Why Iran should be attacked

According to Harvard history professor Niall Ferguson

Newsweek: It probably felt a bit like this in the months before the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel launched its hugely successful preemptive strike against Egypt and its allies. Forty-five years later, the little country that is the most easterly outpost of Western civilization has Iran in its sights. There are five reasons (I am told) why Israel should not attack Iran >>>

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Darius Kadivar

MOOSIRvaPIAZ before speaking for 'Authentic' Iranians

by Darius Kadivar on

Might as well try and brush up your Own 'Personality' with something less 'Politically correct' than your current Schizophrenic Avatar ...

 

For I'd say it lacks both Legitimacy AND Authenticity 

 

Unlike this one:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HdNBjnJ6A

 

I know where I stand My dear fellow

 

So Might as well worry about your own crooked Identity !

 

But thank you for the free advice !

 

Like Toilet Paper I'm sure it can always prove handy ! 

 

;0)


 


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Darius Kadivar

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

Sucking up to western personalities will not get you anywhere and get Iran free. 

 

I know it might feel like the right thing sucking up to neocons who consider middle-easterners as "the other" lesser human beings but it wont get you a free Iran.  


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

More responses

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Dear Ala,

First I want to be clear my jab at Professors did not include you. Next I don't believe that 40% of Western economy is military prove it to me. From what I know most of it is consumer driven. Peace is very profitable specially with Iran. This "accepted" idea of war for profit is very popular with the left. But even if it is true the people pushing for war are wrong. There is more profit waiting to be made from peace. 

Dear Mehrdad,

I read Bahmani and he makes some sense. Note: neither of us said there should be war.  Just that if there is war then USA needs to go all the way. You may be reading "go to war". I read "don't go to war unless you are ready". USA is not ready and therefore should not go to war. In fact they should as before stand up to Israel and prevent it from attack. Any attack on IRI will be a delicate matter. Requiring full understanding of what they are getting into.

This is a very strong argument against haphazard attacks on IRI. A well thought out strategy involving Iranians with some backing is the right way. 

Yes IRI must go but it is not going with a half baked air attack.


alx1711

Another red neck with lots

by alx1711 on

Another red neck with lots of appetite for comic books and propaganda.


long live Iran

Look at what Rajavi`s slaves are doing in IRAN (BBC News)

by long live Iran on

Shame on Rajavie`s slave! They are not only Rajavi`s slave but also Israel `s slave against IRANIAN. Shame on them.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/world/2012/02/120210_u06_mek_musad_terror.shtml


Bavafa

And you guys are arguing about what this guy says? --- LOL

by Bavafa on

He has obviously  been smoking some good stuff, so I am not sure his spew is worth arguing about.

 Though Bahmani reviles more and more about his geniusness.  I am surprise he has not been discovered by Faux news yet.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


Mohammad Ala

Peace is not profitable for Arm Industry.

by Mohammad Ala on

On daily basis, we get similar non-sense that Israel wants to attack Iran and the USA will get involved.  If the USA gets involved, Iranians who advocate USA involvement must come to Iran either to defend it or attack it.  They cannot hide by using bogus names while asking personal questions.

Iranians inside of Iran do not want any war.  Iran is surrounded by thieves who are robbing neighboring countries in day light (and night light too).   Iranians are tired of war and do not underestimate their love for their country.   Neo-cons will be surprised.

Peace is NOT profitable for Arm Industry (which more than 40% of Western economy depends on it), so some sort of war will take place.  Innocent people’s death will be tragic on both sides.. 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

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by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Sheila - you have no idea what you are talking about sorry! Iran is very able to run on brain power. Instead of broad brush generalizations, learn about the nations. Get what makes them act before posting.

Benyamin - you are right on all accounts. Israel with Bibi is wacko. Bush and Obama both have put the breaks on them before and will do it again. America knows what is good for it and acts based on that. Many Israeli also support USA over nuts.

Regarding war: it is not a matter of peace loving or not. It is a matter of defined goals. What is the purpose of the action. Is it to wound the IRI thus angering it. Or weaken and remove it? Israeli attack will do the former; Obama the latter.


Sheila K

@Bruce

by Sheila K on

Japan and Germany not to be compared with MiddEast. Their economy runs based on the use of "brain power" Iran's economy runs on god's curse called "oil" So in essence in Iran brain power is not required to run the economy where as Japan and Germany will die otherwise.

