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I don't like men
22-Aug-2008
For the longest time I've been wanting to talk about my problem with men. I mentioned something about it in my very first blog a year ago ["Hello"]. I had promised myself that as soon as the blogging tool got installed here, I would start writing about men and every other subject that fascinates or bothers me. But it's been a lot harder than I imagined. Here I am, a journalist (masalan), and I can't even talk about things that matter to me. So I'm going to take my own advice: I always tell people that when they want to write something, they should imagine they are writing a letter to their best friend, confident, lover, or whoever they feel most comfortable with.
***
I get a negative vibe from men. The more manly they are, the less appealing they get. I get along fine with the fatherly types, or those who are in touch with their "feminine side" (for lack of better expression) but the rest I can't stand. They have nothing to talk about, have no sense of humor, don't appreciate beauty, aren't open-minded...
***
Someone recently asked me why I never mention my father. It made me think. It's true: I often mention my mother, but rarely my father.
My father, Manoochehr, died when I was about to turn 15 (1977). I was in boarding school in the U.S. at the time. Ninth grade. I was pulled from class and told to go to the assistant principal's office. I don't remember his words. He was brief and to the point. I didn't break down and cry. I didn't ask any questions, like how my father had died (his heart had finally collapsed. He had a history of heart trouble and was frequently hospitalized all during his relatively short life. He was 52.) I didn't know how to react. "Passed away"? Dead? What does that mean?
Hours later I was standing around outside the cafeteria. Our principal, a tall gentle cowboy of sorts, walked over to me, opened his arms and held me without saying a word. I started bawling.
My father knew he was dying. A couple of months before he and my older brother Roger visited me at the school. It was surreal. My father was wearing an orange suede suit, looking very cool and relaxed. Was that a mustache he was growing? I think so. And smoking a cigarette?! He wouldn't swallow the smoke. Probably didn't know how. I guess he was just experiencing things he never had before leaving this world.
I looked up to him and had great respect for him. I could see that he was good and kind with people and had many close friends. And he was immensely adored by his family. Even today when his brothers and sisters, my aunts and uncles, see me, they see Manoochehr's son. When they introduce me to his old friends and acquaintances, I'm "pesar-e Manoochehr-e khoda biyaamorz."
We watched the landing on the moon together, and Mohammad Ali capturing the World Heavyweight championship -- and of course the incredible Brazilian squad led by Pele in the 1970 World Cup, thanks to the arrival of live TV. But we weren't exactly "buddies". I think he held my hand twice and I only remember one occasion: We were walking home from the movies one night. It was so unusual, and meant so much to me, that it stuck in my mind.
I watched him, mostly, reading books, listening to classical music, entertaining friends and visiting foreign dignitaries as head of the oil company public relations.
Like many fathers of his generation, he would give me a good beating when I misbehaved. I used to tease the hell out of my little sister, and was generally a major trouble maker. And my grades deteriorated year after year and I was terrified of showing him my report card.
The longest conversation we had was about sex and that didn't last more than a few minutes. I had found an unused condom in the yard when I was 13 or so. I showed it to my mother and told her I had found a strange looking "balloon". It was time for my father to have a talk with me. We went to my room and sat on the bed. All he said was that I should use a condom when with a girl so that she wouldn't get pregnant. There was no explanation about how to use the condom or even sex itself.
***
I still dream about my father, maybe 2-3 times a year. The situation is always similar: He suddenly appears out of the blue. I'm shocked, and thrilled, that he's not dead, but he doesn't seem to be bothered. And he doesn't really clarify where he has been all this time or what he's doing right now or where he lives.
The last dream was about three months ago and this is how I remember it: I was in Los Angeles watching TV in a college girl's apartment. The girl was coming on to me heavily. My father was sitting on the couch next to me. Like all the other dreams about him, I was amazed he was alive. Again he was evasive about why he didn't tell anyone he was not dead. The TV was showing a film and he was playing a part in it. It was so weird that I had to tell a bunch of guy friends as we walked in a park. I interrupted one of them. I knew the story would blow their mind. I told them: Get this! My dead father is not only alive, but I watched him acting in a movie!
In another part of the same dream, I wanted to go and see my father. I went to the apartment building where he supposedly lived. The sign on the wall said "Santa Monica Apartments". But I didn't ring his bell. I thought maybe he had a guest and didn't want to be disturbed. I didn't want to show up unannounced.
