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Thx. A couple of questions:

The reason Israel has been threatening Iran with military attacks - this started by Sharon and way before Ahamdinejad appears on the scene - because of Iran's threat to its military dominance in the region, not because of Hezbollah. 

You mean when he was PM? I see from wiki that started 2001.. Did it also have something to do with September 11? threatening to bomb a country out of the blue just because they're becomng powerful seems strange, especially when that country isn't even that close to you. Didn't the Israelis have enough on their own plate already with Palestine?

You're right Lebanes politics is complicated but just like any other country it has some distinctive contours which shed light on its shape and direction.

iI know they are very distinctive. I think Lebanon may have one of the most interesting political structures in the world...

To use a cliche, Israel never misses an opportunity to create enemies.

Yep. We saw it right here on this thread... 

About the French...

you're right. I caught my mistake later. The French wanted to have a vassal run by Christians in the ME. If fact the current Lebanes constitution reservers the presidency for the Christains and the Shieh and Sunnis are OK with it.

South Lebanone workers, mainly Shiehs, used to work on farms in Northern Israel and send money back - same situation as the Mexicano agricultureal workers in the US.

The reason Israel has been threatening Iran with military attacks - this started by Sharon and way before Ahamdinejad appears on the scene - because of Iran's threat to its military dominance in the region, not because of Hezbollah. 

You're right Lebanes politics is complicated but just like any other country it has some distinctive contours which shed light on its shape and direction.

To use a cliche, Israel never misses an opportunity to create enemies.

Nuclear...

Bush and his cadre almost destroyed the world. I agree that Obama will be a positive force in many ways. I think a lot of people have unreasonable expectations of him, they expect him to be further left than he is or ever was or claimed to be. Every time Hillary opens her mouth they think he will support an incursion into Gaza. I just think he hasn't really found his footing yet and he has to learn from a lot of mistakes. But overall I think he's a decent person. And something like the anti-nuclear talks is exactly the kind of thing he can get his arms around.

I also agree this whole Iranian nuclear issue is a non-issue. I read that Iran too has been proposing a nuclear-free Middle East. The problem is that no one in the West believed them. But they will believe Russian. In any case, even if Iran DID want nukes, they couldn't BUILD them w/o Russia's help OR use them w/out Russia's consent, which Russia would never give...but why would they want to use them anyway? My understanding is that Iran just needs the power to fuel the continued moderniizing of the country. And all this barking about the nuclear program at this point  just seems...silly. Iran HAS nuclear power. It's a done deal. Doesn't Hillary know this? Like I said I don't really expect Obama to understand certain things yet, he has to rely on advisors and delegating responsibility. So what's with Hillary and this nuke nonsense? Doesn't she know that with Russia's backing the nuclear issue is closed? Is her barking to pacify Israel???

I am hoping for detente when the chips fall into place. Actually more than detente--more cooperation.

.Historically the main

.Historically the main "teachers" of Shiehism came from Lebanon and due to the French colonial arrangements colluding with the Arab Sunnis the Shieh were totally marginalized.

My understanding was that the French wanted to create a kind of Colonialist bulwark after these nations were formed and so they created Lebanon out of the three main groups, thinking the Christians who were more Europeanized would dominate, but they didn't consider the basics of demographics that obviously the Christians would become vastly outnumbered. I never heard of the Sunni collusion but I have read that the creation of Lebanon was...a bad move...a tragedy...a mistake...for the Lebanese. 

 Israel was economically useful for the south Lebanes Shieh.

 How?

Once Sharon concluded his secret agreement with the Lebanes Phalangists, the party that Pierre Jamayel formed after visiting Hitler's Germany during the Olympics where he was an athlete and was inspired by the discipline and order he witnessed there,

Oh no, as in Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will Olympics..

I have always said that if Israel had been successful to defeat Hezbollah in the last spat of fighting, it would have DEFINITELY attacked Iran.

But isn't there a kind of circularity here? Lebanese Shia request Iran come in to defend them against Israel and the Phalange, creating Hezbollah. Israel attacks Hezbollah and would've attacked Iran if they'd won. But why would they've wanted to attack Iran if Iran hadn't aided Hezbollah in the first place? Hamas same? How does that show smart foreign policy? What if Iran had stayed out altoether, regardless of the Shiah cultural ties?

Do I make sense?

Thanks.

I had a southern Lebanese student in his 30's in the fall of '06. We talked a lot about the war. I read a lot too. He told me one day, don't try to understand Lebanese politics, it's too complicated.. I got insulted, I said, why, do you think I'm some kind of ignorant American? He said no, it's just too complicted. We don't understand it either... 

Completely agree. But you have to understand that from

my perspective, being called a Jew in quotation marks and being publicly accused of calling Jews Nazis and so on are  issues that MUST be addressed by me. Clearly and thoroughly, at least once, to any person who says such things ONCE per accuser. No more. No worries. I'm finished with Mehdi. No retraction, no further dialog.

