Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder met with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after delivering a speech in Tehran criticizing the Iranian leader's stance against Israel and his denial of the Holocaust.. In contrast to the tense meeting with Ahmadinejad, Schroeder's meeting with former Iranian president Mohammad Khatami -- who plans to run against Ahmadinejad in the June elections -- was congenial
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I know about Finkelstein's book but..
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:36 PM PSTI also know about what I call the "'Holocaust Industry' Industry'". I never really took the Holocaust conference very seiously and I also know that the establishment is not in love with many of Ahmadinejad's rantings.I think it first started to really bother me during the Gaza wars on these threads, some things people said..when there was more calm after the ceasefire I was websearching about Velayate Faghi and I found this IRI-related site that had all these cartoons of attrocities, with very graphic photos about Vietnam, Hiroshima, Gaza and more.
There was a section on the Holocaust and all it had were cartoons.
Most of them showed things like the same person walking in and out of a gas chamber dressed like a Hassid, things like that. Then it really started to bother me.
In any case it could be true that Ahmadinejad almost cancelled the meeting with Schroeder because of his Holocaust comments at the Chamber of Commerce. Or don't you think so?
On the subject of Holocaust in Iran
by Ostaad on Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:18 PM PSTgirlfriend, the Iranian establishment has not been very amused by Ahamdinejad's anti-Semetic rants and attacks on the historical accuracy of the Holocaust. The present regime likes to get as far away from that "issue" as much it can.
There ARE a lot of people in Iran who believe the Holocaust never happened, just as a lot of Westerners thing so too. There ARE also a lot of peope, including myself, who believe that Holocuast is a fact. The problems that a lot of us, who oppose Israel's policies in the region, is the Zionists shameless exploitation of the Holocaust to further their political aims. Norman Finkelstein called it the "Holocaust Industry".
That's the reason you are not going to hear about the Holocaust from the Iranian official press nor its officials.
No, I didn't say anything was wrong with any of it from the
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:11 AM PSTbusiness or realpolitik end and I read some of Larjani's comments too, and they discussed Iran's arranging a nuclear consortium and much more. Personally I am also against sanctions and very much in favor of the Russian Iranian ties in terms of achieving a balance of power (as I wrote you in the e-mail of my posting which I sent you). It was impossible to find any article that was thorough, either in the Iranian or the Western or Indian press (not American btw, there weren't any I could find). This was the most complete article I could find because it was the only one which covered the visits to aeither Amadinejad and Khatami. I had to read a lot of short articles and press releases to get anything near the full story, they all reflected vested interests. I read some with direct quotes from Larjani too during the visit but I couldn't include everything and I felt this article got at least the gist of them.
I can't be sure whether or not Ahmadinejad almost canceling the meeting is true but giiven the lack of information about the Holocaust statements at the Chamber of Commerce in the Iranian press it might as well be. There was no problem from the German government with Schroeder going but from certain members of Parliament there was.
And let's be fair. The first place Shcroeder went was to the Chamber of Commerce (it was obviously important because of the potential for gas and other deals) but if the Holocaust is important enough to IRI for a worldwide Holocaust conference, not to mention worldwide Holocaust cartoon contests sponsored by IRI (and I have seen these cartoons and they aren't very pretty..), then Schroeder's Holocaust comments should be important enough to be mentioned by the IRI press.
The reason they werern't is obvious and it has nothing to do with the Holocaust being unimportant to IRI. It wasn't mentioned because it is SO important to them. An alternate title I was thinking about for this post before I found the later article which included the visits to Ahmadinejad and Khatami was "On Gas and Gassings". And I would've stood by it if I'd done it.
Anyway Holocaust denial in IRI is intimately linked with Ahmadinejad's policies (and ravings). It is used as a tool to mock and discredit the Jews and thus add fuel to his anti-Isael platform. They go hand in hand.
None of this means I'm pro-Israel btw. I'm not. I didn't mean to imply that I had problems with Schroeder's general stance vis a vis Iran, just what I read about the Merkel government. And Putin a flawless democrat..? All rhw players have their own spin, like a washing machine.
APS s you know you are far more knowleddgeable than I am about politics in general. Seeing your article now o the consortium, yes it's true that was underplayed here and I was aware of it. I just couldn't include everything, I must've looked at 20 articles and releases last night, and the lack of mentioning of Gazprom and the Holocaust comments in so many of them caught my eye.
rosie, the Holocaust has nothing to do with the...
by Ostaad on Sun Feb 22, 2009 09:05 AM PSTthe realpolitik issues discussed during such events. Iran-Germany relations are among the oldest and healthiest relations that encompass the economic, business, political and cultural aspects. Iran was never attacked nor colonized by Germany therefore there are no perennial animosity or resentment against Germany in Iran. The fact that Angela Merkel and her government did not mount any opposition to Schroeder's trip to Iran despite a few Jewish organizations and a couple of politicians' "protests", proves that Iran-Germany relations has withstood another attempt by the Zionistas and a few of their supporters to dampen them.
The reason why the Iranian press did not cover Scheroeder's Holocaust comments, which were mainly used by the "Western press" to make up for the lack of information or interest in the real issues discussed in those meetings, can be found in Larijani's comments on the subject. The fact is the Iranians and many non-European/non-Christian countries did not have anything with the Holocaust, therefore they cannot be extorted by Israel and its supporters by guilting them for crimes they never committed nor were a part of.
BTW, there's nothing wrong with having and expanding business relations, is there?