As for occupying and nation building, you are assuming that the intent of US is to bring democracy and some kind of a new gov't structure as she did with Germay and Japan. NOT! 

 


Onlyiran

I would like to invite all peace lovers, human rights activists,

by Onlyiran on

anti-war activists, "justice for all" advocates, humanists and other assorted IRI supporting "peace, sunshine and love" pretenders to kindly visit this thread:

 

http://iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/syria-massacre-news-open-thread

 

and express their outrage at the child murdering Assad regime's massacre of defenseless women and children, just like they were so eager to do when it came to the Gaza flotilla incident two years ago.

PS- no zionist conspiracy theories please.  It's not going to do any good for the dead women and children. 


G. Rahmanian

I thought I was alone!

by G. Rahmanian on

I thought I was the only one not comprehending the gibberish on this site by regime's apologists!


Disenchanted

Lets see ...

by Disenchanted on

Among the opposition leaders:
  •    - Reza Pahlavi 
  •    - Green Movement
  •    - Jebhe Melli
  •    - Leftsit groups
Have explicitly expressed opposition to military aggression against Iran. So those who are advocating a military attack on Iran, would you kindly tell us what is your affiliation if any? Don't you think your advocacy for violance would pin you against majority of Iranians be it pro regime or opposing groups?

Benyamin

This is nothing but a crock!

by Benyamin on

Israel has been warned by the Americans through different channeles of attacking unilatterally to Iran! Should they(Israelies) attack Iran American may have to interfere with them! because the problem is not just Israelies attacking alone but they have to fly over few "ARABIC" countries which USA is responsible for their air defence.

If Israel goes through those countries with no problem that means USA has violated its responsiblitiy with those "ARABIC" countries one of them is Saudi Arabia. If Saudi Arabia let that happen, it means the Jews have used the Holy land of islamic world to attack Iran which that alone will create problems for Sadies and their pipe lines will pop one after the other!!!!

I believe the USA quietly will ask Israelies to go back to their shelters or the USAF will shut them down! I know it is ironic but they will have to there is not much else they can do!


G. Rahmanian

...

by G. Rahmanian on

Worried about your paycheck, already?


Disenchanted

Essayist wanna be!

by Disenchanted on

         Curb your enthusiasm and the nonesense that goes with it on this site! 

G. Rahmanian

Opportunists & War!

by G. Rahmanian on

Opportunists whose primary objective has been opposing every policy of the opposition forces in diaspora and inside Iran must be exposed!

For decades such groups have said nothing in the way of criticizing the atrocities of the regime against Iranians.

They have never condemned IR's massacres of Iranians.

They have never voiced their outrage regarding IR's death squads assassinating Iranians both inside Iran or in diaspora.

They have ignored regime's acts of terrorism the world over.

Not even once have they called for regime change.

They have supported IR's leaders' warmongering rhetoric and activities which are essentially aimed at provoking yet another war.

And now, using their "anti-war" posturing, the same individuals and groups shamelessly pretend to be worried about Iran and Iranians.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Bahmani where have you been the last 33 years??????????

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

The USA wants islam in government.  Islam is not the problem at all, its the desire & support for them to be in government, by the USA that is the issue.  The USA treats all iranians a middle easterners the same way, as nowkars, it only wants disposable nowkars, not a solution for the people.  Though it is Africanization, yes Americans are deeply racist, but the reason goes further, the reason they use racist policies is due to the findings of the club of rome, neither that nor US direction has changed since, pipe dreams are good for niave idealists, appreciation of why the US plays a racist policy for Iran is entirely missing in your post.

If you have been living in the rapists nest, the USA, one could clearly see why you filtered out completely a desire to know why the USA acts like it does. Sadly too many are like you, this causes them to blame RP II for the wests policies lead by the USA on Iran. They become arm chair critics instead of "enlighteners of Iranians" or "defenders of Freedom" for Iranians.


Disenchanted

To all the callous & clueless "analysts" advocating war...

by Disenchanted on

....would you kindly attach an estimate as to the number of the death and casulties your "precise analysis" would entail?! 
Many thanks. Oh by the way I am looking for your newsletter in mail! ;-)

Darius Kadivar

MOOSIRvaPIAZ Sorry But Could you please Translate ? ;0)

by Darius Kadivar on

I'm sorry but I don't understand your Bacheh Akhound Gibberish ... 

