Amir Parviz for secular monarchy

Hezbollahi is what we call

Hezbollahi is what we call them in Persian. Now if you go to Jersalem Post or Daily Telegraph or Al-Jazeera, where they have an open foum using disqus, then you will find yourselves arguing this point. So to the Jewish or right wing Christian or Arab, "I want to bomb" person, you need to explain Hezbollah Party's international agenda. So I always say Hezbollah Party in Iran or in Lebanon etc etc. That then makes it very clear that they can bomb Lebanon instead. And finally the biggest culprits in all this are Iranian reporters in AP Reuters AFP Bloomberg. As you know I have created a group at WSJ for all this and I tweet on it.

Ali Mostofi

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mammad what would you call xyz

vildemouse any ideas/ suggestions?

I was thinking the same thing about lebanon although that's IRI

Got to think about it.

Taliban are fundamentalist sunni's in power in Afganistan

xyz are fundamentalist shia in power in Iran

Nazi's were radical nationalist socialists in power in Germany

what is xyz and why hasn't anyone acknowledged this point!

America loves xyz so much is has protected and defended their freedom in the press so far as its hard to think what xyz is. 

amirparviz Jan

I am very proud of what you are suggesting and what Ali is doing. It is so much better than people who rant but do nothing. I particularly approve of taking out Iran. However I think the name could use some thinking and revision.

Hezbollah automatically invokes Lebanon so it may confuse people.We need a word without Iran but unique. Like "Shia Islamic Radicals" or something of that nature. What do you think about it.

Ali We need to encourage all to use those exact words.

Taliban acknowledges it is Taliban

Should we call it just "Hezbollah Party", or "Hezbollah Party of Islam"

Through the vetting process to be electable in IRI to say Hezbollah Party of Islam is correct because they feel no remorse for being supporters of Hezbollah.

So From now on when reffering to the IRI, its "Hezbollah Party of Islam"

"Hezbollah Party of Islam" has taken Iran Hostage.

Take out all mention of Iran is key, so "hezbollah party of Islam in Iran" is not necessary 

Ali Jan

Thanks for the suggestion of course the best thing was the demonstrations. It proved that people of Iran are not behind IRI. On the other hand there are the Neocon types who want to make it appear Iranians support IRI.

So they get their mouth pieces with fake "polls". Anyway regarding oil prices I think you give too much power to America. No one has that kind of power. Market forces and technology will get the last word. It always did and alwasy will.

VPK: Oil The price of oil

VPK: Oil
The price of oil will be kept high for all and US military will be around because the Ayatollahs' threats. Low oil prices and other sources are not happening right now. Let's be practical. Now if there is any solution for Iran, it is to have people refer to Iran Hezbollah Party for all the mess. As it is, the people of Iran are equated with Hezbollahis misdeeds. I suggest you look out for any reports in the press that are abusing the name of Iran and correct them. The world needs to unanimously refer to the Hezbollah Party of Iran responsible for horrible policies and not Iran, just like the Taliban is singled out as distinct from Afghans. So one day the UN will decree that The Hezbollah Party of Iran are like the Taliban in Afghanistan and they need to be confronted. Once the world realises that the people of Iran like Afghanistan need help then we will be free.

Ali Mostofi

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Ali: China

Right I see. The point I am making is cheap oil is going to matter less all the time.  With their reason gone they will not need to isolate Iran. That is the argument I am making. Do you see what I mean now. 

VPK: China I just think that

VPK: China

I just think that China is a proxy for US manufacturers such as Apple and Wal-Mart. I really don't mind but I do when they have used the Hezbollahis to isolate Iran to get cheap oil.

Ali Mostofi

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Ali

Which argument do you mean? I have several arguments here. Please tell me which ones you disagree with.

• Renewable are taking over oil is a reality. That argument has not failed at all.
• China is dependent on USA and vice versa. Right now that is. In time China is moving to expand and diversify so do you disagree.
• Multi Nationals are in control of USA directly. But their influence on China is minimal. Right now they need each other. In the future they may not. Speically when China gets other markets it will not need them.

