Sic Semper Tyrannis

I accept it hypocricy to eat

I accept it hypocricy to eat meat and to condemn killing of animals. My issue is with the method of Halall/Kosher slaughter: the way the defenceless animal has its throat cut and left to bleed in public. I hate the barbaric backward culture which allows for the animal to be killed to celebtate some guy has bought a new car or house. It is not uncommon for sheep to be slaughtered in Iran when someone gets married and this is done in full view of all children. No wonder the rate of execution is so high and people are so desensitised to executions when the least bit of respect is not given to sheep. I say ban all Halall/Kosher slaughter.

And This is What This Blog All About

And how 'sweet' the words of GOD desribe the blogger & his/her pals per below:

"Have you ever considered [the kind of man] who make his own desires his deity? Could you, then, be held responsible for his deeds? Or do you think that most of them listen [to GOD's messages] and use their reasons? Nay, they are but like CATTLE - Nay, they are even less conscious of the right way!!! (Ghoron 25:43-44)."

Per your own ignorance, GOD has left all you guys then in your overweening arrogance, blindly stumbling to and fro. As such why do not you write as many as blogs/remarks about "what is the 'real truth' all about" and/or any other ones your 'convoluted souls' desire? Why do not you? After all we live in a 'free' world & you surely will have all the 'free' & 'dummies' in the world to praise you!

HFB

I second the requests for you to blog about  your views on IRI, Islam and women. When you come out outraged about the ugly side of Islam, absent at blogs of atrocities of IRI, it would be useful to know where you stand. I would make people understand you better when you make a comment.

AO jaan

Just read your animal welfare activities comment. I can relate to you in so many ways. Thanks for all your blogs and posts. Cowards are too weak to accept the truth.

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One quick thing

The picture posted above is actually a pretty mild one.  It was copied from Fars News' own site.  There are many more graphic ones to "enjoy." Here's the link:

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One leads to another

In General in societies that treat animal poorly (including omatestan falsley named Iran) you will find great mistreatment of human beings as well. Seems like one is extention of the other. Cult of isalm is so savage that even it's Eid which is suppose to be a time for celeberation revolves around slaughtering defensless animals! 

Some times I am glad IRI is around just to show folks the kind of garbage islam is. May be finaly after 1400 years of nightmare people start shedding it out of Iranian psychee and soul once and all.Time will tell.

Wow, this blog has become a target rich environment

in terms of comments that need a response, that is. :-)

I shall return with a few responses later, after I finish a couple of animal welfare related tasks which, BTW, is what I do for living! 

Until then: alsalam alaykum va rahmatollah va barekatoh. :-)

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hafez jan, i think you're

hafez jan, i think you're delusional (i hope you don't take offense; if you do, i apologize). the conversation i'm having on this blog pertains to the material on this blog and fred's blog.  that includes my conversation with c.o.p.  so i don't know why you want to have the conversation on another blog (is it taarof?).  having read blogs/comments by a.o. (the author of this blog), i'm not surprised that he uses shock value to deliver a message.  it's akin to parody.  you're not supposed to take details of his blog (or a parody for that matter) too seriously and pay attention to the point he's trying to make.  if you can't do that, then perhaps participation in this type of blog is not healthy for you.

i'm still not sure whether human rights is not as big as priority for you as being a mola loghati on the factual veracity of a blog like this.  if it isn't, i suggest that you start a blog about the origin (or origins) of sacrificing animals and humans to gods.  this blog is really about people being slaughtered in islamic countries such as iran.  and just to remind you, the reason that two blogs used eid ghorban as a vehicle to bring to attention the human rights in islamic countries is that yesterday happened to be eid ghorban.

p.s. if you have not seen the movies "life of brian" or mel brooks' "history of the world," i suggest that you stay away from it.  the details are blasphemous and may be inaccurate; although, the points (laughter, folly of religion and religious) were spot on in my opinion.

DISGUSTING

Savages.

You're kidding, right?

I've been addressing you all along. 

You make a great politician, can you say SPIN? You're in the right city, BTW.

You still did not articulate your thoughts on islam and women....

My head hurts now.