Now I'm curious if there really is a place called Santa Monica Apartments. I'm sure it exists. If anyone in LA sees it by chance, let me know. I don't believe in ghosts or reincarnation or any of that stuff, but I would definitely pay a visit :o)
***
I'm so glad I have a daughter. If I had a son, I wouldn't know how to treat the poor kid. I haven't been a great father to my daughter either, but I could have been a lot worse with a son.
***
I'm not very comfortable around my two older brothers either. They are 10 years older and we didn't grow up with each other. But I think it mostly has to do with the fact that they are men :o)
I grew up with three sisters and a mother who was very much the center of the family. I remember when the two older sisters left home in Abadan to go to boarding school in England. I was 8? 9? It felt like the end of the world. I hid in one of the rooms when they were leaving for the airport. I couldn't say goodbye. I cried my heart out.
***
I didn't think it was THAT big of a deal until I told my mother and younger sister. I was 28 and going to college in Albuquerque, New Mexico. We were driving in a car, going somewhere. Those two were talking it up. Mostly gossip. I didn't say much, as usual. I listen and observe. A lot of times when I do talk, it's without thinking. Maybe I need practice. Anyhow, I decided to share something too.
"You remember my first private tutor when I was a kid? That jerk would sit me on his lap and feel my nuts!"
There was a long silence.
"What?! What did he do? Which tutor?!..." My mother was particularly shocked.
I still hadn't realized the gravity of what I had revealed.
"Yeah! A few minutes before the end of our study sessions, he would tell me stories as he rubbed me down there. I was just a kid in elementary school. I didn't understand what he was doing. I didn't feel threatened or anything. It wasn't a big deal."
Well, apparently it was a big deal. So big that we didn't talk about it ever again.
***
I want to say that I would kick the shit out of that pathetic man if he was standing in front of me right now. But I couldn't.
***
It was Charshanbeh Soori. A few of my male junior high school friends and I were wearing chadors and doing "ghaashogh zani", going door to door banging on our pot with a spoon, asking for ajil and candy -- just like kids in costume during Halloween in the U.S. When the night was over, I stood on the side of the street to get a taxi to go home. A car stopped and the driver offered a ride. The exclusive oil company community in Abadan was as safe as you could imagine. Parents didn't worry about their kids' safety, the way you normally would. I got in the back seat. There was another man sitting in front. He kept saying how cute I looked with the chador. It was so creepy. "Should we let him go home?" one of them said to the other. I was so scared, petrified. I was sure they were going to rape or even kill me. It was only a five-minute drive to our home but it felt like eternity. Nothing happened and I got home safe -- but not sound.
***
I blame men for all the wars and violence in the world. Although their terrible reign is fading, slowly but surely. Women are on the rise everywhere and thanks to them we are all getting kinder and gentler. It takes time, effort and lots of love. Do your part.
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All fathers of small children should read this
by roleoffathers (not verified) on Sat Aug 23, 2008 08:50 AM PDTHow Do Fathers Fit In?
There is a tendency today to speak of 'parents' or 'carers' rather than 'mothers' or 'fathers'. People often say that the most important thing in raising children is to give them lots of love, something that all parents can do, regardless of whether they are a mother or a father. However, there are also many ways that mothers and fathers can bring unique strengths to their relationships with their children. In real people's lives, you can see these contributions, and they have been measured by social scientists. Fathers-just like mothers-always matter...read the rest below:
//www.civitas.org.uk/hwu/fathers.php
by the way
by Souri on Sat Aug 23, 2008 09:25 AM PDTWhy some of the commentators talk about " MAN HATING" ?
This is not what I understood from JJ's article. The whole thing he is talking about is that he is more comfortable with women than he is with
men. I know, JJ has some very good male friends.
Why we (Iranian) always tend to first, intimidate and belittle people, then attack them by the non sense accusation ? JJ is a father, don't forget this. Her
daughter reads all those comments too. Of course she is more intelligent
and moved on than being influenced by these absurdities, but....think
about your way. Is this Human ?
Just because he said " He doesn't like men" is that enough reason for you to get mad at him and kill his image by all those non-sense ? Did you really read his article entirely ? Did you understand what he means really ?
I am wondering, how does it feel good for you "men" trying to dehumanize and ridicule another man ? Do you think that you are really helping? Isn't that a proof of what he said, is absolutely right ?
Reply to PMK
by Souri on Sat Aug 23, 2008 07:17 AM PDT"Women love to dehumanizes men as either villain or stupid. Our mothers are perfect example of this. Dehumanizing men took an astronomical proportion when organized mothers ( feminist movement) declared war on masculine energy...."