 

The biggest propaganda spectacle on Syria ever by MOOSIRvaPIAZ

 

Could you please Translate ?

 

 

LOST IN TRANSLATION: NIAC Welcomes Hamid Dabashi on Advisory Board

 

 


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Lol what this guys says is No Surprise.... IF ONLY

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

After 33 years of watching Iranians act as Patsys, manufactured incident to incident, by the empire of militarization and propaganda.... The pathetic responses here are no Surprise either.  Does this remedy by the man who is a Professor at Harvard and gets his position only with the approval of US Senators Surprise anyone?????  This is not a personal attack against anyone person, consider it a community observation. 

If only some of the Dear Dunces here knew, the USA is not after Democratic Change in Iran, this option has never, will never be on the table for the USA

If only some of the Dear Numbskulls here knew that the USA loves Islam in power/in government in Iran oppressing the people and being extremist.

If only some of the Dear blockheads here knew, the reason the USA loves the mullahs in power is to suppress Irans economy, education and development, through a colonial process that worked its evil on both India and Africa, the process used on Iran being Africanization.

If only the Dear ignoramuses here knew why the USA hates the pahlavi family and will do everything in its power to oppose the Iranian Monarchy for as long as the USA has a breath in its body.  Hmm think back over all the pahlavis accomplishments which were fought for tooth and nail against US opposition for iranian Independence, Peace, Progress & Human Rights.

If only our simpletons could take some time out of their day and read the Shahnameh and realize how Iran is made up and what Iranian culture is and how great and uniquely Iranian it is incomparison to Greek, US, European, Japanese Culture and why islam is not Iranian Culture at all.

A Good place for ninnys to start to understand US Policy for Iran, would have to be reading the findings of the club of rome and the book clash of civilization, which is being orchestrated to Africanize one region in particular based on the economc findings of the club of rome for the limits to growth in the developed world. Then Iranians wouldn't be seen by true intellectuals as nincompoops, who base their thoughts on information they get from antellectuals on the main stream media, films and books, whose role it is and has always been to serve the most powerful interests in society.  That would be the end of criticizing the pahlavi's and the begining of admring RP II as well as the Begining of Enlightenment for all Iran.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Bahmani is in the right track

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Giving slogans; yelling and jumping ain't gonna help anyone. A military attack must be along the lines that Bahmani said or it will fail. The nuclear stuff is crap and bull. There is no nuclear danger it is made up sh**.

War is costly and Israel is not able to get it done. America must decide whether to pay the price or not. If not the military option is off the table and don't bother going there. Get it in the heads of Israel and professor dumb f***uson.

There is however a third options. It was used in Nicaragua; Chile and Iran. You destabilize the regime economically. Then push it over with internal power. It is the approach Obama is using. The professor is too stupid to realize.


G. Rahmanian

IR warmongers must go!

by G. Rahmanian on

In the past 33 years, the majority of Iranians have suffered and sacrificed a lot.

If the ruling Mullahs and the goons who go along with them want war with the rest of the world, they should go ahead and have it. But no at the expense of the people of Iran.

Like the legendary Islam's saints, they too can wage wars. They and their families can go to wherever they like and fight against whatever enemies they have. They should simply leave poor Iranians alone.


bahmani

Attack must be Total not Surgical

by bahmani on

The US should never attack another country unless they want to utterly destroy the entire system in place there and occupy it, and then run it with 12 years of a military governor, and then install a variation of the US constitution, and then slowly hand over control back to natives of good standing and moral character.

Or, essentially what they did in Germany and Japan after WWII. As the Marshall Plan directed. And funded.

If you are advocating a military solution, Iran deserves no more, and certainly no less.

Were the US to do to Iran what it did to Germany and Japan (short of Nagasaki and Hiroshima of course), I am positive, Iran would be at or better than Germany or Japan today. Primarily because we have Oil.

Other than this, the only other option is to use diplomacy, the kind where you grudgingly accept the alternative governance, and simply do business.

Just Like the US does with China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia. In these examples, the US doesn't quite appreciate nor accept their choice in government, but lets them live that way and does not interfere, and just does business with them, hoping they will change on their own, one day.

These are the ONLY 2 options that have EVER succeeded.

There is no third OTHER way, there is no secret solution not invented yet, that's it!

