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Dear Arj

I agree with your core argument as IRI having wrong priorities but do consider that options for Iran were and are limited. I am talking about current situation and not a possible if or maybe scenarios.

I do not believe that the West's problems with Iran are based on Iranian nuclear issue. I believe this has been the biggest excuse to force pressure on Iran. The pressures were before Iran took the initiatives to become a nuclear power in the region.

The issue is the location of Iran, Iran wanting to be independent, Iran looking further than its borders for strategic resources and alliances where currently West has its foot prints in the area. The human rights, nuclear, authoritarianism of Iran has nothing to do with this.

I agree that if Shah decided to stand and look beyond Iranian borders for power and influence, the West would have declared war even then. That's about where we are today. It was a matter of time before Iran became isolated from west if Iran was going to try to reach a position of power and influence that is fit for an ancient country with a powerful cultural influence in the region. Unfortunately we got IR to do it for us! Of course it could have been much better if Bakhtiar style system was in place or worse if MEK style took power.

It is what it is. Put a lot of cost of purchasing weapons, Jets, missiles, and other goods and services if Iran was to require West's assistance, and perhaps we might breakeven. Even then Iran needed to break out of the chain in order to be able to acquire technological knowhow.

Dear Arj: THis technology

Dear Arj: THis technology is already out dated by 70 years. I don't understand why the IRI did not try to get at least the latest technology in building its nuclear power plant?? 

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 Infant mortality is up

 Infant mortality is up everywhere because of incredible advancement in medical technology...What are we a bunch of uneducated basiji??

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Abarmard,

Of course the infant mortality rate is lower in Iran than 1967 (as it is in most countries in the world)!!! Do you actually expect it NOT to be after all these decades? With 32 years of oil and natural gas revenues (including some of the highest oil prices ever seen) -- are we supposed to be impressed that the IRI is ranked not even in the Top 100 among countries either in infant mortality or life expectancy. Got that? Not even in the Top 100 -- how pathetic is that?

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Answer this question for yourself: why is US higher in infant mortality rate than Cuba?

And you accuse ME of wanting to change the topic? Okay, sure.

Re raw deal

Dear Abarmard, I understand your sentiments with regards to independance and industrial/scientific progress. But unfortunatley, this overdue and soon to be oudated achievement has come at too great a price! I understand your point on the West's lack of interest in cooperation with developing nations in the fields of advanced science and technology (e.g. their run arounds with Shah's requeat for a steel plant which eventually resulted in his turn to and importing the Isfahan plant from the Soviets). I also totally agree with you that the same game would've been repeated with shah with regards to nuclear technology if he remained in power (that the West would not let him have a totally independant nuclear plant).

However, a quick cost-benefit assessment would prove that the Iranian nuc tech project was way too costly considering the benefits it may yield in the future! It has come at the expence of Iran sinking to a pariah nation status on the forign policy level and a failed isolated economy! As an energy-rich nation and a suitable corridor for energy transit, it would be in our interest to maintain an active and constructive foreign policy to demonstrate our interest in regional stability and energy security. In fact we are sitting on a gold mine, digging for dirt! Yet it woul've been much more beneficial and cost-effective to promote the passage of oil and gas ppipelines both from the Caspian to Persian Gulf and  Europe. This would have guranteed an economic boom as well as regional influence, membership in the WTO, creation of millions of jobs, steady residual income from the energy transit...

Yet, unfortunately, Khamanei and IRI have a totally different set of priorities that include in cheif, enmity with Israel and promotion of a quasi-fascist ideology both at regional and global stages! Realistically, their pursuit of nuclear technology is not due to our national interests or technological advancements. But they see it as an insurance policy, a sort of gurantee that they keep ruling with iron fist and supressing Iranians without the worry of accountability to Interantional human rights authorities by the virtue of possessing the A-bomb! A lesson they've learned from the fates of Saddam and Qaddafi!

