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Abramard

I don't think there will be war. But if there is the Iranian soldiers who fight will die. I want to save them from that inevitable fate.

No, really...!

Dear Fesenjoon2, that looks more like a grocery shopping list, or at best, a Xmas wishlist for Santa! But in realiry, who do you suppose is going to carry out all those aerial attacks, to what end and by what objectives? Israel is defintely not capable of doing so -- for if it were, it would've by now! And if the U.S. is, do you propose that as a series of surgical attacks, or a carpet bombing campaign?

Moreover, what was that Mongol comparison all about and what does it have to do with bombing Iran?!

Arj

For you:

//iranian.com/main/blog/fesenjoon2/where-bomb-iran-if-needed

Nobody expects Mullahs to vanish. We do however wish to de-fang them. 

Bomb Iran?!

Dear Fesenjoon2; as an advocate of bombing of Iran, what exactly do you presume that would happen after the bombing? Are akhoonds going to vanish into the thin air, or is even IRI going to fall?! What kind of a bombing are you in favour of? Is it carpet bombing of the entire country, or do you prefer surgical strikes? And how is any of that going to grant you your wishes?! For surgical strikes aren't going to do it, and carpet bombing would leave no Iran left, be it with IRI or without!

Moreover, with regards to your Mongol invasion comparison, would you please elaborate on how Mongols were supposedly driven out of Iran, and how is it presumed to be in parallel with any bombings or the present situation with IRI?!

VPK

You may suggest but that will not be the case.

Abarmard

You are partially right. The reason nothing has happened yet. But the assumption is the military will fight. The other option is they will run. The military knows they will lose in time. So why fight? 

It is a war of nerves and the Iraqi model shows futility of direct resistance. Therefore a person will run to preserve themselves. Are the soldiers going to fight or run. I guess taking out the generals is one way to send a message.

The issue is not right or wrong. It is power. IRI will lose any fight. To minimize the damage to Iran I advise the military to drop the guns; surrender or run. 

Rastgoo

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. "

What is the "Gulf" I do not know that name.  Why do you repeat the false name? 

By the way nothing will hapeen i IRI is attacked. Most likely the Mollahs will run. You folks keep overstating the power of the Hizbolahi regime. Just as Saddam overstated his. What happened when Iraq got nailed: nothing! I do not know what happens to the regime but I know its supporters are scared ***. As for Israel I don't care so please do not try to get us all worked up over the "Jew" this or that.

From 2007 analysis

These points still holds valid. It's not about the Mullahs, it's about Iran. If one doesn't get it, then they don't get it. War is not in favor of Iran or Iranian people. On the contrary, as it is mentioned in this debate, it's to draw a line between the regime and the interest of Iranian people.
 
Let's look at the analysis:

• Any attack is likely to be on a massive multi-front scale but avoiding a ground invasion. Attacks focused on WMD facilities would leave Iran too many retaliatory options, leave President Bush open to the charge of using too little force and leave the regime intact.
• US bombers and long range missiles are ready today to destroy 10,000 targets in Iran in a few hours.
• US ground, air and marine forces already in the Gulf, Iraq, and Afghanistan can devastate Iranian forces, the regime and the state (Iran) at short notice.
• Some form of low level US and possibly UK military action as well as armed popular resistance appear underway inside the Iranian provinces or ethnic areas of the Azeri, Balujistan, Kurdistan and Khuzestan. Iran was unable to prevent sabotage of its offshore-to-shore crude oil pipelines in 2005.
• Nuclear weapons are ready, but most unlikely, to be used by the US, the UK and Israel. The human, political and environmental effects would be devastating, while their military value is limited.
• Israel is determined to prevent Iran acquiring nuclear weapons yet has the conventional military capability only to wound Iran�s WMD programmes.
• The attitude of the UK is uncertain, with the Brown government and public opinion opposed psychologically to more war, yet, were Brown to support an attack he would probably carry a vote in Parliament. The UK is adamant that Iran must not acquire the bomb.
• The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely. The US retains the option of avoiding war, but using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran�s actions.

The scale of war must be large, meaning Iran, as a country will be pushed back a few decades back. The theory that US and coalition will only attack "Mullahs"!! is flawed. It doesn't serve any objective for US or Israel. Thinking that the Mullahs will be harmed and the rest of the population will rise to overthrow the regime is as silly as it can get. Iranians will not submit, simple as that. US is well aware of that. Threats, sanctions, and wars each have increasing livelihool effect on Iranian regime.

