IRANdokht

Dear.Irandokht,.you.wrote:

If anyone who's looking at this process from the outside with limited
knowledge of Iranian psyche and Iran's history wants to reduce it to a
child play in the schoolyard then so be it. It won't change the reality
and it's not worth commenting on.

Jaleh jan

you certainly have a way to get people all riled up my friend! what do you think about the other link in the blog and the rohanioon-e mobarez? 

IRANdokht

____________________________________

I.am.writing.a.new.post.to.restate.the.content.of.my.previously

deleted.post..Unfortunately.that.one.was.more.concise,.so

please.forgive.my.verbositiy.as.I.aassiduously.attempt.to.avoid.

anything.that.could.be.construed.as.trespassing.the.parameterof.

civil.discourse.in.any.way.

___________________

Irandokht,

At.the.end.of.your.long.reply.to.various.posts,.you.wrote.the.

above,.first.part.of.which.addressed.to.me.and.second.to.

Jaleho..This.is.a.very.revealing.juxtapositoin.

You.claim.that.I.do.not.understand.the.Iranian.

psyche.The.Iranian.psyche.is.highly.complex,.and.no.one

understands. completely..However.there.are.some.things.

about.it. which.are.actually.quite.simple,.and.which.apparently.

I. surprisingly.grasp.better.than.you.

So..although.I.am.a.non-Iranian,.I.feel.I.must.take.it.

myself.to.explain.them.to.you.

________________________

Your.'friend.'Jaleho.does.not.just.."have.a.way".of.getting.people.

"all. riled.up.'..With.all.due.respect,.your.choice.of.words.belies.

a.lackof.true.depth.understanding.of.the.full.extent.and.nature.

of.that.'being.riled.up'..It.is,..for.lack.of.a.better. word,

a."cutesie".way.of.characterizing.something.which.could.

best.be.described.as."righteous.wrath."..And.this."cutesiness'

trivializes.this.wrath.and.patronizes.those.who.harbor.it..And

had.you.grasped.thismyou.would.have.spoken

in.this.way.

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Please.allow.me.to.explain.

Jaleho.is.the.most.vocal.supporter.here.for.Mahmood

Ahmadinejad..As.such.she.has.placed.herself.in.the.position.

of.being.the.de.facto.spokesperson.onsite.for.a 

for.a.Regime.many.people.here.thoroughly.loathe.and.despise

to.the.very. marrrow.of.their.bones.The.'riling.up'.of.these.

people.by.Jaleho.has.been.constant. and.on-going.since.the.moment.she.entered.these.boards.

Others,.who.are.not.staunchly.anti-IRI.did.not.previously.

have.this.feeling.otoward.Jaleho..However,in.the.current.

climate,.it.appears..to.be.growing.and.spreading.

(Please.refer.to.my.post.to.Jaleho.below.for.an.explanation.

of.why.this.is.happening).

_______________________________

Now.you.are.no.doubt.thinkng.that.you.already.know.all.this,

and.who.am.I.to.tell.it.to.you.in.my.beknighted.capacity.as.

a.non-Iranian..But.Irandokht,if.you.had.TRULY.understood.

these.things.ON.A.DEPTH.LEVEL,.you.would.not.have.

DISRESPECTED.the.deeply-felt.anger.of.the.majority.of.

the.posters.on.this.website.toward.Jaleho.by.using.the.

"cutesie".tone.you.did.

__________________________

Needless.to.say,as.a.non-Iranian,.I.humbly.and.completely

defer.to.your.expertise.in.absolutely.all.other.aspects.,large.

and.small,.of.understanding.the.Iranian.psyche.

Apologist covering up now

IRANdokht's words (not only title)

"It's clear that for most of us who rely on video clips from Iran, blogs and foreign TV reports believed that the majority WAS with the green voters"

"We rarely ever hear from the rural areas, we do not hear from the Iranians who are not online, who do not participate in blogs and TV interviews. One 10 mile trip from the south of Tehran to the northern part demonstrates the immense cultural gap in Iran's society. "

"It shouldn't come as a surprise to see this silent majority win the election for their candidate, as disappointing as it is for most of us abroad"

So they rural silent majority won the elction and the minority who "fill the streets" and "we see on vieos" lost? RIGHT????

and then you even talked about how " next four years would be different from the last four."