This view, maybe true in today's West, but for sure it does not
correspond to Iran's yesterday society and not even today. In Iran, we
have other values in the family which are completely different from
the West. The Feminism movement in Iran took a more active pace, since 30 years ago. It is more about fighting the government and its Islamic rules, while the woman in general has and always had her own value respected in the family, especially as a Mother.
In Iranian culture, Father, has always been a symbol of POWER and RESPECT for the children and their mom, and Mother is the symbol of AFFECTION and EDUCATION. Of course, this is a general trend I am talking about. We could always see some exception there, but very minors.
Your description of the " Family rules and position" here, make me believe that you are 1) a non Iranian or born here in the West and 2) have no clue of how is ruling a Family in Iran.
Our mothers in Iran, not only didn't (and don't now) dehumanize the
Fathers, but in some degree, they were even intimidated by the authority
of their husband.
You can not compare Iran's yesterday family culture, with today's Western diaspora.
I believe your point of view here is not objective and misplaced (if the word is correct in English ?)
No gender is to apologize, no gender is to glorified. We are not at war, dear.
One more thing..
by Parthian on Sat Aug 23, 2008 02:02 AM PDTMay be my father being tough is what is making me do all these extreme sports these days. So I have a proposal for you, it is life transforming proposal. If you still can not seem to get over this man-hating issue, let me know, I will take you scuba diving in Tahoe, high altitude diving at 46 F in September. JJ, I am being serious. The loneliness, and serenity of abyss is an awesome way to adjust one's perspective.
JJ, kheili sheitoony mashallah
by Parthian on Sat Aug 23, 2008 01:49 AM PDTWell done JJ, way to score with the ladies here. I have to tell you though, you seem to have some deep emotional issues. Call Holakuyee, he might be able to help.
If you think that by women ruling the world, it will be a much more peaceful place, I guarantee that you are dead wrong. When given power, human beings are all corruptable. Women can be as vicious as men if not more. Look at the women CEOs, i.e. Carly Fiorina of HP, she was one of the most ruthless CEOs in the industry, ran HP in a Nixonesque fashion. Sure the world would probably be more touchy-feely place. So they will kill you while they are in touch with your deeper feelings; does it really make a difference? Women can be as cold, calulative and violent as men.
I also agree with one of the commentators here. The more men are in touch with their feminine feeling, the more they seem to display passive-aggressive behavior. They seem really peaceful in the public, but go medieval in private.
Honestly, stop this nonsense, get to know some good men, and establish real friendship. Talk about football, guns, fishing, sports and try to make connections. Men connect differently than just by mere expression of their feeling. You seem either so p***y-whipped or gay. Something is hugely wrong with the first, nothing is wrong with the latter, but if you are the latter, just come out of closet already. It is all good, and you are near Berkeley, you should fit right in. Fathers are supposed to be tough (not abusive), I am glad my father was tough, but I always knew that he loved me. The world is a tough place. What does not kill you makes you stronger.
I don't like people much
by fandogh (not verified) on Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:07 PM PDTwhat's there to like?
Hit the Right Spot - Memories .......
by sbglobe on Fri Aug 22, 2008 09:31 PM PDTJJ jan not really knowing you in person (although we did meet once in DC area) but knowing you a bit via your writing at best I will fit into "whoever they feel most comfortable with". Good Stories and Well Written!
My mothers’ eye!
by PMK (not verified) on Fri Aug 22, 2008 08:29 PM PDTHello my brother. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really related to words.
So, here is what I have discovered about my journey.
My mothers’ eye!
I believe, many men look at the world from their mothers’ point of view. Take a good look at all the “women pleaser” around us. The only thing they have learned is to jump up and down for women. Look at all the men around us who fought for women’s right, even more than women do. Look at all the men around us, who act stupid.
When you look closely, you would see you and I . This behavior does not come from our inner soul, it is learned behavior. We learned it from our mother. We had to learn it in order to survive. But we art grown up now, we don’t have to look at the world like a little boy
Where is my father?
Women love to dehumanizes men as either villain or stupid. Our mothers are perfect example of this. Dehumanizing men took an astronomical proportion when organized mothers ( feminist movement) declared war on masculine energy. There is a relentless attack on us with the objective of portraying us as tyrant. Perhaps, if they look at the mirror, they would see who the real tyrant is. Somehow, I think they don’t really need the mirror to face the truth. They already know.
