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if that's the best you can do,

forget it. your going to have to do better than that.

ps. i've always been a barqs girl...:-)

OK i will piss you off

I am not a girl, nor a woman. LOL

capt_ayhab [-YT]

shut you up when things are going so well?

hell no!

i agree about mothers and fathers. i can't remember the exact situation when sally field said it but it's the truth. not political parents who can and do protect THEIR children first but REAL parents. you and me who work 40-50 hours a week, shop and cook meals for our family, and clean our homes ourselves (well, only until i can find someone to do it for $50.00). parents who raise their children by themselves and who are actually involved in their lives.

i still don't think iran should become nuclear. i don't think that evening up the playing field is a rational justification. as i said, i'd rather NO ONE have nukes. and it's not about keeping iran "down" or exerting control over her. it's simply a matter of minimizing the possibilities. to be perfectly honest, i'm far more concerned about russia or korea than i am iran.

this thing with israel has really shocked me. i'm not going to get into the rights or wrongs of it but i am utterly shocked at the continued aggression in the face of so much oppostion. i hope this doesn't bring a flood of "israel is evil" comments because i'm just not going there. i AM a friend of the jews but this thing... this is bad. i keep thinking that there has to be some justification but i can't seem to find it. i don't know what is going on in their heads. but i definitely don't think palestine is innocent either. i don't think ANYONE knows exactly what is going on. the media completely distorts facts right and left. you can't be selective about when your going to believe, from either side. and i've already said more than i wanted to about that.

ok. say something to piss me off. we're agreeing too much. :-0

ps. your a very clever girl. how? or rather, why?

Dear fishie

wooow, I do hope that you did not just agree with some of my comments to have me shut up ;-) [JK]

It has become such a rare occurrence in Iranian.com  when 2 people can exchange ideas without getting angry at each other and pointing fingers. I appreciate your attitude since it is civilized[to say the least], and above all informative.

As you said, violence breaths violence. So as long as Israel and Palestine keep on killing each others children, this bloodshed is going to go on. At the expense of being an idealist, both nations need some peace and tranquility, there have been enough blood, enough lives have been destroyed. 

Perhaps best idea would be, instead of some politicians trying to negotiate faith of 2 people,  to get MOTHERS and the FATHERS from both side, who have lost their children. Get THEM on negotiating table, let THEM, with their broken hearts, ruined lives, do the negotiations, and bring peace upon these 2 nation.

Respectfully

capt_ayhab [-YT]

ps.... any relations to Americas best root beer????? ;-)

THANK YOU

i love this. a rational discussion. i'm not accusing you (personally) of anything and i greatly appreciate your not doing the same. we are taking in general here.

i'm reading and re-reading your comment and i truly can't argue with anything you've said. i agree with so many of your points and i THINK i'm saying (and HAVE said, basically the same thing).

i totally agree that God herself has nothing to do with the current situation. it's people who are doing these horrible things throughout the world and they are using religion as their excuse. WRONG.

i totally agree that no one needs nukes. and you are right again that ahmadinejad himself will not make that decision. the supreme leader can and would make that decision.

i totally agree that the west needs to change her opinion of the entire middle east, and especially of iran. just as the west is not the great satan, iranians are not barbarians.

i hope you are right in that iran will not attack the US or israel. i can't say any more than that. it speaks for itself.

i could hardly disagree with your comment about the british attitude towards the oil in iran. if the US feels that way too, i can only say that i strongly disagree with that attitude. it's iran's oil. period. no question. NO ARGUMENT. but i hope she'll continue sharing...:-)

iranians living in the west (US or otherwise) are living in the worst possible scenario. living in america as americans and being on the brink of warfare with your motherland. i simply can't imagine the grief this causes you. but america has already been through a civil war, pitting family against family. this is no different. it IS hell on earth.

the world will get through this crisis too. well, i hope so anyway. but only with the efforts of calm and rational people.

thank you so much for responding. i hope that we can continue this and other debates with that same intelligence that we both have.

god bless the world...;-)

fishie

Are you who I think you are??

