Pictory

نخیر این قاسم نمی‌ذاره ما دو کلمه حرف بزنیم

بابا جون شما چرا خودتو نخود هر آشی میکنی‌. شما وقتی‌ وارد نیستی‌ چرا نشون  میدی سواد و مطالعه نداری؟ قبل از ابقلاب که رفاه عمومی‌ همه داشتند. کارت بیمه‌ طبی بهت نرسید. اگه دانشگاه ابرقو و نارمک هم دانشگاه باشه پس احمدی نژاد هم پرفسور ترانسپورت هستش! فقط خوشت اومده که تو غیاث آباد دانشگاه درست شده؟  استقلال هم که بود. ما به کشورای دیگه وام می‌دادیم فقط یا آزادی افراطی نداشتیم که اونم بدرد تو نمیخورد. همین!  راستی‌ این کتاب "گرمشی" رو تو از قفسه کتابا برداشتی؟ 

And That "Single Break,"

And That "Single Break's" arrival has been postponed thanks to the mostly "uninformed" Iranians who would rather have the mullahs ruling Iran than building a coalition of the opposition forces for the fear they may not get the upper hand, next time around!

Jirandoust:

That, too was partly forced on average Iranians by the revolution and it is partly thanks to the Internet. Average people living in the most advanced countries of the world don't seem to think they need such information. Living one's life does not necessitate possessing political knowledge. What percentage of Americans discuss politics daily when times are good and they're busy making money? What percentage of Americans are interested in and informed about politics? Do they really need politics the way Iranians are involved in it? And what percentage of Iranians are involved in informed politics? Most Iranians I know don't spend their time debating the status quo. They have too many problems to deal with on a daily basis that occupies their time. Politics is nowhere to be found among them.

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I didn't mean to give credit for development to IR, most of these development plans were already on the paper before 1979, ready to be implemented, but were interrupted by revolution and war.

Yet no matter how we account for this growth there has been development. For instance in the case of higher education, now we have college campuses in places which they never had before, and the type of social space and all that such social spaces entails, is created throughout the country. Compared to shah IR has to monitor and control many many more social spaces. IR has been attempting to contain and control such spaces, but even after all their planings their control remains very fragile.

A single break or the briefest opening of the political scene could rapidly change the current circumstances.

GR: Not to mention the

GR: Not to mention the opportunity cost which is in the billions and not to mention the quality of education in Iran is nothing to brag about except in engineering, which has nothing to do with IRI.

Also, The population in 1979 was about 35 million as opposed to 75 million. Between 10 to 15 percent of the population are Basiji with a regressive mentality though they attend universities. Attending universities in Iran unfortunately does not produce enlightened and progressive citizens. In some cases, it has the opposite effect of making them even more radicalized and more backward.  

 A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

MG!

Turkey, specifically, was the country I had in mind. And the cause fir the higher number of educated Iranians, as I have stated clearly, was not the "hijacked" revolution, either. 

Eighties brought lots of changes worldwide. And when the whole world was moving forward, the backward mullahs with their pre-historic ideology were trying to take Iran back to 1400 years ago. 

For anyone to claim there are more educated Iranians today thanks to the revolution, is missing the whole point of what progress means and how the world has changed.

We still have mullahs running the country and a whole group of technocrats/middle class, as you mentioned yesterday, who still believe in reforming the current status quo. 

We have people who have been living in democracies for decades, but have no clue what democracy is. I'm not talking, about regime's supporters who hypocritically say Iranians are not ready for democracy. 

So, any academic progress that was made was not thanks to the revolution, but thanks to people and times. Times have changed, many countries have moved forward, but Iran is still a backward country, thanks to the mullahs and their goons.

The forced exile of Iranians is the only thing that can be attributed to the revolution. If anything good has come out of that, regime and the revolution must not get the credit for it.

BTW, the Turks were invited to rebuild Germany. Most Iranians living in exile imposed themselves on the countries where they reside.  

استقلال، آزادی، رفاه اجتماعی

Independence, Liberty, Social Welfare. These were the three main demands of the 1979 Revolution, which after more than three decades still remain unfulfilled.

