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Was Aisha a Jewish girl? Was Khadijeh Jewish woman?

Were these two ladies Jewish? recently, it has been disclosed that both ladies were jewish. What does this mean?

Thank you Ali P.

Ali p Jan

Khejalat Mifarmayeed:))

I am only a socktor and a chohandes . Not a damn thing more nor a damn thing less.at that

so... You are saying and you are advocating:))))) signing your name to it, Putting down your credentials:))) j/k in a Yavashaki az gooshe cheshm cheshmak zadan- kinda way...that it is ok so long as no one finds out.

I guess dar pase parda one can accomlish so much in just about anything.

Doctor mohandes jaan

Considering you are a doktor, as well as a mohandes (every Iranian family's dream son-in-law), shomaa har kaaree bekhaay meetoonee bokonee!

In every criminal investigation, there is usually a person who makes the complaint, initiating the process: Either the victim of the crime, or someone from a law enforcement agency, or DA.

The problem with underage brides, is that they usually lie about their age, and by the time the law finds out about it, the couple have been married for 10 years, with 3 kids. It may not be the best policy, or practical, to charge the parties with a crime.

Valee shomaa beh iin kaar aa kaar nadaashteh baash. Doktor mohandesee naasalaamatee!

Ali p Jan

Belakhare Is it valid or illegal??!!! Invalilegal? Illegavalid?:)) all the above?

taklif chieh... Bokonim Ya nakonim?:)

A marriage ceremony involving a freely assenting minor, acting
without parental consent, has been held valid, although, because of the
minor's age, the ceremony was performed in violation of law.” This case
did not reiterate the ages of 12 and 14.

Arab girls matured early on,

because they ate a lot of Khorma .Thus a 6 year old girlof that era was like 60 year old woman of today .

(Az Tojih Ta Enkar)

Sahih Bokhari is considered as the most reliable source of Hadith in Islam . Yet this Moola is denying that Aieshe was 9 years old when she got married . Usually Orthodox moslems defend this marriage by  ratioanlizing it  (tojih) stating that  the girls of that era matured faster . ( they ate a lot of KHorma )

Now in mern day ,  it sounds so sick and disgusting that the Mollas just deny it .

Every body knows...

Every body knows Muhammed was a pedophilia.

Mullahs are covering for him, because they are the same...

Yaar

Generally speaking, you are right. The law, in some states, allows girls to get married when they are 16, with parental consent or with a court order. Anything below 16 is probably not allowed, if it is brought up to the attention of law enforcement.

This Mullah is full of it:

Yet if you
search the web, several sites suggest either that the minimum age to
marry here with parental consent is 14 for boys and 12 for girls, or
that it is 16 for both. Where do these ages come from?

The notion
of a minimum age of 14 for boys and 12 for girls comes from an 1854
case, Parton v. Hervey, 67 Mass. 119. In this case, a 13-year-old girl
got married without her mother’s consent, and her
mother was forbidding her from going to live with her new husband. The
court ruled that while it is illegal for someone to perform a marriage
of a minor, the marriage itself is only voidable, not void. So the minor
could get out of the marriage if she wanted to, but that the marriage
was not void as a matter of law, as long as the minor was above the “age
of consent.” The case then went on to say that the age of consent in
Massachusetts (in 1854) was fourteen for males and
twelve for females, and thus the girl was still married and her mother
couldn’t keep her from her beloved husband. This case was most recently
cited in 1977 in Baird v. Attorney Gen., 371 Mass. 741 , for its basic
premise “A marriage ceremony involving a freely assenting minor, acting
without parental consent, has been held valid, although, because of the
minor's age, the ceremony was performed in violation of law.” This case
did not reiterate the ages of 12 and 14.

Few points,

Why this fellow considers his references more reliable than others'?

Why they address every low rank clergy with lots of titles but no title/respect for Aisha at all? wasn't she the prophet's wife after all? isn't this blind hatred towards sunnis?

The painful part is that the prophet said to his followers: "I leave two things with you, Quran and my tradition". That tradition includes old men, with many wives, marrying young girls. And how many millions of child/young girls, throughout the history since then, have been given for so-called marriage in the name of that tradition.
What makes me doubt if he was a prophet at all, to any extent even as far as being a simple spiritual person, is his behaviour in old age. Every spiritual man, or woman for that matter, gives up the worldly desires as they grow older, either due to biological changes or developing a higher realisation about life and it's impermanence ...etc. Now if such spiritual person is convinced about existence of another life or angels,...etc, he/she would be even more detached from this earthly life. Muhammad, according to Quran itself 81-23, had seen Jabrail in a clear horizon. he is expected to be so engaged, absorbed and occupied by the divine aspects of his mission so to forget about the world and all its concerns. if we say, at the end of the day, he was a human and had some sexual urges, which is a valid argument, then the answer would be that he had many wives, at least 2 of them young, to meet his needs. It is so hard to believe a man claiming such divine mission at 54 (some say 57) is still so concerned with his sexual desires, even if Aisha was 20y old. those who say it was a political decision, then it would set an even worse tradition which is "the end justify the means". Where is the wisdom here? the wisdom to see what he was doing and what would be the impact of his actions for the future generations? even Quran tells him just to give the message and don't worry if people accept it or not. So he was not allowed to employ any means to spread the message. In fact as a result of that worse tradition we see this idiot clergy allows himself to deny historical facts and fabricate new stories to justify their religion. There are so many other things that simply are not acceptable from an ordinary spiritual being what to speak of a prophet.  cheers 

I wonder?

