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by Doctor mohandes on Mon Jan 24, 2011 07:02 PM PSTI see your point and i can't say that i do not agree with it, However if you look at players in other teams, ranging from the great ones such as brazill to the up and coming ones such as Turkey or Hamin Korea- e khodemoon:) You can see it in their faces that they are there on the pitch for a reason and they have a goal and by god their play and their tactics speaks volumes for what they have in mind, Be it an old school ideaology or not. They seem to have the motivation that our players, although individually esxtremely talented and skillful don't. They seem to be inspired By ceratin factors that appears to be not there for us.
I am sure that the politics dominating football and sports-related events in our country, as HG pointed out are so complicated and that could be a reason for the situation we are dealing with. Going back to the basics is what really what it all comes down to, and focusing on each and every individual's desire , which would then set the tone for how the team will perform and progress.
Now, It is obvious that many of our players, even those in european leagues don't bring home as big a paycheck as top rated guys do, heck and i am pretty sure what they get at home pales in comparison to other countries, So in a way what he says might be way overrated, and money and big paycheck may not even be playing a role, But i think what he is getting at is that they need to play as a solid unit and really find themselves and put their game faces on and put all other things behind them.
I believe that is the key factor for teams such as Japan and Korea to have climed up the charts in the past two decades.
My dah shahi:))
DM Azeez:
by G. Rahmanian on Mon Jan 24, 2011 01:25 PM PSTThat's exactly where I disagree with Mr. Parvin. He belongs to the old school of thought that believes one has to give selflessly without much expectation. Gone are the days of volunteerism. Still there are people who would volunteer to do things, but that should be considered a choice and not a duty. It should be seen as an option and not an imposition. We can't see it as the norm, anymore. I was lucky to have met some of the people in the world of sport in those years and I still have much respect for them. And I wish they had been compensated for one hundredth of what they gave to their country.Even if we have great ideals, we cannot expect everyone else to have them, too. There are players who might fit Mr. Parvin's definition of "devoted" athletes, but, again, we should not expect all to fall into our own categories.
Parvin, what a great name when I was growing up
by Anahid Hojjati on Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:27 PM PSTAs a Perspolis fan, there was no one better than Ali Parvin when I was growing up. He was the man. I have not watched this video and have not followed his coaching career closely but he ruled hearts of Perspolisee fans in 1350s even though I was really young but who could not see the greatness.
doctor mohandes, here's
by hamsade ghadimi on Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:02 PM PSTdoctor mohandes,
here's an honest ali parvin (without profanity) that i grew up with. right to the point: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzd1QWTmg9E
here's his impersonation (watch 1:38). this is how he would really talk: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx2PiWNljuY
Hamsade JAn
by Doctor mohandes on Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:47 AM PSTI wish that Our friends' comments, right below yours, was as balanced as yours, and not so broad-ranging and off the Field, I guest our friend did not want to drop anything from Ghalam!
He was very close in getting Khaki with the reporter though was'nthe? i mean i can just imagine,,, him saying towards the end... In k... ko...e ha... k... pa... akh Morabi az Kharej byaran ke che ... G,, Bokhore.... Akhe... k... :))))
I think The played one Top notch nation: iceland!!
parvin pa talaaii, i only
by hamsade ghadimi on Mon Jan 24, 2011 08:58 AM PSTparvin pa talaaii, i only wish i could have heard him with the cameras off so that he can talk with his down-to-earth profanity-laced language. he was my hero as a kid and he's spot on (including other commenters) that iran needs investment in the soccer infrastructure. soccer organization in iran in many ways is representative of the corrupt political structure. also, we should playing more top notch countries in our friendlies instead of playing albania in mashhad.
Success needs nurturing!
by PArviz on Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:21 AM PSTAs long as we have the current Islamic regime in power, no advances can be made in any field (science, sports, culture....).
It is simply against the laws of the universe. How can we have a good national side when a great number of our people live under the poverty line or while a barbaric regime stifles the youth of our nation in so many ways.
The only way of being successful in any thing is the downfall of this regime.
Down with the ENTIRE Islamic Republic!
GR jaan
by Doctor mohandes on Sun Jan 23, 2011 08:31 PM PSTYou went through so many relevant issues in your comments and you are spot on. But one thing that have to agree on with Ali parvin is that he is right in saying that the team spirit and tasob is really really not there.