How the last portion of these demands was turned into IR, requires a certain close reading of the history between August of 1978 to February of 1979. Needless to say such informed reading of history remains beyond the reach of any ideologic intrepretation; ultra-nationalist or otherwise.

Last note for GR; a simple comparsion between number of University students in '79 and now. Back then it was only about thirty some thousans, give or take a few. Today its around a quarter of a million. And just imagine how all of this has played out in the provinces where they've never had institutions of higher education before.

Souri Khanom

Thanks for your comment! I am glad that some fellow Iraninas on this site such as yourself are still here. Those who are willing to look past their noses and look at Iran's 1979 Revolution, as a historical event that it was and analyze it in such context, rather than get bogged down by some irrelevant details.

My comments on education were not to count the number of universities or the female students percentile vs. male students or which country in the region has more schools, etc., etc... I used the word education in the context of "being informed" not the classical attending schools or universities. I believe the Farsi word for it is "Agahei-e-Siasee". Something that people gain when they go through a revolution. Now to that add 32 years war and uprising and so many other ups and downs, Iranians have realy obtained their MS if not PHD in that field.They have truly gone through that proverbial "babtism by fire". Can we honestly say that Egyptian peole today are the same as they were two years ago?

Now, watch and see how people go off on a tangent and by end of the day comments will be on anything but the original story which was the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

Iran and Iranians

Majority of Iranians are nothing but a whole bunch of barberic animals that are stuck in the middle ages!!! Any form of democracy is beyond them . What you saw in 2009 coming to the streets were a small educated minority .  It takes generations of education before you can implement full democracy in Iran, till then they deserve nothing better khamenei , sepah and filthy basij!  

voluntary amnesia of the sibilovich ommaties

What part of the slogan for "esteghlal, azadi ,Jomhoury Eslami " these genious intelectuals didn't understand I wonder. The ISLAMIC revolution & yes it was definitly an ISLAMIC revolution by all accounts was instigated, funded, organized & executed by Arabo-ommaties with direct assistance of the Tudeh type chappollahis, mossadeghollahis & the humanist utopian dreamers whom i call sonnati Hafezollahis. & yes dumb fuckin kids like me. But I, the dumb fuckin kid learned of my mistake & yet these dumb fuckin antelect still talkin clueless crap about an act of treason against one's own country, her future & her past & kiaani heritage .

& what part of this one you didn't understand;

HOKUMATEH ALI RAA BAR GHARAR MIKONIM MAA

ADL HAMIN AST, INN CHENIN AST, MARG BAR IN SHAH KHAEN

Cheers!!!

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For the illiterate who knows who he is and thinks all the Left are the same. FYI the Revolutionary movement in Kurdestan never had any illusions about IR since day one. And after 33 years of struggle against IR they enjoy the most widespread support and respect of millions of people. People who participated in two General Strikes against IR. Needless to say the revolutionary movement in Kurdestan is not the only movement enjoying such popular wide-spread support and respect throughout Iran.You are simply ignorant of any and all active, existing Left formations in Iran, from workers, to students to womens,...

Khomiein as a true dinosaur that he was always thought of world in terms of 1940. It was all Reza khan, and Chuchill and Stalin. Some on this site, ahm, you know who you are; are also stuck in the 1940. All the Left is only Tudeh, it's beyond thier ken how todays Left exists and flourishes in Iran. A dinosaur is a dinosaur, islamophile or otherwise.

آقا آنگلو، با حرف شما موافق بودم...

اگه  به جای "چپی‌" میگفتید  "تودهی وطن فروش بی‌ ناموس، جاسوس روس، نوکر ولی‌ فقیه" (البته این فقط یک مختصر  القاب برای رهبران  حزب توده بود که سر شما و بقیه خوانندگان محترم  درد نیاد.)

Thank you. Absolutely correct

Thank you. Absolutely correct

What Iran would be, if people of our country would be patient

Shah has his own problems without any doubt. But how can anyone trust Mullah to give the country to them. I always tell people, we should not blame average people for this mess. I blame so call intellectual for Iranian revolution. How did the trust bunch of morons. Anyone whom passed a single finance class must know, in country with millions cannot give away money or free electricty or free land or free anything.

The sad part was our so call economist at the time, not only declined to stand against it, they support it.