By the way thank you and Amirparviz for a nice civil discussion. Nice to have one without insults and personal attacks on IC :-) It it a lot more rewarding and we may all learn from each other and other poster.

Well VPK your argument fails

Well VPK your argument fails if you consider that there is nothing in China outside the industrial zones. That is America not China. The oil from Iran goes to US interests.

Ali Mostofi

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Ali

USA will not tell its companies anything because of the election system. Politicians in USA own big to their donors. Therefore they won't cross the donors. The donors are the company owners who benefit from cheap labor.

Besides if USA were to get China mad they might just dump the treasuries. Which means dollar will crash. Right now that will ruin China itself because it needs American market. But just to be on the safe side China wants other markets.

That was my point about Iran and many other places. China does not want to be at the mercy of the USA. They are working fast and furious to be independent. In energy and have plenty of other markets. All of which form the basis of my analysis.

Thank you to both of you

Thank you to both of you for a great discussion. 

Ali Mostofi

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Ali I see what you say about china, you have a point

and for many other reasons, but lets just wait and see, I think if the USA chooses to go after russia hard, then china will truly climb up in the long run.  However, china is really no threat to the USA for a long while.  Unlike the EU and Russia.

This issue has so many sides to it,

I agree with VPK that as powerful as USA is in its ability to control others, it being the reserve currency for one, it can't stop its own decline due to bank collapses, it can only screw others over, russia by dropping oil prices and supporting muslim fanatics in its backyard, china by moving multinationals to india and pushing oil prices to $150 for just 1 year, the EU is the only one it has difficulty with, it has no way of knocking them down hard, the EU 17 used to be 64% of US GDP in 2000, now in 2011, EU is 104% of US GDP, 4% greater so due to strong Euro it has taken over economically. 

The thing is by 2020 EU will most likely be 140% of US GDP so USA is definetly declining, the printing of money is giving the USA a weaker dollar in the next 2 years, not good.  The Socialist EU's can knock America's lights out in 10 years time economically, there in lies the problem for USA.

VPK: Slave

VPK: Slave Labour

What will China do if the US Government tells US companies to not use the slave trade there? 

Ali Mostofi

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I have said

all I have to say on this matter. I don't want to keep repeating myself. So unless there is something new I am out for now. Wait 10 years then see where things are going to be. China will not fund USA forever; just while it suite them.

Ali said himself markets are opening. China wants markets and not just USA. While USA may benefit from war other nations may prefer stable markets. Fewer wars; more prosperity and money to buy their cheap junk.

Ali Jan

Multi nationals don't matter to China or India. They matter to USA. Did you notice China executed top brass of its biggest companies when they messed up.  That would never happen in America. 

China is one huge company in a sense. They do not give a rat's behind if an MNC is profitable. India has its own companies. The nation mostly in hands of MNC is America. That because of the idiotic election funding methods they have. Basically legal bribes.

After watching American democracy in action I yearn for Shah's "dictatorship". You are giving too much power to America and too little to others. Russia; China and India for starters. Not to mention Latin America. The world is changing leaving USA behind.

Right now, the world

Right now, the world markets are about to open.  Where did all the money go to last week? US Treasuries.  Even Gold went down.  So the US Treasuries are God.  Nothing else matters.  The US Banks are owned by FED now.  It is Socialism.

So now connect that to the Generals in China who could dump US Treasuries.  Now think of what Apple and Wal-Mart could do if they pulled out of China.  That is the balance of power.  Nothing else matters. 

Ali Mostofi

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In the long run, you could be right, but I can't see that far

The thing is USA economic power will be stagnant for the next 10 years due to the drag caused by the non-regulated shadow banking system.  So china has a little while to go for now as power shifts its way.  Russia and the EU are both in a potentially good situation in the future though.  That's where the US challenges are likley to be from.  But US hedgemony over oil, weapons, food and money are powerful weapons against Russia and the EU.  If there is a drive to make a multipolar world against US hedgemony, that could lead to great dangers.