But, how about me? I am neither stupid nor villain. Certainly, I am not tyrant. How can I free myself from this? I need my father to teach me how! Where is my father? Where is my father to show me how to be strong ? Where is my father to show me the glory of being a men? I couldn’t find him. Like you, I lost my father. You lost yours to higher power and I lost mine to modern era work ethics.
Traditionally, the boys were hanging out in the farm with their fathers. They learned how to connect to their masculine energy. But in modem time, for one reason or another, we hang out with our mothers. We never made a transformation from boyhood to men hood. We walk around confused, numb sad, stupid. We keep thinking what happened.
We are glorified gender, We don’t have to apologies.
PMK
Let's talk about Iran darling
by Jaleho on Fri Aug 22, 2008 06:20 PM PDTHow do Iranians like MY hat?
NO??!! DELETED.
Mamnoon :o)
by Jahanshah Javid on Fri Aug 22, 2008 05:50 PM PDTThank you everyone for your kind and considerate replies. I am especially thankful because obviously this is a difficult subject to discuss in public and you have been very graceful in your replies. Also I hope we will all stick to the subject and do not make this page, at least, another excuse to fight over religion and politics.
JJ, You're one of a kind!
by Bravo! (not verified) on Fri Aug 22, 2008 04:59 PM PDTBravo! You're a maverick and highly self-actualized human being. Congrats.
Don't listen to our Iranian rednecks like Derakshan,jaleho,anonymouse....
I don't like men either
by programmer craig on Fri Aug 22, 2008 04:46 PM PDTAnd I never have! Most of my friends are women, and my favorite co-workers and bosses are always women. I'm not going to psychoanalyze myself to try to figure out why that is, though. Suffice it to say I don't react well to the pissing contests a lot of guys like to engage in! The one time I did get along well with guys was when I was in the Marines, and I think that's only because the power structure is very well defined, and the boundaries cannot be crossed. But even then, I still disliked civilian guys.
Unlike you though, I dislike the more "feminine" or "open minded" men a bit more than macho types. They still play a man's game, they just do it differently. They tend to be more passive-aggressive and back stabbing about it. I guess when I have to deal with males I'd rather everything be out in the open. My 2 cents worth on that one!
Jaleo did I talk about my religion in this blog?
by Tahirih on Fri Aug 22, 2008 04:45 PM PDTThen why are you bringing my religion into this ?
This blog is not a place for your hate propaganda, it is about young men being abused by other men and some other personal stuff, go spread hate in your own blog. Fair, did I say why you exist, or talk? all I am saying is get out of places that makes you look really bad!
This is my last reply to you, Jaleo,
Tahirih
Dear JJ
by persian westender on Fri Aug 22, 2008 04:41 PM PDTThanks for sharing of another honest and sincere piece.
Your dislike of men evidently comes from your personal experiences, which can not be the foundation for a general conclusion (men/masculine side are evil) because simply it is not shared by many others. I could have a friend that could have a bitter and abusive experience with her/his mother and have a very negative viewpoint toward women. S/he can definitely can express their feelings and impressions to the gender, but make it a case for general agreement is bit of work! if you’re saying men/masculine side, are culprit for the wars and many miseries and harshness of the world, and it can be softened by feminine approaches; it seems a bit oversimplification to me. Angella Merker of Germany is a women and she follows POLITICS and not the masculinity rules of engagement. It is the same path that is followed by her counterparts regardless of their genders. Politics has many evil elements and it needs to be humanistic. I’m not defending men and I personally may pursue the activities which may not be fit with the gender roles (and I’m not ashamed of it). However, it is not very clear to me under what circumstances the 'feminine aspects' of a men emerges. Obviously the social changes play a big role. Now a days many activities which used to be feminine, turn to being asexual and are seen regardless of the gender orientation. Let's not forget this applies to other gender as well. Many activities which were in the domain of men are increasingly seen as asexual.
Now that You candidate yourself for grilling!
by samsam1111 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 08:56 AM PDTLets be frank..May I?
"I don,t like men"
I have said before,,Iranian men have failed miserably for 14 cent in running the land .Time for women to take control..that much I agree with you.
"Open minded, . , "
lol..You are just like the rest of us baffoonic Men..