When idiot mullah claimed the picture of Khomeini is on Moon. Department of Physic of University of Tehran try to come up with reasons on how that possible.

 So on and on!

Ladies and Gentelmen,

Iranians brought Mullah. People are keeping them today.

Someone asked me today, how do you consider a country has problems. I told her, you should follow migration. From 1970-1978, very few Iranians migrated to US. From 1979 to today 10% of population are gone!

IRI can claim, they are making Iran heavon and best place. But at the end of the day, Number speaks for itself.

اگه این قاسم وسط حرف بزرگترا نپره ...

میخواستم بگم این طفلک چپیا بد جوری خودشونو گیر انداختن! از یه طرف میخوان بگن انقلاب مردمی بود از طرف دیگه می‌‌بینن که مردم بهشون گفتند: بیلاخ! واسه این که نگن ما غلط کردیم میگن تقصیر شاه بود که ما رفتیم توی تنبون امام قایم شدیم!!! به این میگن "عذر بدتر از گناه 

A sad and painful reminder of 1979 mass suicide of Iranians!

One wonders how many of those chanting death to this and death to that mob did actually survive the coming days, months, years, and decades of misery, pain, and blood shed of their ill-doings!

More specifically:

1) How many of them are 6 feet under due to natural causes but due to lack of better life and better health care that was promised but never delivered by the IRR regime?

2) How may of them are 6 feet under due to execution, hanging, killing, etc. by the firing squads of the IRR regime?

3) How many of them are 6 feet under due to the Iran-Iraq war instigated and caused by the IRR regime?

4) How  of them are 6 feet under due to snake eating snake mentality of the IRR regime?

5) How many of them are still alive but in poor health and living conditions due to the misdeeds and misgivings of the IRR regime?

6)....

What a waste of energy! If only all that energy behind that anger was properly channeled for a better cause!?

Towards a Historical Archeology of 1979 Revolution

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GR, Iran historically has had a higher rates of Higher Education than most neighboring counties, maybe except Turkey. Lets also recall that during the 80's Iraq had the highest rates of PH.D. graduates in industrial sciences, maybe only comparable to S.Korea.

Also keep in mind that right now you have more German speaking Turks in the world than population of many nations. And it's not just how millions of Turks have been assimilated in Europe, but the entire globalization process and its consequences for the region. Turkish Universities have great philosophy programs, whereas such programs are non-exsiting in Iran, for obvious reasons.

The book below also has a good part of the history of higher education in modern Iran:

//bahai-library.com/walker_mottahedeh_mantle_...

"Jirandoost": I am sure that you are not an utter simpleton...

despite what you say.

the "leadership falling into the wrong hand", is a very tudehi kind of argument. The Revolution was defeated by a combined counter revolutionary collaboration force of worst elements of the islamist Fascism (VF/Hojjatieh), CIA/MI6 and of course the traitors and vatan foroosh leadership of the Tudeh party.

Iranians being more educated is no credit to Islamist regime. The whole world is becoming more educated. Consider this: How much more educated Iranian people would have been if the revolution had succeded and the counter revolution of Tudeh/VF had failed. And remember the only world class Iranian universities (Tehran and Sharif) were both build during Pahlavis. Sadly the researchers at these universities can not compete at world arena due to Islamist regime's lust for nuclear bombs (which BTW, I am almost certain that Iran would have had nuclear energy with all bells and whistles with Shah pahlavi by now, with full blessing of the world community)

Irandoost, you really need to widen your horizons,  learn and read a bit.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

AO jaan it would be very hard to imagine 34 years ago, but the

reality remains that initially Iranian had no inclination towards either an Islamic Republic per se, or Khomeini as a permenant leader. You're really being forgetful of the show he put on under that apple tree in France. Just compare what he said there, and what he said as soon as he made his very first speech in Iran, at Behesht Zahra. Very different staements. And it's not just how he Khomiein lied and manipulated his way to power, it's also about he was practically pushed into the spot light. First nationally by that article in ettelaat, and then by moving him from Iraq to France. And it wasn't jusy how he was pushed to become the leader, recall Guadalope Conference. The only existing social networks in the country were basically reduced to religious cites; Hossanieh, Mahdieh, Masjid, Tekieh, practically all other independent social isntiitutions were crushed or under strict supervisiona and control.

