pahlavist sleepers to report at once........

You were all lackys of a regime that itself was a lacky

of foreign influence.

Not sure what you mean by an agitated mind. You're probably not used to straight talk in your life.

Just as a reminder, I've been the one inviting everyone in here to dance, and celebrate, not you.

And also, I'm the one on my fourth pint of Guinness, and not you.

Anymore relax than this I'll be comatose.

One Family

[edit: @pendar neek] 

Even if the revolution -- unlike every single other revolution to date -- was a glorious success, he would remain loved by yours truly.  

My love for that Shah is not comparative.  It is just an authentic response of my soul for a fellow Iranian who clearly LOVED Iran.  That is how I feel about Iran, Iranians, and Iranian Heritage.  It is a treasure of humanity and we must all together rise and protect it.

Universal Chillax is a good doctrine.  Remember: We are FAMILY.

Point well taken Amir Parviz

" he is the head of every single religion within his or her domain, therefore freedom of religion was a sacred part of Iranian culture ad by law"

Of course!  Thank you for clarifying your handle.  It appears we both recognize that the Shah of Iran has spiritual responsibilities.  That was my point.

Iranian people are a spiritual people.  This is a fact of our history.

Have you read this: //www.amazon.com/Other-God-Dualist-Religions-...  (highly recommended). 

HTG Joubin has a serious point.

Shahs intentions were the welfare and happiness of Iranians.  That is why he is Loved.

Maybe the people who betrayed him are the traitors, over 1953 and again over Hezb Rastakhiz, I mean based on their results in 1979, just a thought.

I was never in support of the Revolution, spoke out against its stupidity and it was a clearly gutless action based on our culture towards a leader that served his people.  I loved and supported him before 1979 and truly appreciated what his team had accomplished for Iranians, mostly because I saw how much better off Iranians were than all the 35 countries surrounding Iran within 2,000 miles of our border. My love for him was based on reality of where we were and wherewe reached compared to other countries, not comparing Iran with Utopia.

The universal rule of "Chillaxation" should apply...

Had it not for the big screw up which followed the Great Revolution, there would've never been this essentially comparative discussion (mis) leading us to believe that "he is loved"....

Calm down and think clearly

What have I stolen from you or any other?

 My father was born in the province; he was intelligent and capable.  And thus, his children enjoyed a refaah based on his intellectual merit.  Once we found ourselves in USA, again, my dear father started from ZERO and he is back where he belongs.

Of course that is an anecdotal report.  But do you blame me for relying on facts at hand rather than giving credence to the ramblings of a clearly agitated mind?  

Joubin, Secular means Religous people are out of Govt/State

and govt/state institutions are out of religous matters.  No one ever had to follow laws based on religion, or dictates based on religion during most of Monarchys Rule.  Monarchy is a construct of the Culture of Iran, it just so happens that Religion influences culture alot so in a sense your statement has a little truth to it, but not all the truth.  The reason Iranians created a shahseparate to religion was to defend the culture of Iran, which gave rise to it and not to rule based on religion.  I can't believe you don't know your own countries traditios and history.  The Shah like VF claims his power from god given power of farr, yet unlike VF he/she is not the representative of a single religion, he is the head of every single religion within his or her domain, therefore freedom of religion was a sacred part of Iranian culture ad by law, this is what was taught in all european universities in the 16th century from poland, to italy, to oxford.  This idea and the idea of celebrating the new are central parts of the enlightenment which is said to have been impossible without lessons from Iranian culture.  Concepts like democracy and secular must be together, if the democracy is not secular it is a disaster and further more secular democracy and monarchy are a great contribution to each other.  Secular Monarchy needs to focus on our culture and to defend it, thereby allowing us to have both freedom and justice, adding secular democracy to this is like achieving perfect socal harmony to freedom and justice, which democracy by itself in republics has never managed to do for any extended period as the culture becomes warped and in every case lost without a defender, look at greece. 

You're all a bunch of theives. YOU OWE Iranian peole, not

the other way around.

For my generation you stole my country at least twice; once in 1953 and again with Hezb Rastakhiz.

Vatan Forosh Past Fetrat.

I personally have NO issues

I personally have NO issues with being a citizen of a Republic. I am one right now.  It is fine with me.

My pointing out the FACT that the Iranian institution of Shah is theological is just that: FACT.

I most certainly do not worship this Shah (or any other) nor would I refrain from pointing out his shortcomings (as I have done regarding his megalomania and his intellectual failure).  God is perfect.  Man is judged by his intent.

And his intentions were the welfare and happiness of Iranians.  That is why he is Loved. 