With all due respect..I beg to differ. Yes You are open minded to the extent of the views that correlates to the concepts & values that You hold dear to yourself all through childhood, IRI cultural themes and adult life..and now We have Mr Jahanshah Javid the Athiest, Reformist anti IRI whose core identity still carries some seeds of the past & his views on the concept of Iran & the world are undeniably what He was thaught of & grew with as a young man. Remember You not naming your daughter a Persian 1st name since you found it "Taghooty"..I believe that train of thought still follows You today in some form that You called my writings in one or two occasion "bigoted & racist" without having an open mind to go deeper to see what the real message was. This site is a mini JJ ,one needs to check your front page to find out how open You are..the articles are either anti Islam(your atheist stand).reformist Islamist anti IRI, reformist version of our heritage, poetry( Your style ofcourse)..etc...& the rest ignored because subconsciously makes you question your core identity & your version of Iran & the world! So how open minded are you?
"sense of humor"
Very loaded phrase ..You may not like my satire or Bernard Shaw may not laugh at Yours.They say having a sense of humour is the sign of intelligence but having some is okay.
"appreciate beauty"
Another loaded phrase...I may not like your type of art per say like modern New Jersey Statue park & You don,t like the drawings I sent you on ancient Iran or dadada...
We all make wrong judgments in our life and tend to generalize & transfer our flaws in,to the wider gender. After all You are a man & a mirror to your own gender, find your failed judgments through out your personal life and I bet You feel as one of us men as well
Truly Hope I wasn,t too opinionated or invasive...Best Regards & Thanks for the opportunity You gave us all to write in Jahanshah world (Jahan)
Tahireh
by Jaleho on Fri Aug 22, 2008 04:03 PM PDTlike I said, unless the posts are not deleted at the whim of the site controller who happened to post his own personal blog and then decided to allow some offensive irrelevant anti-Islam post remain while removing the replies to those offensive posts.....
then the site can continue with contributions of those few Zionists and Bahais like yourself. You can continue your valuable posts like James Bond's trip 30 years ago to see HIS majesty of Iran, or post Barbara Walters anti-Iranian propaganda so OLD from the time that she attracted people by sounding shocked rhather than trying to shock people with her infidelity :-)
This was very moving JJ
by AnonymousHaha on Fri Aug 22, 2008 03:47 PM PDTYou are very brave to come out with this story. Thanks for sharing this.
selfish and self centered people,!!!!
by Tahirih on Fri Aug 22, 2008 03:36 PM PDTI find it absolutely appalling that , JJ has opened up to us so courageously and a few self centered supposedly adults have hijacked his blog to bring the attention to themselves , and they even have more obnoxious people to ask for the reason of the removal of such a selfish remarks.
The distraction is so much that a very sensitive commentator " ballless" is getting lost in this forum of unrelated comments!!!
Why don't you go away and start self admiring blogs , and I am sure you will get lots of attention. Or just behave your age and grow up!!!
shame on you,
Tahirih
Asghar Taragheh
by Fred on Fri Aug 22, 2008 02:40 PM PDTAn engulfed fire does not require any fanning, it is self destructive. As the very first comment to this blog shows breaking taboos and social strictures take a pioneering and brave person. I simply took the opportunity to accentuate a subject that this blog and unfortunately very few likewise socially conscientious others presented me with. The Islamist republic that we all love, enjoy and are proud of is the direct result of a thousand and one social malady. It is high time to publicaly launder them with the help of this technology. As for the Islamists who try to equate Islamism with Islam the fa ith, bon chance.
not good
by Anonymous101 (not verified) on Fri Aug 22, 2008 02:37 PM PDTIt is better to confront such an attitude than to indulge in it. Similarly there are many who just do not like blacks, Indians, Arabs, French, English, women, you name it. And quite possibly they've had bad experiences with each of the groups to trigger their attitude and wish to blame the moon and the sun to indulge in their state.
In this case it is particularly bad because it automatically means that not only you do not like billions of people but you do not like your own self. Indulging in such an attitude will only bring misery on top of misery.
Jahanshah
by Kaveh Nouraee on Fri Aug 22, 2008 02:08 PM PDTThat took a lot of guts to open up like that.
I find that men who try to act more "manly" (I never liked that word...just has a weird sound to me) usually are the most insecure. Not only do they have nothing to offer, they usually suck all of the positive energy out of a room.
It seems that despite these setbacks (probably not the best word, I'm sorry) you have risen above it. That indicates a strength that even the toughest men can't even dream of.
Sorry Asghar Tarragheh
by Jaleho on Fri Aug 22, 2008 02:08 PM PDTYou or Irandokt are irrelevant, unless one of you are the ones who deleted my message.