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Now your are making sense..... ;o)

Perfect!

your first paragraph......... I knew you were bright and you will catch on[No sarcasm here]. I am not going to touch on American Christians and their intentions on having word[God] on the documentations, including THE green back. When I say [God given right] I mean not as in being an Islamic. I do believe in certain NATURAL rights of a person and a nation as a whole. Freedom of speech, freedom to bare arms, freedom of religion and etc. 

By [God given right] as I was clear in my prior post,  having the capability to defend ones homeland is a natural and God Given right, as it is the ability to defend ones own home. With all these said, I DO have problem with religion in government. a quick glance at history reveals all the disasters these combination has brought upon people. From dark ages, to current Iran. I do believe in God, however I do not believe in bull carp about [world being created in 7 day shit]. I am Muslim, but by no stretch of imagination I am a devout religious person.

Why Iran needs nuke???? why does anybody else need it. I wish we could destroy all of them, but reality is otherwise. What i imagine in my most horrible nightmares is a nuclear holocaust. I do not use any rhetoric when I say [God given right] when it comes to adequate defensive weaponry for a nation. I truly believe a nation should be able to protect her nationals by any means. 

Look, Iran is surrounded by bunch of mad a power hungry countries. Worst one of them all is Israel. Once Iran has the nuke, then deterrent factor will keep them at bay.

With that said, Is idea of nukes in the hands of a loony monkey like Ahmadinejad a good idea? Does he even have the power to use them? answer is hell no. But let me tell you this, so as long as west is treating Iran like we are bunch of barbarians these propaganda is gonna go o. West has to realize that Iran has to recognized as a POWER in the region. When they demonize Iran, they in fact are demonizing you and I [assuming you are Iranian]. I have a problem with that. IR regime is forced upon us by this same WEST. When I say I have problem with it, by no means I am supporting IR regime.

In one of the threads in Iranian.com I read this comment, I found it very candid and I quot:

//iranian.com/main/2009/jan/qatar-irans-bomb

[the most genuine explanation i have heard is from Obama's mouth. he
said: "...it is unacceptable as it will be a game-changer in the middle
east..."

translated it means: if iran (and by extension any other oil-rich ME
countries) get nukes, it will no longer be "what-we-say-goes" and that
is not tolerable. the old british attitude of "its our oil under their
sand" is alive and well in the west.

in time, we Americans and other western citizens will have to come
to grips with reality: "it's their resources, and the most we could
hope for is they will sell it to us if they choose to ... nothing more"....]

Without getting charged with plagiarism, this comment summarizes my exact sentiments about the issue.

Your last point, LOYALTIES:

First of all, Iran would never attack neither Israel nor US. They have too much to lose, on both sides. Iran is playing the same game Americans and Israelis playing, and that is to be recognized as a regional power. Look, name ONE war Iran has started, JUST ONE would ne sufficient. For the longest time Iran is viewed as bunch of  Islamic fundamentalist, who are sworn to destroy Jews. There are 25000 Jews living in Iran, which are represented in the parliament. Iranians and Jews go back 1000's of years.

I like for you to take a look a tiny blog I have in current.com then we will continue this dialogue.
//current.com/items/89676306/iran_paradise_on...

and finally, my loyalty is throne, like my heart. I am Iranian with USA being my second adopted home. I have lived here for 30+ years. I cant deny the fact how good this country been to me. and part of my heart is where I was borne. Do you get my drift?

Respectfully 

capt_ayhab [-YT]

p/s pardon any grammatical error, since I am in rush to catch the class.

ok. now we're getting

ok. now we're getting somewhere. the comment about god and country was more of a joke... an ice-breaker if you will. but it's also a pretty serious contradiction. it's not an idiom at all. it was an intentional and meaningful inclusion in many of the american freedom documents. it was absolutely intentional and extremely specific. i personally believe in separation between church and state. most... not all, but most non-christians are adamant about keeping them separate because they have NO religious beliefs at all. so their point of view is simple. they don't believe in god so it shouldnt be part of the government. make sense? i DO believe in God. but i don't want her involved in governmental affairs which affect my life.