Even if you consider as legitimate their choices after the match. and respect their rights in terms of showing off their skills and talnets during all those tournoments, so as to be signed up bythe best team out there How and in what ways would it benefit Our national team in anyway? IS it not the case that in 9 cases out of 10, players are just plain exhausted having been through all those tough and challenging league matches in their respective professional leagues (keeping in mind how tight their shedules are and what a demand it puts on the player)? As it turns out, This could have a very devastating impact on our national team since players can easily forget and feel so care free towards their committment to it, since they are getting a much better service and deal at the club level. I recall so many instances where for example, Nekonam or Ando did not play to their potentials because they were tired after long Flights!!!
Another thing that he touched up on was the real value that a foreign coach can bring in. He is right. according to him, looking back, even in those years we realized how many years we were lagging behind the rest Of Asia. a problem that was not fixed Even when we had Ivanko as our coach, Contrast that to 98 when (i forgot his name) our homemade coach got us good results in France. There are so many examples of Teams who did much better without a foreign coach... Mexico, USA, Japan, etc...
So In my Opinion , State-of-the art training and Top rated coached in the world, would only take us so far. Our Kids need to rediscover themselves and Get it together and develop that Competitive spirit that they sorely miss right now.
Dear Alex:
by G. Rahmanian on Sun Jan 23, 2011 03:55 PM PSTIran like many other countries in Asia CAN produce great players. In countries, such as South Korea and Japan which Ali Parvin mentioned and I said in a different exchange with DM and Faramarz with regards to Korea, soccer has improved drastically in the past 15-20 years. Billions of dollars were spent in Japan on making soccer professional. Korean and Japanese parents spend lots of money and time on their kids' training. Kids are sent to different countries to master the game. Mr. Parvin emphasized the fact that a good coach is needed. The country needs to spend more in order to produce better players. All players in the world of professional sports think about their next move all the time. Mr. Parvin is an idealist when it comes to that aspect of a player's life. Olympics and the World Cup games are the venues where athletes with high potential are scouted. I see nothing wrong with athletes trying to get the best deals for themselves. In fact that makes them do their best as athletes. Who makes what after the games should not be the coache's concern. MRX mentioned something about Iranian players not being fit to play for 90 minutes. I have heard that statement since I was a kid rooting for Mr. Parvin et al. Iranian players can do much better with better coaches and trainers. The talents are there. And as I said in my talk with my friends, DM and Faramarz yesterday, emphasis on better teamwork is the answer.
Aryan, white, blue eyes & handsome looks like mongol rafsanani?!
by Jonny Dollar on Sun Jan 23, 2011 05:51 PM PSTwhat an insult to a decent man who only cares about Iran unlike the gang leader crook rafsanjani! may be it is time to change your glasses.
It's over
by MRX1 on Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:38 AM PSTThe golden days of Irainan football are over. While the rest of the continent progressed by leaps and bounds by making structural changes to their football and their leagues we continued with the same methods and routines. Majority of Iranian players are not fit enough to play 90 minutes of game much less shine in any international arena week by week. Even those that make it abroad will only last one or two seasons before their respective teams give up on them and get rid of them.
he looks like Rafsanjani
by mahmoudg on Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:50 AM PSTwithout the towel
Alexqt
by Doctor mohandes on Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:12 AM PSTBe that as it may, You know, the Turning down the offers, I doubt that many of our guys are even made for playing abroad, Cases in Point. Ando was downgraded, was benched and now he is out, dayi did not last for more than one season with Munchen, and currently Shojaei and nekonam hardly get play time in Osasuna.
So that is a fact. But if you noticed yesterday, Virtually half of koreasn players play for European clubs and tOp ones at that and they are keepers,. They have the mentality and the physique to cope. At any point during the game. thety were far ahead of us in terms of number of Kilometers ran and the speed!! What does that suggest to you other than they are more fit that us. This was also the case aganst n. korea!!
Something that can not be said for majority of our players...
The wages is too high comparing with quality of the league.....
by alexqt on Sun Jan 23, 2011 09:31 AM PSTDear mr Rahmanian,
Iranian football league is not a big league (look at the facilities and more and more, so poor), and the wages is too high.The main deal here is that the Iranian players in Iran get money that is unbelievable. Unfortunately our players think short term and do not think about the quality of the teams and leagues that they played for.
Without mentioning names, we have four or five players in the national team right now that have turned down offers from very big teams in the world, a couple of them playing in UEFA Champions League.
Check this link:
//www.persianfootball.com/live/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3215:meet-kian-karam-the-new-iranian-head-hunter&catid=13:team-melli-news&Itemid=175
Two things
by G. Rahmanian on Sun Jan 23, 2011 06:14 AM PSTI did not like about the interview: Talking about the money the players get which is in fact very little in comparison to what players in many countries get. Another one was saying that luck would influence the outcome of the game up to 30% to 40%.