Anything else is unproven, and in fact more often has proven to fail, than succeed.

Iraq failed because the US did not fully occupy it, did not run it for 12 years under strict US military rule, did not put the US constitution in place and did not hand it over to reasonable natives with high moral character.

In Iraq, the US (I mean Condi Rice) allowed retards to create a fucked up Islamic constitution whose first 5 paragraphs match verbatim Iran's. Then they left too soon, and did not totally destroy the vestiges of the previous system, and put a criminally corrupt idiot in charge. Good luck with that. Oh wait, Iraq has already gone to shit. Never mind. Better tell the troops not to put away their kit just yet. You may not be going home after all.

In Afghanistan, the US did not totally occupy it, did not run it for 12 years, and like Iraq, let them copy Iran's constitution too, instead of giving them the US one. Then they put Karzai in place, and you know, pretty much I'm done with Afghanistan, after saying that.

Karzai is the perfect example of bowing before the US, and giving them the finger as soon as their back is turned. You can see it in his face.

So we have a simple, easy to understand, easy to implement, repeated proven record of success.

The results? Germany and Japan. 2 former enemies, now staunch allies.

One (Nazis) a former racist country with a philosophy and belief in world domination by force.

The other (Japan) a country run by fierce ethnic tribal warlord traditions (Shogun) and an utter hatred of any and all outsiders.

Sound familiar?

Pick your method, ANY method, but there are only 2 ways that have ever worked. And now, any one of these would work with Iran too. If you are truly committed to creating the next Germany or Japan.

Unfortunately, I fear that the Iranian skin tone is the same shade as Iraq and Afghanistan. And apparently that's just too brown for some. Even if it is just to do the right thing.

To read more bahmani posts visit: http://brucebahmani.blogspot.com/


G. Rahmanian

IR & Nuclear Bombs!

by G. Rahmanian on

IR's desire to acquire nuclear bombs is for real and is nothing new. 

For the west to use that against the mullahs is only natural. 

For Americans it is not in their interest to allow IR to acquire nuclear weapons while constantly threatening other states.

It isn't the Neocons alone who are talking about a possible war with Iran. When Obama says "all options" he is including a military attack.

Also, it was none other than Hillary Clinton who talked about "obliterating" Iran.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Israelis beg Netanyahu to

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

Israelis beg Netanyahu to hold off Iran attack till after Madonna show

http://www.haaretz.com/culture/arts-leisure/israel...


Onlyiran

It's all Western media and Zionists' fault

by Onlyiran on

The IRI never does anything wrong and it should never be blamed for anything!  It's a constant victim of vast conspiracies by everyone on the planet:

 

http://iranian.com/main/blog/onlyiran/iri-professional-victim


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

In Whose Interest is

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I agree that nations must work for their own interest. But I do not agree it helps Israel to attack Iran. 

For one thing they do not have the power to inflict a strong blow. It will just make them angry and Israel less popular than it is now. 

The one nation able to do anything is America. Which will get the blame for it no matter what. Therefore you do nothing or have America go for a regime change. Any in between actions is more damaging than nothing. Obama knows what he is doing and is in control. I wish idiots like Ferguson would shut up. Let the adults do their work and sit down. Based on observing big name professor in foreign policy I ask: Why is having a pea sized brain a requirement for being a professor?


G. Rahmanian

What is to be done?

by G. Rahmanian on

Brits and Americans don't care about Iranians? Do they only care about their own interests? Really? Since when? That must be something new.

Who do IR leaders care about most? Do they care about Iran and Iranians? Absolutely not.

What do the great majority of Iranians inside Iran and in diaspora want? Of corse, not the current regime.

What should Iranians who care about their country do?


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Stop making excuses for warmongers Darius

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

Stop being politically correct!

Ferguson is an arch neocon who supported Iraq war and wants Iran to be next.

I love how you brandish anti-war people as non-experts.

I cant blame you, many decades of exile from heartland makes people go crazy and support crazy ideas. It almost makes neocon war mongering sound sane!


Onlyiran

I don't understand what the Admin does

by Onlyiran on

I posted this video in the news section two days ago:

http://iranian.com/main/news/2012/02/07/why-arguments-against-israeli-attack-iran-are-bad

It wasn't even featured on the front page.  Now it's a featured video on top of the page under "mehdadm."  Shouldn't the person who posts an item first get credit for it? 


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