Chillax, Hooshang Jaan ..

Shah himself was not corrupt.  Again we have the case of his fellow Iranians "phocking" things over and the poor man gets the blame.

Nor was he brutal, if we take 20 century leaders as a comparative measure. Stalin was brutal. Pol pol was brutal.  Mao was brutal. Le May was brtual. Shah was a saint compared to these monsters.

You still haven't answered coherently:  why do you say Monarchists hate Iranian People(s)?  Is it because of pointing out your ingratitude for being afforded the opportunity to participate in a meritocracy and you refused?

شاه اللهی

You still blame Iranian people for a problem that you created

yourself: Khomeini and Islamic Republic.

That corrupt brutal regime of shah has shaped your formative years so much, you can't see a damn thing wrong with it. It's always us who weren't this, or weren't that.

No buddy, it's the other way around, it was your phocking shah and his stupid, idiotic, medicated, sold out, jaded, cynical, corrupt, drug dealing, theiving, peasant kant supporters of his...

That how you hate us. Verstehen?

A shared delima ...

... which is resolved when one considers that IRI and Global Cabal are in cahoots.  Problem solved.

Let us remind ourselves what it means to be an Iranian:  

We are the Guardians of The Sacred Fire.  ~!* Azar Paadegaan *!~  

That is The Iranian Religion.  And the Sacred Fire is the manifestation of Truth:  Think clear, speak straight, and act decisively.  Only then will you be an Iranian.

So it is clear what need to be done: Throw Truth at Lies and knock its brains out! [Quran]

p.s. with all due respect "secular monarchy" is an oxymoron.  The Iranian institution of Shah is fundamentally a theocratic construct.  

I am a monarchist and I love Iranian people!

When I was a little kid I used to help old ladies cross the road!

When I was a young man I taught village people how to drive cars instead of riding khars and shotors...etc.

I love Iranian people! I LOVE you!

Joubin, I want IRI to get knocked down, but have a problem

with Obama/US/EU Racism politics too, what to do?

//iranian.com/main/blog/amirparvizforsecularm...

come again?

You said "Monarchists hate Iranian people".  "About" was about the et tu in response.

Let's try this again: Why do say that Monarchists hate the Iranian People(s)? 

a modified statement

collective ad hominem masquerading as "insight"

Hooshang Jaan, please explain how monarchists hate Iranian People.

Thanks. 

"Iranian people have about exact the same feeling"

I, for one, am incapable of hating anyone and it has nothing to do with the "spirit of Christmas"............Seriously, I feel sorry for those who instead of being refunded are being duped to feel as if they owe something to the corrupt, dirty Pahlavi family............that's all.

Monarchists hate Iranian people

Iranian people have about exact the same feeling for them.

Joubin

amen to that!

his analytical frame of mind

Shah was not in a position to make an accurate assessment of the situation.  Again, his considerable intellect failed him due to his regrettable megalomania (that was fed by the warm cooing sounds emitted from Kissinger, Rockefeller, and Nixon, et al.)

The poor man was under the impression that Cold War, etc. were the reality of the global political order.  Had he known what we know now -- thanks to the internet -- he would have been aware of the deep ties between Kremlin and City of London.  He would not have listened to that lizard, Kissinger, nor would he had waited for 'instructions' from USA.  

He would have viewed the act of protecting his reign as equivalent to protecting Iranian independence, instead of that of a king using violence against his own people to maintain his throne.  

A noble King who made the righteous decision given his understanding of the situation.  May he rest in Peace. 

The Alloffs (here* and back home) deserve exactly what they got.  Ingrates, one and all.  (From a meritocracy to mullacracy, that is Iranian Progressive thought, for you.  Shame on us all.)   

*Because you ingrates did NOT defend him! 

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The Long Twentieth Century: Money, Power, and the
Origins of Our Times

//www.mendeley.com/research/the-long-twentiet...

Total exports of IR (85% of it being oil) to the
outside world remains: one tenth of one percent of the aggregate
global trade.

At best we'll be able to increase it ten folds and
move it up to one percent. It still remains insignificant, not to
mention fictional. There's nothing Meli or national about any of it.

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And a Happy New Year to all Ladies and Gents, and lets party like it's 1929!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SHfyxs2SPI

The illusion!

He let it go to his head that he was actually in charge and forgot to whom he owed his throne!

Talking about shrines and monuments...

Sorry for being a party poop, but was just wondering what shall become of this particular shrine after the islamist regime is overthrown by national bourgeoisie, proletariat, missiles launched from US 5th fleet, or indeed an amalgemation of all above..

Now back to pardy, it's new years eve after all, nearly :) 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."