Pro Democracy Movement of Iran (PDMI)

Walt

Day by day more MEK supporters crawl out of the woodwork. 

Arash's poll was honest and open.  

About as honest as the "election" of that *** Maryam Rajavi! You are not fooling anyone. I already posted links and description of what a scientific poll is. Going to your own Web site and posting a "Poll" amongst like minded people is not honest. It just shows what people who already agree with you think. I am not a fan of NIAC or MEK. But one hair of Trita Parsi is worth a million Rajavi. And one hair of Reza Pahlavi is worth a million Parsi. Now do the math for yourself. MEK betrayed Iran and wants to hide behind NIAC and its failings. Sorry bud, but NIAC good or bad does not make Rajavi any better. The stink of MEK goes up to the heaven. No amount of perfume or obfuscation will cover it up.

Way to Go Walt

Tell it like it is.  Interesting that there is deafening silence from NIAC and Parsi on whether they actually support the regime or not.  It's an easy question boys - yes, or no ROFL.  Also, again no response to multiple questions (even here!), what have you actually done for victims of regime persecution, imprisonment, torture, rape etc?  Hmm, another silence.  Walt and Arash help refugees every single day and have more integrity in one single finger tip than...well, you know.

As Walt says, court cases are being prepared which, even with Parsi's regime support, will expose his and NIAC's corrupt activities and him for the bully and liar he is.  Worse, what does it mean to support the regime?  Check out human rights sources every day - this week alone so far 10 people have been murdered by the regime in Iran and countless others imprisoned for being Christian, Baha'i, women, journalists.  Ask me for evidence on both of those things - we have BOOKS of it.

And to those who are laughing over their 'bagels and coffee' - you will very soon be choking on them when justice is done, and it will be soon now.

Please do pardon me, but, as I am not paid by the regime to sit and type stupid comments to people who are actually helping victims of the foul, corrupt, fascist regime, I have more important work to do, like Walt and Arash.

And by the way, we are all non-political and non-profit.  Because we care about Iranians, not how to line our own pockets.  That is obviously proving a little bit scary to regime supporters, and a rapidly growing number of people worldwide can see it.  Thanks for continuing to dig your own hole. 

NIAC and Trita Parsi

I'm on NIAC's mailing list, they never sent me a survey or asked to partake.  They did however supply one of the groups that did a survey for them the Iran telephone numbers of regime friends.  No Iranian in Iran is ever going to take a survey over the phone and answer truthfully so they can get called into the information minister the next day. 

So, let NIAC post a similar survey PUBLICLY and lets compare numbers!!!  Trita doesn't have the gonads to do it and lose face.  Even if he did you all wouldn't believe the results even if it had a poll tabulator watching the count. 

Court documents retrieved from NIAC's office and emails tell the story.  The same documents may be used shortly to convict Parsiand his friends. After his jail time maybe he will get the boot back to Sweden,,or better yet IRAN.  By the way, I haven't met a refugee yet that doesn't agree that Parsi is regime.  :)   

What a garbage

This survey is as truthful as the elections held in Iran. Just how can 90%, resp 82% random people know these points?

• 90% of respondents were aware of the defamation lawsuit against Hassan Dai
• 82% had read NIAC’s internal documents revealed as a result of the lawsuit

And if there is one thing we Iranians are good at is to disagree and still many points in this survey get 99%... Come on man, at least when cheating make an effort, I know you beleive so but not everybody is brainwashed MEK member.

4 debate: did u ask 4 credit card, driv. lic., SSN & passport 2?

I suggest the 6-point security ID check adapted by the DMV!

Parsi and NIAC and AIC

Arash's poll was honest and open.  It is the NIAC and IRI supporters that do not like the questions.  The poll was sent to Parsi directly by me.  It was also sent directly to NIACouncil by me.  Even with the thousands of followers they FICTITIOUSLY CLAIM to have (NIAC internal documents written by Parsi prove otherwise) the results of the poll speak for themselves.  NIAC and Parsi had the oportunity to partake and maybe they did!!!  Why have so many people joined NIAC and then resigned? 

Why would a Swede whose father is an Iranian Intelligence agent establish an organization for Iranian-Americans and hold the original meeting on Cyprus, home of the largest Iranian embassies, at an event sponsored by the Iranian regime????

The men involved in the Bob Ney conviction trying to circumvent sanctions by illegally buying aircraft parts are from Cyprus.  NIAC's own documents written by Parsi contain enough evidence to indict him.  Clinton and Obama dictate the Justice Department filings as noted in the current investigation of the Black Panther and CAIR incidents and other obstructions under investigation.  If Clinton and Obama weren't pulling strings, Parsi, the two black Panthers and many CAIR members would be on trial right now.  The statute of limitations is not expired and Obummo and Clinton will be OUT of HERE in a few more months and then it will be time to pay the piper.  We will demand it. 