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COP jan

COP Jan: My view on women in Islam? That was not the point of my Blog today. My Blog was pointing to the choice of most respected publications in the US not using wholesale mockery of a religion on their front pages, for good reason. 

As for women:  You want my opinion on women? The fact that you can't even address me directly, you and buddy man Hamsadeh Ghadim are talking about me, even asking my views, but only among yourselves without coming to me directtly.  This proves to me your telling position on how to deal with "women" - so, if you don't mind I'll just do a "no comment."

Anonymous Observer: My apologies. Don't mean to hog your post. The above gentlemen can address me directly from here on. I do have a Blog. 

Hamsade jaan

It is absolutly unbelievable the grip this religion has had on our psyche. Here's a perfectly intelligent perosn who argues that all religions do this sacrifice, which is fine by me. Although I am not aware of any animal beheadings going on near my local grocery store. She neglects the facts that we are talking about the institution of Eslam and its stance on the very basic aspects of humanity - or lack there of.

I am still waiting to hear her thoughts on the treatment of females in her beloved religion.

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COP / HG

Cost-of-Progress: I invite you to come and call the Hafez post today "bigotted" on the Blog itself, rather than doing so, here. 

If you do so , I will happily respond to it. 

Hamsadeh Ghadim: I have a right to choose what I stand up for. But thanks for sharing your views.

Ignorance: is a fact, it's not necessarily a slur  - when someone says the earth is flat - they are being ignrorant. When they put Moslems down Vs. the "rest of the world" without knowing that the rest of the world includes Jews and Christians, from whom the Sacrificed Lamb story of Abraham came from, then that's "ignorance."

Bigotry: If ignorance is then chosen to smear wholesale relgions, that's the dictionary definition of "bigotted."

I'm happy to apologize if I felt I was being insulting. I don't believe I was. Insulting is childish. Ignorance and Bigotry is not, and I tried to point to it. 

c.o.p. the sad part is

c.o.p.

the sad part is hafez admits that the part that she opposes in fred's blog is fred's attributing the barbaric sacrifice of animals only to muslims and not all religions.  apparently, she didn't have any problem with the barbaric killings of humans (the main point of both blogs).  i don't know if she just wants to be congratulated for knowing that sacrifice of sheep was also done by the jews. not to mention, indians, greeks, and a bunch of other cultures.

the funny part is that she calls people bigots and ignorant, and then is shocked to hear someone call her dense.  the nerve of someone calling the teacher of stories that we learned in grade school as dense!

Lilly

Shes' the one who wrote a whole blog about it calling others who disagree with her bigots? Do you have selective eyesight too? 

I suggest you stick with your pffffttt  koooft...and the likes.

Cheers

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COP, your personal attack on HFB

is TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR!

both blogs used eid ghorban

both blogs used eid ghorban as a vehicle to bring attention to the plight of humans in muslim countries. you've used both blogs to bring attention to yourself and your knowledge of the "rarely-heard" story of sacrificial lamb in judaism!

Thanks, Ayatoilet, for the support

AO is vegan as far as I know and so am I.

Either way, I suspect that so many rituals were created out of scarcity, not how it is today and many others simply out of the then contemporary availability of "science" to "ward off" more scarcity and poverty, but unfortunately still very much practised right across the globe. 

The issue of kosher and halal is highly debatable. 

P.S. Updated to say. Since I gather that AO is fond of literature, I just dug up a poignant short story by Roald Dahl, part of the collection entitled "Kiss Kiss" and the chapter called "Pig".

Silly

accusation: "I bet your're one of those women who walks around in gatherrings with a wine glass in your hands while praising the beauty of Islam, the religion of blood." Ummm let's see:

It's cherry picking not to point to the immense sexism in all religions. Ever wondered why a Christian Nun looks exactly like a Moslem? Because it all started in Judaism, that women's hair is "najjess" - As did the concept of gentile which then became the infidel. etc.  

It's not thorough to direct all this hatred at Islam, alone. Oh - and I'm allergic to wine. 