Results represnted majority - That is what they say too and that is why Ahamadinejad supporters here are thanking you so much for your lovely blog!

Majority won. Accept it. "4 MORE YEARS"

This is the PERFECT example of an Apologist to remember while people are giving blood:

"It shouldn't come as a surprise to see this silent majority win the election for their candidate, as disappointing as it is for most of us abroad"

Rosie

No worries! and I read your post before it was deleted!

Prince,.I'm.very.sorry.about.the.dots..I'm..

getting.my.keyboard.fixed.tomorrow..

Actually.the.post.I'd.wanted.you.to.read.was.addressed.to.you.

and.to.Irandokht..but.it's.been.deleted,.I.happen.to.feel.it.was.a.

perfectly.acceptable.post.but.that's.fine..It's.a.very.tough.call.

for.the.moderator.to.choose.what.should.and.shouldn't.be.here.

under.such.volatile.conditions.

So.I'll.just.repost.the..essential.ideas.in.a.somewhat.different.

way.so.there's.no.question.of.their.acceptability..It's.fine..

Unfortunately.I.can't.do.anything.right.now.about.the.dots..I'll.

just.have.to.keep.on.posting.with.them..Take.care.

Thanks Rosie

Just needed to vent. If my post didn't do the job of calming me, stopping at every word on your post, thinking it is the end of the sentence, certainly did!! The distraction could be annoying and soothing at the same time!

Jaleho..and.just..who.are....

And.just.who.are.these.'ALL.UGLY.LOSERS".whose.mouths.you.

would so.shut?

Names?.avatars?.identities?.addresses?

Could.you.be.more.specific,.please?

***

You.wrote.the.first.blog.here.on.these.election.results.two.days.

ago..You.ended..by.gloating.about.how.tomorrow."we".would.see.

who.the."sore.losers".really.are.and.you.thought.that.was.oh.so.

funny..

It.is.now.the.day.after.tomorrow.

***

Showdown.at.the.Okay.Corral,.Jaleho..

Showdown.at.the.Okay.Corral.

Iranian.com needs a new avatar

For gloating Ahmadinejad supporters. 

//eardevol.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/monalisa_has_chador.jpg

The vote is clearly rigged and no amount of psuedo reasoning will alter this fact. It appears that Ahmadinejad has performed a 'Shaq Ol Qammar'. 

WINNERS never protest VICTORY unless,

The sore LOSERS get too "por roo" and violent. Then naturally they'll come out to show their real power. Mousavi is now going too far with his delusions. He should come out gracefully and accept a defeat.

Alternative is scary because if 25 MILLION Iranians who WON the election get mad at a LARGE NUMBER OF KIDS WHO LOST and can't accept it pour in the street, then we'll see some REAL VIOLENCE.

But, at the same time, the presence of winners would be so massive which would shut the mouth of ALL UGLY LOSERS!!!

The white house has more wisdom to realize that they have to deal with REAL IRANIAN MAJORITY, not their own delusions. Will Iranian SORE LOSERS have as much grace as the white house??!!

Dear IRANDokht,

Sorry, I just couldn't open that other link. I fisrt opened your other statistics link which thankfuylly had the numbers to show how silly those fraud claims were, both for Iran election and the US election. It took me a while to analyze the data in many different format, in particular the US data for comparison could be plotted in many different similar waves, and I wanted to make sure that I'll get that perfect line of FRAUD any possible way I plot it, to prove how absurd those claims were :-)

Then just for fun,  I wanted to show that if an "ECONOMIST" used that kind of "statistics," he could make $billions in the stock market by being able to predict the next day value of DOW and Nazdaq, so you see I had to load bunch of stock market data....:-) :-)

In short, by the time I came back to your other link, it said it is broken. Maybe it got old and there's a new link you can provide?

 Thanks.