Take a look at history. Monitor the 2009 election and uprising. They all point to a simple fact that the part of society that is willing to change is the one that is in higher social economic class. If that's true, sanctions limit that class. War, similar to Iran-Iraq war, gives chance to extremists and most conservative branch taking part in politics of Iran.
Iranian system can get people gather around the regime when external enemy exists that destroys Iranian people and kills them daily. Most of them don't even see the enemies' face, and that adds to frustrations. The outcome is dangerous.
On the contrary to war option, economic and political support will allow Iranians to become empowered and make decisions for themselves. Individualism gains momentum, while in war social good takes over individual rights.

One must be careful not to fall for slogans than sound good based on wrong actions. Wrong actios always ends with wrong outcomes. War is wrong. If you don't choose to jeopardize yourself or families to "save" Iran (or US), then you should not preach actions that do just that. And that's fair.

Source: //rawstory.com/news/2007/Study_US_preparing_massive_military_attack_0828.html

Oon Yaroo AALIGHADR

From the very first post that I read by you, I was able to "inhale" the fragrance of a truly pure lover of Iran. And when you mentioned the event during your morning shower, that went to confirm that you are indeed pure both in body and mind. The AAKHOOND are not in the habit of bathing regularly. They do stink, body and soul. Thanks for being a much-needed voice for the good. May deliverance come to Iran soon. May this fire of hatred flamed by the mullahs toward israel and the US get extinguished and replaced with a solid bond of friendship. We Iranians, the non-Islamist type, have no quarrel with any people. We have had a long-standing tradition of respecting all people and their diversity. We need to remove the leeching mullahs just the way you did the one in the shower. Stay firm. Stay the course. Stay brave.
With deepest respect and affection to my worthy HAMMIHAN

Bee Gees Jaan

Iran.com is kind of like the military!

You start out as a civilian and over time you get promoted to a lieutenant, major, colonel, general and then you retire.

Here on this site if you speak the truth against the Regime the ranking goes something like this; Savaki, Monarchist, Exile, Iran-hating Iranian, fake Iranian, MEK de-lister, AIPAC/NeoCon/Likud/Settler and now bomb-Iran advocate.

I am not ready for retirement so I am waiting for the next promotion!

Rastgoo

Oh, rest assured about that one. When the time comes, I wont hesitate to help smoke out all the 5th column IRI apologists living in the US. Im already registered with the US Armed Forces.

I'd much rather be with neocon chickenhawks than with turban wearing pedophiles calling for Hokoomat-e Jahani-e Agha.

This is the faith and ideology Iran today is dealing with:

Excellent cartoon:

//www.myspear.org/sex-in-islam.html

Faramarz be careful

Next thing you know, you are painted as a paid Israeli mouthpiece. Why so? Because in this terribly insane and highly polarized world you speak sense and you don't blndly stick to spewing venom at the US.The only thing that needs be done is to get the damned mullahs and thei thugs out of government. That's the highest priority. No, no bombing of Iran. No more Iranian blood. The mullahs have shed and continue to shed Iranian bloods by buckets. They must go. Thanks for being a vice for sanity and justice.

Ostad/Doost GeranBaha Bahram G. Goll, Today when I was

taking a shower I felt a massive painful bite behind my right arm. After examining the area with my left hand, I discovered a nasty "TICK" trying to suck my blood!

I grabbed the TICK by the head and yanked it out of my flesh. So, I know what you mean by the blood sucking mullahs!

Unfortunately, the nastiest blood sucking TICKS of all times i.e., Akhoonds et al are not easily yankable! To dislodge them SoBs, one requires a massive amount of energy!

Your unconditional friend, OY! 

Fesenjoon

I think that in the event of a war between Iran and "the rest of the world" you should put your life where your mouth is, and physically fight against the IRI.  You and chicken hawks like you have no idea the devastation that a bombing will bring to Iran.  All the oil fields in Iran and the gulf states will be on fire.  The hard earned infrastructure of Iran will be destroyed (roads, power stations, ....).  Tens of thousands will be killed.  Iran will be left a lame duck like Iraq after the 1st gulf war with a very good chance of territorial disintegration.  Israel will be the only winner.    US will be hated even more in the region and in Iran.  If you think the regime will collapse then you're even more naive.    