Hamsade Ghadim: Fred's Blog yesterday on Eideh Ghorban drew two parallel stories - a) that Moslems are barbarically sacrificing animals and b) they also do the same with their people. My opposition was to  part a) - I'd be mindful of who you call "dense"- feel free to call me one, it doesn't bother me, but be mindful of the fact that namecalling is a poor reflection on YOU. 

hafez jan, are you that

hafez jan, are you that dense?  you keep repeating the same religious lesson over and over again.  the gist of this blog and fred's blog are not really about the sheep.  it's about taking of human lives.  it's about "muslim" on "muslim" violence. it's about iran being the number 1 execution per capita country in the world. saudi arabia (#3).

now tell me, what happened to the israeli guy (last name amir) who assassinated the prime minister of israel a few years back.  did he get executed?  that's right, he got life in prison.  in israel, they don't believe a jew should kill a jew (even if the jew in question is an athiest). but in muslim countries, there are all kind of reasons to kill one's own kind.  for example, if the identity of this blogger was known in iran and he was there, he would be executed for the crime of being a mohareb. back to c.o.p.'s point: he likes this country because of his freedom not to be bothered by religion.  one definitely has the right to defend islam whether in iran (even to death) or the u.s.

now could you tell us the jewish story for the umpteenth time? sheeesh...

I believe someone who uses a username named after

the biggest traitor Iran has seen should keep his comments to himself. 

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Not bigotry

what Islam preaches and practices is bigotry, intolerance is bigotry, killing the infidel is bigotry while confiscating his worth and ....wife, that is bigotry.

You refuse to address the treatment of women in Islam while beating your chest for it.

I bet your're one of those women who walks around in gatehrings with a wine glass in your hands while praising the beauty of Islam, the religion of blood.

So that you're satisfied: ALL religions are equally opressive, some just crap the brain more than others....

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oh, but that's not all :-)

We also have another blood feast called Ghameh-zani, in which people cut their babies' heads with a knife.

The blood supposedly is dedicated to Hosein son of Ali.

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Where did this peaceful ritual come from? The Jews, or the pagan cult of "Allah" in pre-Islamic Hijaz?

Mobarak ast Inshallah. 

Vegeterian by mouth or by foot?

  Brother Ala

Do "most" of your family members (must be a big family!) avoid eating flesh of the dead animals as well as wearing that leather shoe or carrying that leather bag or wearing that leather belt or carrying that leather purse? 

For an Islamic democracy

Great Idea Tiger Lily

AO should visit some Turkey processing plants ...and again I can arrange for that to happen. See how they hang the birds, and cut their heads off, and see them bleed as they go upside down on a factory conveyor system before their first cut up station ...

She'll never look at a turkey the same way over thanksgiving or for Christmas. Then AND ONLY THEN ...can AO say that eating lamb for an Islamic celebration is somehow not right ...and that one animal's blood is somehow more civilized than another animal's blood.

And by the way AO, if you are reading this, it is an absolute fact that Islamic or Kosher style animal killing is much more humane than non-kosher style death. The non-Kosher style results in a lot of pain and torture for an animal ...they feel the cut and bleed slowly to death feeling the pain because the nerve connections to the brain remain intact; on the other hand Islamic or Kosher cut is very immediate and the animal dies immediately with no pain or torture.

You really need to educate yourself AO.

It is barbaric.

It is barbaric.

Jews and Christians, too

Sacrficing the lamb: comes from the Jewish story of Abraham, his son, Abraham showing his devotion to God by obeying to slaughter his own son, God intervening and saving the boy - and a lamb being sacrificed as a symbol, instead - a symbol of Abraham's devotion.

You hate it? Fine - but don't confine the hatred to Islam. This is a Jewish, Christian and Moslem story. Bigotry is much uglier than the photo you've posted. 

 On

 On cows:

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"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

AO, pfffttt

Next time, could you please put a warning thing up?

I can't stand watching turkey slaughterhouses either and I don't know why this gibberish about the "jews" doing it too (somewhere below) is supposed to make it any better either.

Btw they all do. I mean all cults have sacrifical rituals right across the globe and believe or not, quite a few Buddhist factions too. But no, it doesn't make it better for the sacrified lamb baby.

EWWWWWWAAAAW

god is a turnip.

poor turnip.

P.S. But, singling out one aspect within Islam, AO, tut tut!