Dear "Irandokht"

I know someone working in the Home Office, at least I can trust him definitely, so I'm quite sure these results are true.

MiNeum71

I also received an email with similar numbers, but the fact is that none of the results, official or non-official cannot be proven. Iran does not have an international monitoring of the voting system and the numbers that are given cannot in fact be disputed nor proven fraudulent as unbelievable as they are.

Here's what I received in email

کارمندان وزارت کشور دادن بیرون:

افراد واجد شرایط رای:              49322412
افراد شرکت کننده در انتخابات:      42026078
تعداد آرای باطله:                       138716
میرحسین موسوی خامنه:          19075623
کروبی:                              13387104
محمود احمدی نژاد:                   5698417
محسن رضایی میرقائد:                 3754218

IRANdokht

Unofficial Results (Iranian Home Office)

Mousavi 45,54%, Karroubi 31,95%,
Ahmadinejad 13,60%, Rezai 8,91%

Thanks for your comments

Thanks for the link azadi55. I certainly believe that Karrubi should have had a lot more votes than what was announced, his results were completely unbelievable.

Mr Prez aziz, I agree that there is no going back and as you said the genie is out of the bottle. 

To come here with jokes (ahmadibuddy) or insults (The Prince aziz please calm down!) or general posts from other blogs only means that my point was lost on you. Either you read the blog and the comments or you didn't. Not my problem, but commenting on the title or a couple of chosen words from the blog that you probably scanned quickly renders your comment irrelevant.

Rosie you apparently just scanned the post to find a reason to attack again. I am getting used to your personal put downs. Nothing new, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and try to explain the point you seem to have missed.

People of Iran were being led by the boycotters to commit the same mistake as 4 years ago and the results would have been not only a victory for hardliners but no indication to the world as how Iranians really feel about their current government. Nobody really expected a complete honest and precise vote count, we can't even expect such things from well established democracies in the world...Now those who were pushing for a boycott (not meant the ones whore fused to vote without trying to recruit to the camp) have no right to continue their preachings. 

Witnessing the hopeful Iranian youth participating in the campaigns, following the debates, going to the booths and casting their votes was a great experience for any Iranian. Then they realized that the supreme leader of their country is biased and capable of dismissing their votes (without any explanation or even regards for the huge number of their votes called anyone who causes trouble an enemy) which could not have been accomplished no matter how many expatriates and the old opposition parties in diaspora had insisted on it. If Khamenei had approached these voters with less rigidity and shown respect instead of accusing them to cause unrest, the demonstrations would not have escalated to riots and uprising. 

Now please don't tell me that my heart doesn't break for all those who are risking their lives these days trying to voice their disenchantment, or that someone with no ties to this people has more concerns for their well being than I do. This is a process and has become a grass root movement in the country. The people involved are well aware of the risks and they are in the leading role. Either support them or get out of their way.

If anyone who's looking at this process from the outside with limited
knowledge of Iranian psyche and Iran's history wants to reduce it to a
child play in the schoolyard then so be it. It won't change the reality
and it's not worth commenting on.

Jaleh jan

you certainly have a way to get people all riled up my friend! what do you think about the other link in the blog and the rohanioon-e mobarez? 

IRANdokht

perfect apologist

After reading this I can confidently say the writer is perfect example of an apologist for Ahmadinejad's fake win.

Baba akheh "are you kidding" ham haddi dareh!!

Yeki nist be in hezbollahihayeh goosaleh keh inja enghadr mozakhraf migan bege keh akhe olaghha, if this election was such a fair election and 62% actually voted for that bipedar, where in the HELL are they?!! Howcome that 62% are not out in the street dancing?!!! or stoppng these riots? Howcome every clip that is coming from Iran is our brave young ones keh daran har chi fohsheh khaharo madareh nesareh geda ali va ahmaghi nejad  va jad o abadeshoon mikonan?? Oh, all of the sudden they disappeared? If the majority of Iranians voted for that low life monkey, howcome all the SMS and cell phones are disconnected? Barayeh ammmatoon? Akheh baba "are you kidding" ham haddi dareh!! 