How did he get it up at age 54? There was no Viagra back then. Was this one his holy miracles? Getting it up @ 54?  

Question

گفتا بخوان، گفتم چه بخوانم!

محمد اهل خوانندگی بود!

همگی دست! خانومها رقص!

جبرئیل بصورت مردی بر محمد ظاهر شد و از او خواست تا بخواند.

ابن اسحاق نقل می‌کند که جبرییل درحالی که کتابی پیچیده در دیباج در دست
داشته به محمد نزدیک شده و به او گفته «بخوان». محمد برای خدیجه بازگو
می‌کند که غریبه گفت: «اقراء»، (بخوان). گفتم: چه چیز را بخوانم؟ پس مرا
بسختی در آغوش گرفت، چنان که از حال رفتم و گمان کردم که مرگ است. چون بخود آمدم دوباره گفت: اقراء! (بخوان).   

همساده قدیمی

سپاس و درود بر شما.  خیلی از خواندن توجیحت لذت بردم و متشکرم که این سئوال را پاسخ دادی

Many of the stories in

Many of the stories in Hadith/Shari'a become relevant when the Islamists try to use them as reference points for what the civil law in the 21st century should be.  So, it is important to know if Mohammad married or intended to marry 46 females during his lifetime (according to several accounts), whether Aisha was 6 when she was married (but promised not to sleep with her until she was nine).  Or, whether as the gentleman here say, his marriages were purely political in nature, and may be even Platonic.

So, if one hadith/Shari'a law, especially one or more attributed to Mohammad, is/are wrong for the 21st century, how many others are wrong as well, and the need to eliminate Shari'a in favor of human rights become more evident.

jeesh daram: because...

معاویه: آیا در جنگ جمل حاضر بودی هنگامی كه علی با عایشه، همسر محترم رسول خدا ـ صلّی الله علیه و آله ـ جنگ می‎كرد؟ راستی در جمل حق با كه بود؟
شیخ: حق با علی بود.
معاویه: مگر خداوند نفرموده بود: «اَزواجُهُ اُمَّهاتُهُم»[2] زنان پیغمبر ـ صلّی الله علیه و آله ـ مادرهای این امت‎اند و پیغمبر ـ صلّی الله علیه و آله ـ عایشه را ام المؤمنین می‎فرمود. پس چرا علی با عایشه جنگ كرد؟
شیخ: مگر خدا به عایشه و دیگر زنان پیغمبر ـ صلّی الله علیه و آله ـ نفرمود: «وَ قَرْنَ فی بُیُوتِكُنَّ وَ لا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبرُّجَ الجَاهِلِیَّهِ الاُولَی»[3] ای زنان پیامبر! در خانه‎هایتان بمانید و تبرّج و خودنمائی زنان زمان جاهلیت را مرتكب نشوید.
ولی از بین زنان پیغمبر ـ صلّی الله علیه و آله ـ فقط عایشه بود كه فرمان خدا را نپذیرفت و خانه را رها كرد و با عده فراوانی از نامحرمان به قانون جاهلیت بیرون شد و بر امیر المؤمنین علی ـ علیه السلام ـ خروج كرد.
مگر پیامبر ـ صلّی الله علیه و آله ـ نفرموده بود: «أنتَ یا عَلِیُّ خَلیفَتی عَلی نِسوانی وَ طَلاقُهُن بِیَدِكَ» یا علی! تو پس از من خلیفه من و سرپرست زنان من هستی و مختاری كه آنان را از طرف من (وكالتاً) طلاق دهی. با این وجود عایشه چندین مرتبه فتنه بر پا كرد تا خون مسلمانان ریخته شود و اموال آنان پایمال گشت.
لعنت خدا بر ستمكاران. همانا عایشه ستمگر بود و او مانند زن نوح است و در آتش جهنم جای دارد.

whether a man in his 50s

whether a man in his 50s consummated a "marriage" with a 9-year old girl or a 13-year old girl is moot. here's an iranian islamic website briefly explaining the rift of the sunnis and shias on this 4 year diffference (also confirming iranfirst's quote from the hadith). //peyambareomid.blogfa.com/post-22.aspx

one cannot deny the fact that, in the islamic republic, it is considered a 9-year old girl has entered womanhood and can be married with the consent of parent.  i submit that great majority of people think that this line of thinking amounts to nothing but sanctioned exploitation of girls and their rape (not merely child molestation).  similarly, a man in his 50s (a friggin prophet, nonetheless) marrying even a 13 year old would be considered perversion.

the interesting thing about the video (i didn't watch in its entirety) is that it is trying to establish that the claim that ayesheh was underage has been brought up only in the past "few years."  while the interviewer in the beginning is even trying to excuse it even if it was true; claiming that we should not be judging people's customs from a long ago with today's standards.