I wish all of you who do not have a clue about what is going on would spend as much time and effort supporting Iranian Refugees as you do running at the mouth with your NIAC nonsense.  Where is Parsi?  Where is big mouth Jamal Abdi??  We asked to debate them any time and any place but they have still not responded.  They can only send their paid minions and a few useless idiots to try and degrade honest and caring people such as Arash and Koshkeledoc.  If any of you big mouths did 1/10th the work with Iranian refugees forced in to Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, India and Pakistan without means, that Doc and Arash have done the world would be a better place with a lot less misery.  I wouldn't expect that kind of help from a group like this one here at Iranian.com who gave all your email addresses to NIAC to try and help boost NIAC's miserable following.

Go help a refugee or do something constructive if you can garner enough intelligence to do so. 

Parsi and NIAC and AIC

Arash's poll was honest and open.  It is the NIAC and IRI supporters that do not like the questions.  The poll was sent to Parsi directly by me.  It was also sent directly to NIACouncil by me.  Even with the thousands of followers they FICTITIOUSLY CLAIM to have (NIAC internal documents written by Parsi prove otherwise) the results of the poll speak for themselves.  NIAC and Parsi had the oportunity to partake and maybe they did!!!  Why have so many people joined NIAC and then resigned? 

Why would a Swede whose father is an Iranian Intelligence agent establish an organization for Iranian-Americans and hold the original meeting on Cyprus, home of the largest Iranian embassies, at an event sponsored by the Iranian regime????

The men involved in the Bob Ney conviction trying to circumvent sanctions by illegally buying aircraft parts are from Cyprus.  NIAC's own documents written by Parsi contain enough evidence to indict him.  Clinton and Obama dictate the Justice Department filings as noted in the current investigation of the Black Panther and CAIR incidents and other obstructions under investigation.  If Clinton and Obama weren't pulling strings, Parsi, the two black Panthers and many CAIR members would be on trial right now.  The statute of limitations is not expired and Obummo and Clinton will be OUT of HERE in a few more months and then it will be time to pay the piper.  We will demand it. 

I wish all of you who do not have a clue about what is going on would spend as much time and effort supporting Iranian Refugees as you do running at the mouth with your NIAC nonsense.  Where is Parsi?  Where is big mouth Jamal Abdi??  We asked to debate them any time and any place but they have still not responded.  They can only send their paid minions and a few useless idiots to try and degrade honest and caring people such as Arash and Koshkeledoc.  If any of you big mouths did 1/10th the work with Iranian refugees forced in to Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, India and Pakistan without means, that Doc and Arash have done the world would be a better place with a lot less misery.  I wouldn't expect that kind of help from a group like this one here at Iranian.com who gave all your email addresses to NIAC to try and help boost NIAC's miserable following.

Go help a refugee or do something constructive if you can garner enough intelligence to do so. 

VPK - yup, oil is a blessing and a scourge

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MM

Regarding oil. I think it is the worst thing that happened to Iran. I wish Iran has no oil or at least not much more than its own needs. It has become an opium that has addicted our nation. 

If IRI is to fall there has to be a cut of revenue. Why should ordinary Iranians live off oil? Why should we not produce our wealth like India or many other nations. I have no problem with a full oil embargo. *** the oil. The best times of Iran were when we did not rely on oil. Cyrus; Anushiravan; Karim Khan did not rely on oil. It only feeds the dictators so they are able to either buy off the people. Or to pay off mercenaries to repress the people. If there was no oil there would have been no 19543 coup. We may have had democracy for the past 60 years! But thanks to oil we got the CIA; the British and now China. All hungry for it and willing to prop up whoever is a good puppet. As long as we have oil we risk our freedom.

Roozbeh

Below, I gave you my opinion as to what I thought about oil sanctions, based on my blog that I put up a while ago (Practical path towards democracy). 

The official NIAC stand on sanctions, based on the members' poll is outlined at //www.niacouncil.org/site/PageServer?pagename=Policy_iran_sanctions

and follows as

* NIAC opposes broad sanctions that hurt ordinary Iranians.

* NIAC supports targeted measures against human rights violators in Iran’s government.

* NIAC supports removing restrictions on Internet communication tools, humanitarian relief, and human rights and civil society organizations.

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From the above site: "NIAC is leading the call for a new US approach to Iran—one that decreases pressure on the Iranian people while simultaneously increasing pressure on Iran’s rulers. NIAC has worked to eliminate US restrictions that block Iranians from communicating via the Internet and prevent US human rights, civil society, and relief organizations from working in Iran. At the same time, NIAC supports precision sanctions focused squarely on human rights abusers who repress the Iranian people. By eliminating restrictions that punish innocent Iranians and tightening sanctions targeting Iran’s government, the United States can stand with the Iranian people. "

VPK jan: Don't worry.. My

VPK jan: Don't worry.. My aversion toward NIAC is not as great to blind me toward the MKO's loonies..

vildemose

VPK: I have never endorsed PMOI or will in the future..