 I am just utterly disgussted by these Pseudo intellectuals here trying to have a "civilized" discussion with the Gestapo about the deep spiritual meaning of Kabala!! What are you people smoking? We are being played once again! We are sitting here with nice glass of Merlot, trying to discuss and rationalize and to see whether this is yet another tiny winy step towards democracy, and Ahh, ...whether this election was really fair or not!! ARE YOU F......ING KIDDING ME?!!!  Don't you see that there has been a COUP here? Don't you see that people are being brutalized, arrested, beaten, killed by thousands?  People are drwoning and you are sitting here with your Hezbollahi freinds describing the texture of water!! Vaghean keh "are you Kidding" ham Haddi Dareh!

Good post!

Thank you IRANdokht for the hopeful twist you provide and appreciate the links to voting result.

"This movement would not have taken place if these Iranians had boycotted the election, they couldn't have made a point by silence alone. The point I was making is that the election opened up the discussions and created a movement which seems to be escalating since I wrote this." I totally agree. But I also fear the bloodshed out of this.

This is Coup d'Etat pure and simple...

By the forces of ultra-right with repression and Estebdaad! Yet, the Iranian youth' Social Revolution which has already begun and gained more momentum with the Green Movement will go on and on... specially now that the election is officially labeled as fraud by Iranian public. Folks, genie is out of the bottle and yes there is no turning back!

Twisted.logic.(re.my.repost.below)

The.post.I.re-posted.below.came.from.Nazy's.blog.and.was.

written.implicitly.in.response.to.a.vindictive,.hate-mongering

individual.fromthe.Abstentionist.camp.who.misses.no.

opportunity.to.ridicule.and.attempt.to.shame.anyone.who.

voted.in.the.most.flagrant.ways.

Having.clarfied.that,.let.me.now.also.clarify.that.to.claim

that.any.person.or.group.who.made.a.principled.choice,(often.

after.long.debate.both.with.others.here.and.elsewhere,.and

with.their.own.consciences).is.irrelevant.is.unfair.to.begin

with.

First.of.all,.to.claim.someone.or.some.group.is.irrelevant

implies.that.in.some.fundamental.way,.they.do.not.exist,.or

exist.somehow.less.than.others,.within.a.particular.

context.the.parameters.of.which.are.drawn.by.the.

claimant.

Okay,.fine,.if.you.are.comfortable.with.that.implicit.

claim,.or.even.if.you.disagree.with.my.assertion.that.

such.claim.exists,.let's.look.at.the.twisted.logic.part:

Prinipled.abstentions.urged.non-voting.largely.on.basis.

that.the.election.results..would.be.fraudulent,. or.at..very

least.would.lead.to.grave.disenchantment.with.the.system,

expressing.deep.concerns.that.the.overbrimming.hopes.of

the.green.youth.would.soon.be.dashed.

Now.certain.people.who.voted.with.the.green.youth.and.now.

support.them.strugglng.to.overcome.these.dashed.hopes.

in.the.face.of.fires.and.police.batons,.precisely.because.they.

now.believe.the.results.were.fraudulent,.are.claiming.that.

these.principled.abstentionists.are.irrelevant..

Why?.Because.they.were.prescient?.If.they.were.able.to.

predict.this,.then.how.is.such.intelligence,.offered

with.the.best.interests. of.the.people.at.heart,.irrelevant?

We.are.all.familiar.with.the..phenomenon.of.the.schoolyard.

kid..thumbing.his.nose.at.another.kid.and.going,.'Na.na.

na,.I.told.you.so!'

But.'na.na.na.,.YOU.told.ME.so.'....

now..THAT'S.original!

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Twisted.logic...

Thanks for fair blog and DATA IRANdokht!

So rare to see a fair and civil discussion coming from the loser side ;-)

More importantly and I guess because you tend to be more analytical than average reader here who shows a linear fit of 6 or 7 AGGREGATED points to PROVE election fraud, you actually provided the EXACT NUMBERS and details of data!