Oon Yaroo jaan

What the mullahs want, above all, is to keep their parasitic existence going and keep on sucking the anemic blood of iranian people. To achieve this goal and maintain their shameful life, the shy short of no misdeed.

For a second, let's put the IRR hat on and see why it needs ...!

For a second, let's put the IRR hat on and see why it needs a nuclear bomb!?

Is it to protect the interest of Iran? No!

Is it to protect the interest of Iranian people? No!

Is it to protect the economical interest of Iran? No!

Is it to protect the territorial integrity of Iran? No!

Is it to protect a "nonexistent" democracy in Iran? No!

Is it to protect Islam? No!

IRR wants the bomb to continue being a menace which what it is, continue blackmailing the rest of the free world, continue terrorizing the rest of the world, and continue its survival and that of its thugs without being held accountable and getting prosecuted!

Now, you can switch your hat to the US/Israel one, some combination of these two will give "it", that's the bomb, to IRR, most likely dropped on their head!

Karim is scared to speak out of retribution from AIPAC

This whole paranoia with an Iranian bomb is made up by Israel and it's US arm AIPAC.  The fear is that an Iranian bomb will weaken Israel's negotiating power in the ME with regards to its illegal occupation of Palestinian territories.  It's all part of their land grab.  Why doesn't the world get this:

1.  Iran is perhaps one of the least favored nations in the world opinion due to the hostage crisis, burning of flags, chants of death to, terrorism...and an overall trouble making disposition.

2. Israel has a powerful grip on US politics.  I never realized that until September 11th.  They unseat any politician that votes an iota against its expansionist policies.  Examples abound.

3.  Karim works here and cannot say the truth out of fear of retaliation from the Israeli lobby.  They are ruthless and work very much in the same spirit as "bibi".  Should Karim be harsher in his arguments he would be labeled a terrorist sympathizer and anti-semite and his career ended. 

Yes, Bomb Iran

Iran is occupied.

And what do you do when a country has been occupied by a ruthless invader that kills its people and is a threat to others? What do you do with occupiers?

That's right. You bomb them and fight them.

There is no difference between the invasion of Genghis Khan and The Islamic Republic of Velayat Faghih!

When the Mongols invaded us, we didnt ask them to leave us by diplomacy, did we? This is the same, and the cult of Velayat Faghih is no different. 

Iran is occupied.

Free Iran from the occupying regime of Velayat e Faghih.

Mehrdad Jaan

When the Regime's Smiling Seyed GhorebehChaagh was in power, he had no real power to talk or negotiate.

He shook Israeli President's hand (Katsab, the guy from Yazd who is now a convicted rapist) at Pope's funeral but had to deny it when he got back to Iran. Also, Madeleine Albright apologized for Mosadegh coup and set up a meeting at the UN to negotiate with the Regime's Foreign Minister. The guy didn't even show up.

There were US tour companies at the time that were organizing trips to Iran for Americans. After a couple of tours and positive publicity, Basij surrounded the tourist buses and threatened to kill the American tourists so the whole thing got cancelled. And many more examples. Meanwhile, the US and the west have opened their doors to Iranian students and immigrants to pursue their dreams over here.

Let's not blame the US for everything that happens over there. This Regime is anti-west at its core and that's why I believe that the people who advocate dialogue and reform are either out to lunch or have other motives.

There comes a smart man who has figured it all....

       Are you saying there are no Mossad agents in US media?!

      Since a yes answer is utmost stupidity I take it you would say no. Meaning that you admit there are some Israeli agents in US media.

        Now, I am saying this one is as good as any! He is like a mouthpiece for Bibi. Couldn't be more obvious!

Man, You Guys Are Desperate!

If a Jewish guy were to gooz in public, you would go around claiming that the Mossad is launching clandestine chemical and biological weapon attacks.

Bret Stephans is an ex editor of Jerusalem Post!

   Need I say more?! (See the caption early on the video).

   Those of us who think Mossad agents come with James Bond 007 gadgetry and drama have seen too much Hollywood!

     Clearly Israel for long has been placing its agents in US/world media for such a day to drum up the war! Wolf Blitzer of CNN  is also an alumnus of Jerusalem post.