Now put together all these three factors;

khomieni's personal treachery,

the institutional support behind khomeini, from powers outside and inside Iran,

the sociological setting suiteable for a religious culture

And all you could find to 'balme' is Iranian people? what gives?

Credit Given To The Wrong "Cause!"

"Granted, the leadership fell into the wrong hands. But as the result of 79 revolution Iranians are more educated and informed than any other time in their history."

Comparatively, Iranians have always been more politically literate than almost all other neighboring nations.

Also look at the progress the world has made in the last three decades and compare that to how slow Iran has been in catching up. 

As for academic literacy, the rise in the number of students, in general, and the number of female students, in particular, going to colleges is not Iran-specific. It is a worldwide trend! We see that trend in the poorest and the most advanced countries. 

Let's not forget the revolutionary role the Internet has played! 

The devolution did not fall into the "wrong hands"

That's a misconception.  Iranians wanted khomeini and acttively pursued him.  They demonstrated in the millions for months holding up Khomeini's pictures.  Iranians are religious fanatics--deep down inside, even the "progressive" ones--and worship the grounds where every singled turbaned olaghs walks on--literally.  Have you ever seen "ghadamghah" in Shiraz?   Anyway, Iranians wanted Khomeini because he was an akhoond.  They loved him, and wanted him, when they collectively saw his picture on the moon.  And they finally got him.  

Noosh-e-jaan.

JIrandoust I presume you are referring to yourself

آب و برق و مسکن مجانی کار خودش کرد

kind of agree with jiran... but the price was too damn high!

by the way, Iranian were into education prior to revolution!

and informed, yes they are and they should, otherwise they are fu¤% for another century ....

I need that "like"button, again (100 times)

I loved the comment by jirandoust, 100 times. All which is need to be said about Iranians and the revolution, has been said in this short comment.

Bravo!

Dokhtarak meegeh

chetor? Harf e hesaab, javaab nadaareh?

On how shah handed Iran to Mullahs on a silver platter, in Four

Steps.

Or rather a Persian Tragedy-Comedy in Four Acts:

Act I) SAVAK working hand in gloves with Hojatieh, keep an eye on anything that moves, except all Hossainehs, Mahdies, Masjid, Tekiehs, Sepah Mazhab!,...

Act II) Starting a single-party system, initiating the process of delegitimization of the state.

ACT III) Making Khomeini an overnight national star by publishing an article attacking him by name, in Ettelat.

ACT IV) Coming to national televison and professing that he had 'heard' the sound of the people's revolution. WTF was he thinking? He just says I'm sorry, and everyone forgets everything? All of this after 17th of Shahrivar, when blood was already spilled.

Exeunt shah.

The End.

Historical Context

A revolution needs to be looked at in its historical context. It is short sighted to look at Iranian revolution 30 years later and expect miracle. It is even more short sighted to blame or dismiss a generation whom through their revolution and sacrifice, their only intention was to get rid of a dictatorship in the hope of a better future for Iran.

Granted, the leadership fell into the wrong hands. But as the result of 79 revolution Iranians are more educated and informed than any other time in their history. The next regime will not be able to get away with things like this one has. Democracy for Iran is not too far in the distant future!

What a bunch of morons Iranians are

they poured onto the streets like crazed monkeys to get rid of the Shah and destroy the most progressive Muslim nation in terms of women's rights, just so that 32 years later they beg a murderous regime to give women the right to not automatically lose  cutody of their children in divorce and for their testimony to count as much as a man's. 

//we-change.org/english/

Iranians are a bunch of hysterical, backward religious fanatics.   They really deserve the IR.  Shah was too progressive for these troglodytes.   

شما بسیار بی جا

یا در زبان کوچه و بازار : "تو .. خوردی که گفتی، همراه با جد و آباد ...   ...".
"بفرما" و "بنشین" و "بتمرگ" هر سه تا یک معنی داره. 
من هیچ حرفی با انگلی فعله ندارم. احترامت دست خودت باشه، پسرک/دخترک حوا ست جمع باشه و از من پرهیز کن.
این تذکر محترمانه و دوستانه بود، مواظب لحنت باش .