راستی یادم افتاد این سئوال رو مطرح کنم

Love it, Love it, Love it

I love it. For the first time the Islamists are denying that Aieshe (mohamad's 9 year old bride) was underage at the time of Mohamad marrying (I call it statutory rape) her.

Even if she was 18 or 20, what kind of pervert would at the age 54 marry an 18 year old? Could a person like that be trusted? Do you want o have a next door neighbor like that? Does any normal person ever want to associate with such man?

By the way, the same 54 year old man's first wife (khadijeh) was actually old enough to be his mother.

This new stand about Aieshe's age, which is well documented and accepted by almost all Islamists except this dude, shows that the internet is working in showing the real face of Islam.

Khomeni molested a 4 year old baby

  //www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oyHM7aZ1Ws

Aonether attempt to clear Mohamad the Child Molester

Ayatolah Montazeri is  SHIA and here in his debate he admits that Mo was 53 and Ayeshe was 9, but he "justifys" the rapists action by sayinh that Mo did it for political reasons !

"Ayatollah Montazeri

The marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha took place in the
first or second year of the Hijra at the insistence of her father Abu
Bakr and some of his friends. The Prophet, for sometimes after the death
of Khadijah, remained single. His main objective in accepting this
marriage was for political reasons. The reason for this marriage was
that the Prophet was under the intense pressure by his enemies like Abu
Lahab and Abu Jahl and was completely dependant of the protection of
other tribes. Abu Bakr had a lot of tribal influence. And rejecting his
offer, in those conditions, for the Prophet was not prudent. In reality
this marriage was symbolic and not to satisfy his sexual instinct,
because, as a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a
9-year-old girl."

//alisina.org/ayatollah-montazeri-vs-ali-sina...

Who cares?

Why should we care about a Aisha? A Jewish girl. Khadijeh was also Jewish. All these Imams and descendents of Mohmmad are Jewish. Hosein, Ali, and others who claim to be seid are all Jewish. If these people cared about Iran, do you think they would be killing Iranians? These people hate Iran and its people. All their actions help Israel become powerful technological country and rulers of the world, while IRanians are being reduced to servant class in their own country. This is a classic pattern we see in all colonized countries. 

 Look at the Jews - they are the chosen people who are encouraged to achieve, while Iranians too sari mekhoran and told they are terrorists and forced to study a Jewish religion, Islam. Shame on you people. 

those hadith are fake

During the fall of the Ummayads, the sunnis had to justify why Aisha's hadith were more predominent in their collections than that of Ali.

Especially since Ali converted to Islam at the age of 7.

So they fabricated hadith as usual, and claimed Aisha was 6 at the time of marriage, to beat the Shia claim that Aisha was not as worthy as Ali to narrate hadith since Ali was of course 7.

So quote all those Sahih Bukhari (Sunni sources) you want. They aren't authentic because they were written for political purposes.

Those same hadith are found in the Al-Kafi collections, but marked as "narrated by Ahl al Sunnah" 

Interesting

20th century civilization, picked 18, as the age, a minor becomes of age.

There was no dispute as the age of Aisha until now. Now that they are going global, and westerners are looking into this, her age would have to be adjusted at least 18, to save face, or the rest of the world would look at it with disgust.

Islamic human rights. Islamic democracy. Islamic justice.

You can- and should- adjust your philosophy and ideology with time, but you can't adjust your history with it.

Give me a break. 

Mohamd WAS a Child Molester, of the worst kind

Now IRI and this idiot Akhund wants to white wash it all. See the following (references in the article).

Mohamad was also practicing the disgusting practice of thighing when Ayesha was 6 years old see

//iranian.com/main/2010/nov/alis-9-year-o...

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SAHIH AL-BUKHARI

Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to
Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got
ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother,
Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girlfriends.
She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to
me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the
house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right,
she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took
me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said,
“Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and good luck.” Then she entrusted me
to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s
Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)

Narrated Hisham’s father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He
stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was
a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she
was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

NAN ABU DAWUD

Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me
when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or
six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr’s
version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me
prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4915)

HA HA

Says the same Akhund who accused Iranians of being aggressors in the war with the Tazi Muslims and that they were occupiers of 'Arab' Iraq.

Mohammed - the Prophet of God -  had sexual intercourse with a minor. Pure and simple. 

mahmoudg -- you can repeat yourself all you want

you can repeat yourself all you want -- but you are wrong. All sources that I myself have researched as well says she was 18 or older based on the time she converted to Islam, and the fact that she got married in the second year AFTER HIJRA.

But go ahead, keep repeating yourself in your ignorance. "Kasi keh nadanad keh nadanad -- ta abadoh dah dar jahl morakab mimanad" <-- except you aren't even ignorant anymore.  

I repeat myself

Mohamad was a child molestor.  If the Islamic Rapist Cultists sends its agents all over the world to pounce on this subject, then there must be a truth to the fact that this cirminal A-rab molested and roed a child and thus must be noted as such in history.

Wow, I didn’t know he liked them young

Since they brought it up, I like to know her size too, my guess is 42” 22” 38"