ok. as far as iran having the right to have nukes. i agree in theory but not in principle. sure its fine to say that iran should have the same protection (vis a vis nuclear power) as everyone else. but in reality, when does it make sense to give TWO irrational powers a nuclear weapon. when did two wrongs make a right (oh please please ask me if i have a joke about that). i'm just saying that iran has made it clear (to me, my opinion) that she would happily wipe israel off the face of the map. i'd much rather take back ALL the nuclear weapons and destroy them. but that ain't gonna happen either. so i'm being realistic. why let iran go nuke? please don't say "because she has a god given right"... that's rhetoric. i'd like a real reason... one that makes sense.

i just realized i didn't answer your question first. if i may ask you one question first. no no... i take that back. i'm not going to evade the question before asking mine.

for the record, and i hope that you read carefully and understand AND believe me, i am adamantly opposed to the US attacking iran. period. i am opposed to isreal attacking iran. period. i have personal reasons beyond anything you could understand.

however. if iran attacks israel withOUT provocation, then iran has made an indirect attack on the US. the US will respond. if iran attacks the US withOUT provocation, the US WILL respond with my support. i cannot be any clearer about that.

as far as loyalties. i live in the US. i am an american. my loyalties are to the united states of america. talk to me about yours...:-)

Peaceful or NOT

Dear fishie

Point of the matter is, Israel being the worst TERRORIST nation EVER since Nazi Germany, currently sitting on 200 Atomic Booms. To our west, one of the most unstable countries, Pakistan is in possession of so ever many doomsday weaponry. To our north, another unstable country, Russia and all her satellites.

Asides from that, Iran has every right to both atomic energy and defensive weaponry in face of everyday threat from aggressor and blood thirsty Israel, which actively seeking to invade Iran.

My loyalty is  Iran, where dose your loyalty lay? What is your priority my friend? Are you the type who is counting the day when US or Israel invade Iran? In that case you and I have some bones to pick. So please first make your position known clearly without trying to pick apart my comments.

You see my friend, that is main question. Besides term [God Given Right] is an idiom, just in case you did not know. Use of an idiom has nothing to do with wanting religion in the government.

Have a look at this thread, then we will talk.

Regards

capt_ayhab [-YT]

doesn't it seem just a wee

doesn't it seem just a wee bit hypocritical to say that a nation has a "god given right" in the same discussion as "religion should play no part of government". :-)

without really answering my specific questions i guess you've sorta kinda stated your position.

do you honestly believe that a nation, ANY nation, that has made specific threats against another nation, should have nuclear capacity? a simple yes or no will do just fine.

i can only infer from your non-answer that you believe that iran does have peaceful intentions once she is nuclear. i hope that your right.

i've read this a couple times to make sure i'm not sounding ANYTHING but absolutely and positively sincere in my questions. this isn't really about equality, as in all nations should have equal capabilities. i wouldn't give my 10 month old baby a pair of scissors just because his older (i.e. more responsible) brother has them. i'm sure you wouldn't argue that.

i do hope you'll respond. i might not always agree with everything you say but i have great respect for the way you stand your ground.

Since when it matteres

We live in a new age, where up is down and down is up, they go invade Iraq, Israel bombs UN and then Palestinians are the terrorists. Their own NIE said Iran abandoned it several years ago but if they could they would start many more wars, and Iran is the bad guy. Its a new age, the aggressor makes the rules.

Anonymous fishie

Dear fishie,

My true and honest opinion is "Every nation has a God given right to protect herself by ANY and ALL means possible, including IRAN" 

With the same token 'every nation has the right to nuclear power' However before you jump to any conclusion about my political polarity I should say[needlessly] that I am categorically against system of government in Iran, being Islamic. Religion has NO room in politics of governing any country.

Regards

capt_ayhab [-YT]

this seems to be a little

this seems to be a little more current.

//jta.org/news/article/2008/11/20/1001100/exp...

what exactly is your point here Captain? are you suggesting that iran is NOT pursuing nukes for warfare? or suggesting that they are NOT working with syria to achieve nuclear weapontry? or are you suggesting that iran has peaceful intentions once she does have nukes?

just curious...:-)

hey captain

this article is from Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:48pm EDT