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that's true Mehdi

I think the more sanctions and isolation are used, the more people stick with their government and believe that their religion is being attacked, etc.

and that's what Bush has done!  They threatened IRI and got engaged in jang-e zargari and all of a sudden in the past few years IRI has become the major power of the region!!!  Mr Amiri is right in her comment and reply. It's all about how much military equipment they can sell to IRI's neighbors. In the meanwhile they strengthened the regime while they pretended they were supporting Iranian people against the mullah's regime.

The people gathering at the site of accidents and hanging and even to watch sineh-zani is mostly about curiosity. I don't believe all the people who gather are necessarily approving the act. At least I hope they're... 

IRANdokht

Mehdi jaan, this is how

The third party would've agreed to clemency if the "price was right" , not a Penny less ! and THAT's when the human right was violated.

 Damn justice system IRI version!

How much? give me a $ amount for your life? I dare you!

But what about human barbarity?

I remember one time I was going to my brother's house and on my way I saw a huge crowd gathering around. I asked what was going on and I was told that a woman was going to be stoned. I was quite shocked how many people were there. I could not understand it. Probably a few thousands were already there and there were still lots of people arriving.

I think the issue is more barbarity of people that goes along with their form of government, their belief system, etc. Of course if we did in fact have an active and real UN, they could definitely do something. But I think the solution should also include positive approaches. By that I mean, the UN and others could try to talk sense into the government in a more friendly approach. Personally, I think the more sanctions and isolation are used, the more people stick with their government and believe that their religion is being attacked, etc. But if people could travel easily and phones, satellite and Internet connection would improve, it would make it hard for the government to brainwash people and also people would realize that they are being barbaric. I guess I believe in the saying that you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. This is especially true when we pay attention to the fact that there is really no fair government or institution in the world that could be trusted with forcing any other government into becoming better. They all are more interested in their greed than anything else.

Thank you

Thank you all for participating in the discussion.

The point I am trying to make here is that the human rights record of the Islamic Republic is so atrocious, it is beyond defense.  From unfair and in many instances politically motivated arrests, to unfair trials, imprisonment, torture, and execution, their record is undeniably dark.

Instead of picking on Iran over its nuclear activities, imposing sanctions against it, the United Nations, the European Union, and western countries must condemn Iran over its ill treatment of its own people.  Were there sanctions to be imposed on IRI, they should be because of IRI's human rights travesty.  But none of those governments do this and stop at small whimpers and complaints about those atrocities. 

If push comes to shove, IRI will close down its nuclear activities to stay in power.  They will stop supporting other organizations such as the Hezbollah and the Sadr followers in Iraq.  They may do all of that just to stay in power.  The only thing they will not do, because they can't, is to correct their behavior vis a vis the Iranian people to respect their human rights.  They can't, because to observe human rights for our nation would mean eliminating Velayat-e-Faghih, it would mean eliminating the Guardian Council, it would mean ending retribution (ghesas) laws.  It would mean allowing freedom of thought and expression.  It would mean treating women fairly and equally.  They can't do any of those things because it goes against the very grain of their establishment. 

Western countries do not really want to put pressure on IRI, if they did, they would focus on Iran's human rights.  The reason they don't really want to put pressure on Iran is that so long as Iran appears as a threat, they can sell arms to its neighboring countries and justify a military buildup in the region and elsewhere.  There's money in that.  There is none in human rights.

That was my point.  I might blog about this later.  Thank you for sharing your viewpoints.

concern what concern?

I had no idea life has any value in this sewer republic called IRI. This is a regime that has killed thousends in one night and we now worry about four people. didn't they kill 29 people few weeks a go?
wait till obama becomes president and give green light to mullah's then we will have be having picnic of daily execution every day! cheers.

dear Mehdi

When the justice system is flawed, when capital punishment is handed out for so many people in short period of time, sometimes for crimes that did not all deserve such an extreme punishment, when the rich can get away with murder and the poor are executed for the same crimes, when people are stoned for adultry that is not even proven, when homosexuality is punishable by death, when children are kept in prison without proper legal representation and are hanged at 18 yrs of age, when the executions happen with such a rush and without the due process, it is definitely human rights violations. People, even criminals have a right to legal representation. 

there are also plenty of people in jail now who do not belong there, activists, journalists, students, etc...  these are all human rights cases and violations. 

IRANdokht

I don't get it - what human right violation?

From what I understand, these are executions requested by a third party. Or at least, if the third party wanted, they could stop the execution. So how is this human right violation? I can imagine it is barbaric, but human right violation? How?

Yeas history will judge us.

Yeas history will judge us. We will be judged in our competence to maintain stability and prevent innocent people from being killed in chaos and disorder

Unfortunately, Mrs Amiri is just a typical Iranian elitist that likes to whine about everything with providing a solution.

Its not as if those executed are freedom-loving individuals, they are a bunch child molesters, drug smugglers, serial killers and separatist terrorists.

May I ask Mrs Amiri how she would deal with separatist terrorists? Would she allow them to go around blowing places up, killing innocent people, and adding to their members?

Do the likes of Mrs Amiri even have the competence to prevent the country from falling into chaos (and the lose of thousands of lives by the hands of thugs and terrorists)?

So yes, history will judge us. But thank god the likes of Mrs Amiri never got to power, for Iran itself would be nothing but history.

Iran hangs four men, one

Iran hangs four men, one woman

Tehran, Iran, Aug. 28 – Iranian authorities hanged five people, including a woman, in Tehran's notorious Evin Prison, state media reported on Thursday.

All five were hanged on Wednesday, the official daily "Iran" wrote.

The four men were identified as Amin, Majid, Najaf, and Vahid. They were accused of murder.

The woman was identified only by her first name Shabnam. She had been convicted of stabbing her husband to death over a divorce dispute.

Executions in Iran have sharply risen over the past two months. At least 63 people have been hanged in August, and 29 people were hanged simultaneously in Tehran on 25 July.

Over the past week, two young men, Behnam Zare and Reza Hejazi, were hanged for crimes they allegedly committed when they were 15 years old. Both were hanged without the knowledge of their lawyers or relatives.

//www.handsoffcain.info/archivio_news/200710....

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you keep making predictions... how often has your crystal ball been right so far?

who can run mullahs out if not another Jimmy Carter?! remember he made a fuss about HR during Shah's reign.

stop spreading false predictions. you're not helping Iran, you're not helping Iranians, you're only helping McBush's campaign and trust me Bush ain't a human rights advocate!

IRANdokht

how will they last?

and under pressure the mullahs would say: take away our nuclear facilities, take away our rhetoric, take it all away, but don't take this one away from us! Islamic Republic cannot rule Iran witout violating human rights, pure and simple!

well said Paymaneh

Even our Iranians abroad are not speaking up against the Human Rights violations as much as they are debating over the nuclear facilities or whether or not IRI should be sanctioned for it.

You summed it up nicely and left no room for doubt .

IRI's human rights record is its Achille's heel.  This is its most inexcusable fault, not its rhetoric and not its nuclear ambitions.  Western countries are not serious about tackling this issue with Iran.  There are many reasons for this, one of which is that there is no "business" in human rights, whereas there is money in the escalating fear of a potential war in the Middle East, translated into large-scale purchases of arms and military equipment.

I wish more people were concerned with these human rights violations, especially iranians! 

Thank you 

IRANdokht

You ain't seen nothing yet!

Wait until the next U.S. administration moves into the White House and strikes that "infamous" grand bargain (that Zbig Brzezinsky and whole other so called "Iran experts" are talking about) with the mullahs.