I know that. There is no reason to even tell me. My main worry is that dislike of NIAC is giving MEK an opening. 

Dear Bavafa:

"What I would like to know from NIAC is how they propose to get rid of this Regime in Iran, or do they? "

Excellent question.

VPK: I have never endorsed PMOI or will in the future..

VPK jan: Here is why NOT do what you hypostatically suggest

MEK by itself has no chance (I mean zero) to put any real dent in IRI apparatus. Yes, it can kill some Basiji and Sepah or destroy a factory or two but that is a drop in an ocean for IRI. If US is not planning on joining MEK later and possibly invade Iran, MEK will be an spent fuel without any tangible results.

Alternatively, IRI can use this act as yet another excuse to ever so much tighten the screw on Iranian oppositions. Perhaps similar type summary execution that many of us witness during the war with Iraq and all in the name of MEK members. MEK members are so hated in Iran that few will dare to come to defend of those accused of being a member.

IRI can also resort in covert retaliatory act against US interest, ever so pushing the limit of that cold war and as a result only more innocent people on both sides will pay the price.

Finally, aligning with a shady and cultish group such as MEK will only jeopardize and reduce the little moral authority US has had.

Is this any thing good for either nation?

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

VPK jaan: I applaud your activism and care towards mother land

I have written and attempted to call my representative to voice my concerns. We can not sit on the side line and later on blame others.

Post 79 we did that and now are paying for it.

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Now the other

part of the argument for a minute. I want to play devil advocate. Why should we not want America to use the MEK to harass the IRI. Give them a reason to blow up the Revolutionary Guard. How about Americans blowing up the Basiji. That will let the Iranian people rise up and rid the nation of the IRI. The MEK has no chance of taking power. Why not have them be cannon fodder? Sure it will cost them thousands of rank and file. A small price for Iran to be rid of IRI.

I am just posing this as the other side of the argument. Personally I am afraid of this. But it does have some merit. Will you please give me reasons why not? I want you and Mehrdad to give me reasons. Then I have something to tell people when asked.

Disclaimer: I obviously am not for this. If I were I would not be talking to my representatives :-) 

MM

I agree with you and fear the same thing and the same plan. But I tell you IRI gave them the reasons. We must act and because of that I have:

• Scheduled meetings with my congressman. 
• Got my American friends to do the same thing.
• Written other congressmen in my state with state-wide ambitions.

I suggest we all do the same thing. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. A single meeting will produce amazing results. There is no need to be Iranian. In fact non Iranian Americans will be just as good if not more. Because it tells the politicians people are watching them. Right now the American people are sick of the Libya thing. They do not want another one. If we let congress know *all* people are watching they respond. They do not want their opponent having this ad "my opponent supports terrorists that killed American citizens". We must make it clear to them that is just what they get by voting to de-list.

It is fine to vent on IC but we need to do much more. I suspect you and Mehrdad have already done so. If not you probably will. So talking to you is preaching to the choir. But I repeat myself here get your American friends involved.

VPK

I would rather see this be an Iranian initiative (oil workers strike / general strike) with nothing owed to foriegn governments, than a bunch of soldiers of fortune that have no loyalty other than to the Rajavis, who will sell their mothers to reach the power they seek.  But, I have a feeling that is where the neocons like John Bolton are taking this MKO deal. 

My guess is that we will see activities by the MKO around the Iranian oil fields and elsewhere.  Seeing their pocket money drying, IRI will pour the Sepaah onto them, and someone will declare the MKO as freedom-fighters, and ............. to be continued.

Hoping to be proven wrong.

MM

An oil embargo is no more an act of war than taking over an embassy. The IRI declared was on USA when they took the hostages. I am just stating facts nothing more. They have been at war since. 

It is a cold war but may turn hot at any minute. I rather IRI go without resistance. But they won't. That is why USA is using MKO in a wrong headed attempt to remove IRI. I do not know what is going to happen. But something will.During the Bush administration Israel nearly attacked Iran. Bush vetoed it and they used the virus. But that has run its course now. USA wants IRI gone and replaced. It is up to us to make sure the replacement is an improvement not MKO or something of that nature.

Dear Vildemose

NIAC has nothing to do with PMOI and never did. Whether NIAC is good or bad does not change PMOI. Please do not let you dislike of NIAC get in the way of your feeling on PMOI.

NIAC may be run by Dracula; it still does not make MEK good. If Trita Parsi is the devil it does not make Maryam Rajavi President of Iran does it? Nor does it make this poll valid. I have written extensively on the problems with this poll. I myself have problems with NIAC. I have contacted them and told them about my issues with them. I have also made it obvious I oppose MEK. In my opinion NIAC may change course. It may be more critical of IRI. But MEK has dug its own grave. Nothing it does will undo its past actions. There is no blood on hands of NIAC. So yes unlike MEK they may change.