Not only that, you provided a site visited by people who actually understand statistics who commented there, and provided similar data analysis for the Obama-Mc Cain election.  As you can see in the Nate Silver's comment here, there is the data for US election in which you can see a perfect linear fit with the same near perfect R^2, which people like Captain Ayhab would consider a MASSIVE ELECTION FRAUD BY OBAMA!! some scientist here :-)

look at this Obama and Ahmadinejad lines and see which one is prettier and more rigged!! Make sure that you click on Nate Silver's complete coment)

//www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Both.voting.and.not.voting.for.most.(re-post)

by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sat Jun 13, 2009 06:44 PM PDT

people.here.were.choices.made.in.a.principled.way.with

the.best.interests.of.the.country.at.heart..And.trust.me,.as.a.\

non- Iranian,.the.decision.was.by.no.means.black.and.white.

The.only.people.who.did.the.wrong.thing.are.the.ones.who.,

REGARDLESS.OF.WHETHER.THEY.VOTED.OR.NOT,.are

making.fun.of.or.trying.to.hurt.other.people.for.the.choice.

they.made. They.never.made.a.principled.choice.They.are

incapable.of.dong.such.a..thing.

These.people.are.on.NO.ONE's.side.except.the.side.of.hate.

 They.have.nothing.constructive.whatsoever.to.offer.and.at

this.point.are.best.ignored.

Everyone.who.respects.the.principled.choice.of.the.others.is.

on.the.same.side.That.is.the.side.of.democracy,.it.is.the.

DEFINITION.of.democracy.

Whether.pro.or.anti-IRI.and.no.matter.to.what.degree.if

you.are.making.fun.of.other.people's.decisions,hey,.guess.

what,.newsflash,.you.are.the.Fascist.and.would.do.exactly.

what.your.'enemies".would.do.if.you.had.the.power.

You.are.not.part.of.the.future.and.have.nothing.of.value.

to.offer.it.unless.you.examine.your.conscience.AND.your.

logic--which.would.involve.keeping.your.mouth.shut.

and.your.fingers.off.the.keyboard.for.a.good.while--so.

please.do.it.

Or.go.to.some.other.website.with.a.polarized.

propagandized..agenda.and.go.plan.your.bright.Utopia.there.

with.like-minded.unprincipled.people.

Doesn't.even.matter.where.you.go.or.what.agenda.it.has.

.Flip.a.coin.Either.way.you.will.be.among.people.on.your..

side:.the.side.of.hate

Thank you for giving us 4 more years!

people are sheding blood in the streets and you are preparing readers for 4 more years?
Thank you
Ahmadinejad's buddy

you must watch this

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=wteiMw-Oyr8

United we Stand -Divided we Fall!!

We must learn to be united against our enemy which is

Islamic TERRORIST REGIME in IRAN who have invaded our homeland since 1979.

Dear JJ and Redwine aziz

JJ toro khoda don't delete his posts, he's just going to insult more.

Dear Redwine 

I can feel your deep emotions as you always express them so well. There is no way to change the past, what was done is done and all we can do is hope for a better future, even if it is step by step. 

Thank you both

IRANdokht

listen , you can beg

poor JJ to delete my viable points,

because you are a pathetic lier and a cheat who will delete any comments exposing your pro regime agenda but get this ;

No amount of U Turn or forced deletion will cover your real agenda . your reputation precedes you

any one who read my comment saw there was absolutly nothing insulting in it for cause for deletion.

If one doesn,t have the logic or clue to face the arguments presented against her baseless rubbish then one should cease writing in public or atleast have the decency not to get em deleted & act as clueless mazloom after the fact. pitifull distortionist .

is it back to old moderating days under certain individuals? hope not because if she is back i will leave voluntarily

//www.iranianidentity.blogspot.com/

//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

...

کجا هستند آنهائ که در سال ۱۳۵۸ به جمهوری اسلامی رای دادند ؟ دستتون بشکنه ، ما فقط یک جمهوری ساده میخواستیم نه اینکه اینطور ایران و ایرانی‌ را به کثافت بکشانیم.