And although it is absolutely none of your business whom I hate or like, my very best friends are Jews whom I love. Just to see if I can make you mind your own business and allow me to clarify for myself and other readers the rules and regulations and criteria for deletion of posts in site. Who decides it and by what rule?
Jaleh
by Asghar Taragheh on Fri Aug 22, 2008 01:55 PM PDTYou are wrong. Fred said the word "Islamist" . He did not say Muslims. You went all the way as you usually do with "Torah" "Jews" "Zionists", "Israel".....JJ was talking about the death of his father for heaven's sake.
Its not the same. It went to far and it did not belong on this blog. You can start your own blog regarding how much you hate jews and I am sure it won't get removed. There are others who do it hear.
JJ has already said that it is a subjective thing on removing blogs. You went to far. Fred also has gone to far by reposting what you said to fan your flames of hatred. To be fair, it was not necessary for him to do that.
Fathers & Sons
by PedramMoallemian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 01:47 PM PDTHope this doesn't get lost with the irrelevant comments, but thanks JJ for sharing such a personal story. Wish more of us could learn and bare their souls not only as a communal practice of cleansing but also to shed light on our common experiences. I am lucky to still have both parents around in my 40's and next time I see my dad, your story will be front and center on my mind in trying to take as much in with a man that doesn't easily give much voluntarily.
Pedram Moallemian
Absolutely Unacceptable
by TheMrs on Fri Aug 22, 2008 01:36 PM PDTI would like an explanation from the censorship too. No disrespect for anyone. But if Fred's comment which I found very offensive wasn't removed, Jaleho's shouldn't have been either. As part of the general public, I demand an explanation for this party bazi style editorship that takes place here, over and over. If insults are not allowed, then let's be fair and remove all of them. The "editor" who removed Jaleho's comment should be held accountable to why Fred's very offensive remark wasn't deleted as well.
If a satisfactory and logical explanation isn't given and if the rules of engagement aren't consistenly followed, the only conclusion I can draw is that some people and their ideas are being promoted here by virtue of the fact that they don't get moderated. Or they get moderated at a slower pace allowing everyone to see it.
Jaleho, please repost your response to Fred. This is a public forum. If we are to beleive that all of our ideas should be heard than Jaleho's response, although as offensive to me as Fred's idiotic commment, shouldn't be removed.
Play fair or don't claim that you play fair.
JJ
by Adel (not verified) on Fri Aug 22, 2008 01:34 PM PDTI respect you for the honesty of your blog. Don't listen to any idiot making jokes about your orientation. If you receive negative feedback from this blog, it is simply b/c others are too insecure or immature. You're awesome, my friend!
Stay focused
by Anonymous. (not verified) on Fri Aug 22, 2008 01:34 PM PDTیک دفعه شد ما یک موضوع را شروع کنیم و از بحث خارج نشیم. همش زیر سر این ژاله یا بهتر بگم کله درخشان هست.
این جهانشاه زحمت کشیده این بلاگ را نوشته برای من، شما و خاطر دل خودش خرابش نکنید دیگه.
برگردید سر موضوع.
That's the problem Fred!
by Jaleho on Fri Aug 22, 2008 01:30 PM PDTYou cut my message, take all of its content away to make a DOUBLE PROPAGANDA, and this is allowed, but not the content of my message!!
Asghar Tarragheh
by Jaleho on Fri Aug 22, 2008 01:23 PM PDTFred's comment was his typical general deragatory tone towards Muslims. I made a comment to counter that and there was nothing "betarbyati" in that.
I do not care about YOU telling me to tone down what ever I say. If I stop writing here, it is definitely the site's loss, I can write in other places on the net where there's no censorship based on PERSONAL FEELINGS. This site can keep its precious few Kashanis and Freds and few Bahais to pat each other's back, or few regulars to gossip all they want. However, I want a public explanation from the site's general manager as why Fred's comment was left there and my answer to him was taken out.
This is for the general public's sake to know what type of a site they visit, and who takes the liberty to moderate some comments and leave the others for everyone to view.
Jaleh
by Fred on Fri Aug 22, 2008 01:15 PM PDTDon't you worry not only I got your profound comment I also agree with you in that your comment is very much relevent to this blog. It clearly goes to show where possibly one of the less talked about heinous problems in Iran with perverted men originates from, their sex-centric moms.
I had said: With a sex-centric worldview Islamists don’t know any better.
Your Islamist ladyship had responded with: “But hey, you should not feel so miserable about overall Jewish impotence compared to Muslim fertility!! IT IS NOT YOU(sic) FAULT FRED :-)”
I rest my case