Roozbeh

An oil embargo, policed by another nation's navy amounts to a declaration of war.  IRI may not directly challenge something like the US 7th fleet, but they will most likely unleash their proxy forces, Hezbollah and Hamas around Israel and in Iraq, and will probably help Taliban against the coelition. 

I would rather see the West/UN convince nations not to buy Iran's oil which would have the same ending without an escalating war across the middle east.  Or, a strike by the Iranian oil workers which, as we all remember, was the last draw in 1979, would also be preferable.

Nonetheless, we are sitting pretty in our homes and bread on the table.  The other day, in your last blog, you said that, eventually, the people of Iran on the streets will determine their faith.  I wonder if the people on the streets of Iran are ready to accept the hardships that will go with a situation that may cut off their bread-line.  I honestly do not know!

Pretty Doc

Random survery does NOT mean it was open to all. It means it was done through statistical means. That is a random sample representative of a population. Not that anyone could participate. In fact open to anyone defeats the random nature of it. A random survery by definition is not open to all. If it was then those with a special interest and knowledge of it would skew it. By God you people know nothing of statistics. 

A random survey is different from an election. The latter intends to include a very large number basically all people. A survey takes a very small number but because of its randomness is representative. Why don't you learn before opening your mouth.

If this is a "doctor" then the term doctor means nothing. Or that means not a doctor of math or statistics. If you want to BS do it right. Your total lack of understanding of polling indicates why your poll is so inaccurate.

From all of the arguments and witch hunts against NIAC thus far

This is the most reasonable/logical argument that I have heard that brings the most doubt regarding NIAC.

"What I would like to know from NIAC is how they propose to get rid of this Regime in Iran, or do they? "

Thank you cousin again for the voice of logic.

'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

NIAC can always change

NIAC can always change course and direction...Let's hope they will.

Roozbeh Aziz

NIAC regards an embargo "an act of war" and are opposed to it.

When HR 1905 was proposed, they lobbied against it. The resolution was introduced but never made it to the floor of the House and NIAC regards that as one of their victories.

Even a UN-mandated embargo is opposed by NIAC. They generally reference the oil embargo against Saddam and use "no baby food for infants" argument. 

What I would like to know from NIAC is how they propose to get rid of this Regime in Iran, or do they?

//www.niacouncil.org/site/News2pageNewsArti...

VPK Jaan

Right on Brother!

The Doctor and his nurse came here and made a big splash and when we asked him some relevant questions, he ran away as expected!

You know, it wouldn't be bad if once in a while people that post here, come out and say, "You guys are correct and I made a mistake. Thank you."

Isn't that what we are supposed to have learned in our higher education institutes?

Faramarz Jan

The "Doctor" does not understand statistical sampling. Or pretends not to. Neither does the rest of MEK gang. Gallup does a statistical sample that includes all American. Its accuracy is then verified by the real poll which is the election.

Nex time I will conduct a poll at my ammeh's house. 100% wil agree she is the best cook. Anyone not agreeing will get a kick in the rear by my amneh's husband and is sent to Zir Zamin to see the err of his or her ways.

I thought Ney was what the "Arab throws" as they say "on jayi ke arab ney bendazeh". I do not care about Bob Ney even though I am one of the few who knows about him. So what if Bob Ney is in jail. Does that make MEK good? 

Roozbeh jaan: I suspect you know my position on the subject

Since I have already commented on that link and many other times on this subject. Though I do not know what NIAC's position would be in this regard/policy, partially because it has simply not been such policy or direction, that is a UN mandated embargo on Iran's oil industry and product or even better yet, a "sanction" type effort in boycotting Iran's oil. US can simply lead an effort in an organized boycott of Iranian oil industry and product without any fear of possible war since embargo can amount to declare war.

So far (I emphasize so far) US has not been able to curb its thirst for Iran's oil, only pushing for sanction which in my mind it is hypocrisy at its best (I won't sell things to you but happily will buy your oil)

Anyway, I am answering since I am a cautious supporter of NIAC. Cautious in the sense that as long as I feel they are mainly working to unite us with one voice and representing the Iranian-Americans, they will have my support.

Cousin Farmarz: You are being logical here, stop it :)

 'Vahdat' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

P.S. I think NIAC should champion such policy and direction (i.e. boycotting Iranian oil industry)

Question for NIAC supporters here:

What is NIAC's position on a UN led and policed absolute, airtight embargo of oil exports by the fascist islamist regime?

 //iranian.com/main/2011/jul/iran-oil-exports-difficulties

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Rozbeh

that was sooo funny ......

but no personal attack is meant here  ....  

I am just in my rock & roll mood today ...

LOL