It's about time the

It's about time the Russians delivered at least on some of their promises after years of embezzlment of IRI and billions of dollars squandered.

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What we were and what we are

In terms of growth and advancement one has to always have an indicator as whether we have grown or declined.

Amir, I was not going to answer your question, for future reference put your thinking hat on and be respectful if you want to engage in a dialogue.

I am not in support of "all" Iranian government policies, nor I would put a passing grade to its behavior in regard to social/economic problems. However I believe that positives need to be encouraged.

Unlike many countries on the list below Iran, such as Gaza, Iran had a better statistical data available since last 50 years. I do not buy the argument that many of the data from many countries such as Gaza are correct, they are not recorded. Even Egypt doesn't have established sampling data, forget about Gaza.

Take a look at this chart: //www.tradingeconomics.com/iran/mortality-rate-infant-per-1-000-live-births-wb-data.html

This shows Iran since 1967 to today. Hopefully this will answer your question.
Also this is not about supporting Iranian system, this is a technology that Iran as a nation has gained. You have tried to change the topic by arguing something beyond the scope of this page, which is not an honest attempt to deal with issue on hand.

Answer this question for yourself: why is US higher in infant mortality rate than Cuba?

To the West-residing IRI Propagandists

Before entertaining us with stories of how this Russian-built reactor represents an advance for the IRI and all for humanity, you might want to explain why such a technologically progressive regime has a worse infant mortality rate and lower life expectancy than many places much poorer than Iran , including among others Gaza!

Dear Arj

As far as I know it's not only what we got by being firm and paying penalties for ambitions, but this policies gave Iran an opening to a new technology that is extremely important and vital.

I certainly am not for getting into details and politics behind Iranian isolation and the costs imposed on Iran forcefully, but Nuclear Technology and Iran's space program are impressive advances that puts Iran in the "20th" century map while now moving forward. You have to start at some point if there are no help available. The base is now there and it's matter of taking care of details, which can be done less costly.

The high price that Iran is paying is accumulated in shorter years than if it had started those programs and technologies in the early 50's, which we all should agree would have been impossible! Also in the 70's Iran was not supposed to gain access to nuclear technology but rather similar to UAE or Saudi (if they were going to have one) to have those more as a "show".

I have no doubt that in the coming years Iran will learn and will be able to make and maintain its own nuclear power plants, and those technology transfer is worth more in the long run than one can imagine.
Similar to Missile and space program, Iran might have initially gain some knowledge and transfer of technology but today Iran is far ahead of what some claimed North Korean missile technology is. The reason is obvious since Iran enjoys having strong technical and educational institutions.

Cost was high, it is now sunk cost. I am happy it's done and operational.

mash ghasem jaan

dorost meegee doost

een akhoondhaye beevatan jaashoon tahe jahaname.....

heyf keh melat oon zammon goole een koon-na"""r ro khordand

ali yaret 

رفیق ارج ، واقعا که بد معامله ای است.

Raw deal

 300-400 mega watts at the expence of 100 billion dollars and much more in sanctions and lost opportunities! That's only enough to supply power for a small town! What a waste!

شوشتری: کشور را گرفتند، یا رژیم سلطنتی دو دستی تقدیمشون کرد، با

of course

the akhoonds and their chinese and russian rapist partners carefully 'forget' to mention that all this was the idea of shah, and he's is the one who started and financed this project- in fact it would have been operational by early 80s if these morons had not taken over our country.....

what progress! wasting billions of needed dollars and taking an extra 30 years to finish someone else's idea! 

@full capacity, Bushehr's max is half that of Karun dam @2000MW

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I guess the poem is funny but

من از اینجور چیزا زیاد سر در نمی آورم

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((((( MG )))))

I thought you have been sent to moon by the moody rudy socialist committee!!  Thank God you are still on the planet earth. 

good to see you

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گرچه بود اوضاع فنّی افتضاح/ مانعی امّا نبود از افتتاح

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