چقدر زور ؟ چقدر ظلم ؟ چقدر نفهمی ؟ چقدر بی‌ فرهنگی‌ ؟ چقدر خاری و چقدر نکبت و زاری ؟

سال‌ها است که از ما میدزدند و باز تقصیر را گردن دیگران می‌‌اندازیم ! بیچاره آنهائ که رای دادن ! بیچاره ایرانی‌‌ها ! بیچاره بچه‌های ایرانی‌ ! بیچاره تمدن ما ! بیچاره خود ما !

مرگ بر ایرانی‌ هایی که از این رژیم حمایت میکنند . مرگ بر ایرانی‌ هایی که هم وطن خودشون رو کتک میزنند و آزار میدهند.مرگ بر ایرانی‌ هایی که مذهب را به ایران ترجیح میدهند.

۲۹ سال از سال ۱۳۵۸ می‌گذرد و همچنان عذاب میکشیم و هر روزمان عزا است.آن آزادی که در سال ۱۳۵۷،۲۲ بهمن به دنیا آمد، بعد از چند ماه در گذشت و دیگر امکان باز گشتش میسر نشد !

این روز‌های عزا را به شما تسلیت میگویم .

ایران دخت جان از شما سپاس گذارم به خاطر این بلاگ.

Thanks for the update Sinman

"Behzad Nabavi, Zahra Mojaradi, Mohsen Mirdamadi, Said Shirdel, Abdullah Ramezan, Zohreh Aghajari had been arrested."

Dear desideratum and KB

Thank you for "getting" the point of the blog  :o)

KW: Please don't underestimate the Iranian youth's world views and political maturity or you'd sound out of touch with Iran.

Dear KB, Niloufar and Shazdeh and all

Yes this could very well be the beginning of their end. I was giving the election the benefit of the doubt by accepting that there has been tweaking involved and repeated again that because of those reasons I mentioned,  I'd even believe a great support for AN but not a landslide.

My point was that this end of IRI's oppression is coming closer with every step the Iranians are taking and the regime cannot deny the huge crowd that voted green and is demonstrating and getting beaten up even at these late hours.

This movement would not have taken place if these Iranians had boycotted the election, they couldn't have made a point by silence alone. The point I was making is that the election opened up the discussions and created a movement which seems to be escalating since I wrote this.

IRANdokht

Irandokht jan Shazdeh has a point..

Although I agree with most of your analysis the numbers and the stats do not add up, hence the protests.

The best thing about this "election" as you correctly point out is that there is no going back. The "Pandora’s box" has been opened . The people of Iran have witnessed unprecedented campaigning/mud slinging, the youth found a voice and the establishment has v clumsily divided itself.

Its now coming up to 3:25 pm Pacific time ( 3 am in Tehran) and I hear ( I do not want to be rumor mongering, some one from Iran told me on the phone) Rafsanjani and Mousavi are under house arrest and there is rioting in all major cities in Iran.

This could be the begining of the change..

Interesting Analysis

it is sad to see that some of the doostan outside of Iran "can`t see the forest for the trees".
I just hope that GitDun is in his very late 40's.

4 more years? doubt it!

This regime is heading for disaster.

How can every single opposition candidate lose in his own home town and with such a big margin? it is impossible.

the reformist movement was even more mobilised than the Khatami era - with more justification too given Ahmadinejad's failures - yet, how can their vote share be halved? it is impossible.

how can Karroubi possibly only get around 1% of the vote?

how can the 'rural vote' have such a major impact when the majority of the Iranian population is urbanised?

how come the opposition's share of the vote never shifted as more and more urban vote counts were announced? it is impossible for there to be no significant fluctutation in vote shares as the numbers are announced. Are we to believe the iranians uniformly and equally love ahmadinejad? who are we kidding?

how come iran's population is so predominantly young, yet a huge share of the vote went to a despised and conservative figure like AN or (rather) khamenei's faction?

let's face it: Khamenei and Ahmadinejad are traitors, and it is time for this regime to go. otherwise iran is heading for a military dictatorship as there is no legitimacy to this government whatsoever.

Peace