There is only one American guy

And that's Karim Sadjadpour who purely speaks for the benefit of the US. I believe Mr. Sadjadpour would promote a war with Iran if US would be be the beneficiary.

The other guy has only one country's interest in mind and that's Israel. There are many hidden and openly active cells of pro-Israeli in the US and the world. For the first time in US, the general public is gradually distancing themselves from these pro Israelis aka Zionist party members.

Listen to his entire argument, he makes no case for US but only Israel. Mr. Sadjudpour however has the welfare of US in mind. 

I dare say…

There are as many crazies and lunatics in America who have zero value for human lives but only greed and power as there are in Iran.

So, America now needs to go and bomb another nation in the interest of Saudi Arabia?

   Cousin Faramarz:    Unfortunately, when Iran’s Gorbehchaaph was in power and extended his arm for help, US fumbled till he was replaced by Molla Omar.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

منافع ملی کشور

در این سی سال هیچ کسی نمی توانست به اندازۀ این رژیم به منافع ملی کشور ما آسیب بزند که اینها زده اند! و تنها با سنی های منطقه که نیست به دشمنی بر خاستند مگر با شیعه های خود ایران چه رفتاری نکردند که باید بکنند!! مردم ایران هر گز از سیاستهای چنین رژیمی دفاع نخواهند کرد بلکه منتظر سرنگونی آن و روز شماری می کنند!!! اگر سران فاسد این حکومت ذره ای دلشان به حال این مردم و کشور ایران می سوزد هر چه زودتر طی یک انتخاباتی قدرت را تحویل نمایندهای مردم بدهند بدین صورت دیگر نیروهای تا دندان مسلح امپریالیسم هم جرات نمی کنند با یک ملت بیش از هفتاد میلیونی طرف بشوند و افکار جهانی نیز این اجازه را در آن صورت به آنها زیر عنوانهای مختلف نمی دهد! و گر نه دیر و زود دارد ولی هر گز سوخت و سوز نخواهد داشت!!! سردمداران این رژیم یک پایشان لب گور است ولی هنوز حاضر نیستند بعد از این همه جنایات دست از قدرت بر دارند!! من در دنیا هیچ کشوری را نمی شناسم که ذره ای دلش به حال کشور و مردم آن بسوزد تماما به دنبال منافع خودشان هستند و بس!

The American guy is just

The American guy is just fear mongering. The idea that the islamic republic is just going to start throwing nukes around while collapsing is nonsense.  I think I recall Reza Pahlavi also saying something similar.

Who is Beating the War Drum?

It seems like  Israel and neoconservatives like this rat guy who shamelessly talks about bombing innocent people, are more dangerous and unreliable. Why in the world Israel that threatens and attack it's neighbors is allowed to have Nuclear but not Iran?

All I know is...

That a good chunk of Iranians are going to have to go. Yes, the Mullahs, all of them, will have to (forcefully?) removed, some way or other, if Iranian society is going to progress.

both interviewees had some

both interviewees had some weak arguments.  sajadpour expects us to take his weak premises at face value before he makes his points on them.  for one, this is not a "simple mathematics" problem for israel as he puts it (weak premise).  nuclear arms race is more like a complex game-theoretic framework wher ambition of countries puursing nuclear capability is modeled based on level of information that all sides have, consequences of achieving the capability and costs of achieving them.  a good book on that is "repeated games with incomplete information." another weak argument by sajadpour is that he claims that "iran-iraq war caused iri's hardliners to consolidate power."  i think that one could argue that the hardliners would've consolidated power anyway.  maybe the war hindered the opposition but who is to say that hardliners wouldn't have absolute control without the war.

stephens also had weak arguments.  one, as commenter arj astutely pointed out, about the moral compass being saudi arabia, the oppressor extrodinaire and home to most of the known terrorists and the mastermind of 9/11.  two, if iri is faced with dissent at home, they will send a nuclear missile to israel.  really?  what he could've said that if iri achieves nuclear capability, then the option of military attack on iran has to come off the table.  or at least, it would amount to no more than "cheap talk."  in other words, just as having the "option" of military attack has value, having nuclear capability has value.  achieving the latter renders the former useless.

americans

better of  to go to hell  they can not go back to iran too late