Ali I disagree

China is not only not finished it has a long way to go. Besides the economics keep shifting. Again I am very involved with people doing high technology. Right now the cost balance is shifting back from India and China to USA.

Africa is not even in the game and not likely to be any time soon. They lack the skills; the discipline or the governments. These jobs including the moderate low skill ones are not easy to move. You need a lot of investment and infrastructure. Not to mention training to set them up. Cheap energy is another one. When {not if} China pulls off its energy projects it will get a leg up in manufacturing. Africa for the foreseeable future will be a source of raw materials only. 

VPK: Renewable It is not

VPK: Renewable

It is not so much the energy issue as how the multinationals can continue to be profitable.

If there is a magic wand and energy will be free, then everything would be solved.  Yeah and pigs can fly.

Funnily enough it was like that so 20000 years ago before the huge Galactic War, when the Earth was not wobbling and we did not have seasons.  But that's a whole other story.

Anyway, the reality is that the US warships are afloat, and the Ayatollahs are doing what they are told.  They will provide the grim news and the media will sell it and the chain reaction will continue as ever. 

Ali Mostofi

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Renewable

I am right about it and it is on its way. No force is going to stop it. I know some of the people and the technologies involved. And yes it will be huge as big as it gets.

I keep hearing "oil" and it is a bit frustrating. I wish my friend Ali would take renewables seriously. I don't care what military you got. If something is not worth it then you don't protect it. "Petro China" is going to be "Solar and Wind" China very soon. And they like it that way. No nation in its right mind wants to be dependent on others for energy. Why should a dictatorship like China wish to rely on Iran if it does not have to. China has been very clear about their sphere of influence.

They want what they got and unlike America not much else. The good thing about a dictatorship is they don't care about corporations. No donations required. Means the power elite do not "owe" any favors to donors. They go for what is good for China.

Amir: US Gov vs Apple &

Amir: US Gov vs Apple & Wal-Mart

It is all about US Gov and the multinationals like Apple.  Apple is worth $300 billion. Then you have the Chinese Generals who have to keep their prisoners busy.  So they get used to make stuff for Foxconn. Then you have the Generals buying US Treasuries.

The flip side, is that the Chinese are getting older and consuming more.  So in the long run, China is pretty much finished.  So the need to go to Africa. 

Ali Mostofi

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Ali so why did the usa put pressure on china

to stop investing in irans oil sector?

US doesn't want to lose Iran to China, USA is not interested in a strong china either, they would totally dominate the usa out of eurasia. High oil prices are due to USA, they are harming chinas economy intentionally, it also strenghtens their sick/weak dollar, no?

I don't see cooperation with china, europe or russia as power shifts away from usa, do you really see us and china cooperating?

Re: kinder gentler irr

but that needs khameneii to pass away.

When it suites some powers people have a way of "passing away".  It also puts others on notice.

VPK: The Petro Thing The

VPK: The Petro Thing

The Petro Thing is intrinsically linked to military.  At the moment the US military is fully employed to guard the sea lanes.  The US and other militaries being fully employed is at the core of this issue.  US democracy needs justification.

China's military does not need democracy.  That is the crux of the issue.  They are building many ships.  Why? So think.  Petrochina plus China Navy.  Then think bases in Syria, Iran.  The Hezbollah in Lebanon are so close to them.  So are the Hezbollah in Iran. 

Ali Mostofi

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VPK I wish you are right about cheap renewable energy.

That would make a huge difference.

VPK I wish you are right about cheap renewable energy.

That would make a huge difference.

Dear Ali

If you read my last few posts I was dealing with the "petro" thing. It will be unimportant soon. Believe me because I know the technology.

As for needing an enemy you gave the argument yourself. The new Islamic Arab states will do fine. They are weaker but noisier. Pose less of a real threat but could be make to look worse. It is partially job of Iranian Americans to show USA that Iran is not the best enemy That far more convinient ones are right there so go for them!