Give me a little more time will you? I'll get back to you in a while.  Tonight.

:o)

Rosie

The topics discussed in this article are too important to be...

swallowed by talk not directly related to the Haaretz article. I, for one, am extremely happy the topic of (nuclear) arms limitation talks are back on the table. GW and his gang ruined the chances for nuclear arm limitation and proliferation talks by politicizing the non-existing Iranian nuclear arms issue. Now that he and his gang of neo-con(men and women) are gone, the world can resume the vital nuclear talks with the aim of bringing safety and security to ALL peoples.Obama is the right president to get START started again.

Let's get the focus back on the issue at hand, shall we?

Mehdi, I believe our posts crossed. I added a final

section which I suspect you haven't read. Please do.

Mehdi, you spent a few minutes, I shall spend a few hours

if need be, because in this particular post of yours you touch on certain points which CANNOT in good conscience be left unaddressed (please note I address you directly while you speak of me in the third person on MY OWN THREAD).

 1. Her parents areAshkenazi Jews (not clear indications if they were Holocaust survivors).

You brought this up to me on the thread of my post called "Zionazis" from January, during the Gaza conflict.

//iranian.com/main/blog/rosie-roxy-roshan/zionazis 

I explained to you in reply that on a blog I had serious spatial constraints and couldn't include everything I wanted to. I explained that in any case it was irrelevant to mention that my parents were NOY survivors, because the fact that they were NOT and yet my mother STILL had frequent nightmares about the Nazis actually underscored my point which was (and is) that Jews of European extraction live in constant fear. 

2. Up and until 1982 when the Chrisian Falanges in Lebanon had massacred 3000  Palestiains (Notice, it was Lebanse Chritistians - not Israeli), after which she had  "cried and cried"

On the same thread, below my blog "Zionazis" you brought this up and I explained to you that the Israelis lit the flares and I asked you, rather begged you, to demonstrate that they did not do so intentionally to aid and abet these massacres. All you said in reply (after my PRODDING you on other threads to reply) was that various personnel were tried By ISRAEL and exhonerated, while the Minister of Defense was made to step down. You never once mentioned, let alone substantiated, that they did not intentionally light the flares. I'm not interested in court decisions, not IRI shariah courts, not US courts that target blacks and deprive them of adequate legal representation not Israeli courts not courts on Mars. I asked for YOUR proof. Period.

Quote: (16 Janury 2009 post): I cried for the children, I cried for the blood on the hands of my
people and the blood from which they had survived which I now knew to
be one blood. But I also cried for my own lost morrings and I cried for
my parents. Because from the moment I had heard about those massacres,
I was no longer a Zionist. And I was killing everything that was my
parents’ hopes, everything that was their air. I was killing my own
family. 

3. Since that unfortunate incident, our beloved rosie had found a new life and freedom and new family, and becme anti-zionist.

Whatever. But please do not refer to me as YOUR "beloved Rosie" while speaking of me in the third person ON MY OWN THREAD. Kheili bitarbiat.

4. On t he same post she admits, she and another Anti-Israeli Arab woman names Salama were preparing a banner with these words inscribed:

1 MENACHEM BEGIN = 1 MILLION HITLERS

Oh, Jesus f. The entire second half of that blog explains how my friend Faiza and I waited at the pamphlet table for a banner which WE HADN'T SEEN and how WHEN it was unfurled I said I was leaving and Faiza forbade the use of the banner. Then I explained how that was the seminal moment when I realized that in my political activity I would NEVER pledge allegiance to ANY group. I explained that what Salama did was JUST AS BAD as ehat the Nazis (and the IDF) did, only differing in scale.

Rosie, I will not engage with personal attacks.

 Re-read your comment at the bottom of this thread which spurred this entire discussion. Unless there are two Mehdi Mazlooms here with the same avatar, you are...mistaken.

 However I find your heart bleeding comments with little credibility.

Lack of credibility implies that I lied. You can think whatever you like about my personal feelings as I recounted them, but the use of the word "credibility" implies they did not exist. Either you have just used semantics erroneously or you...think you are privy to some special knowledge about my feelings. You are not. 

While  I don't fault you for feeling sorry for the Pals or the Arabs. It is crystal clear to me, that as yourself an Ashkenazi, you never lived in the despicable and dmeaning condition under which sepharadi Jews throughout the Arab & Islamic world had lived.  I lived it. 

I am sorry that you or anyone else had to live through such deplorable circumstances. My next-door neighbors where I grew up, the Blaus had tatood arms. I lived with that knowledge every day of my life as a child and so did my mom. 

Had you been the genuine, who is "sensitive" to other people's suffering, you would  not equate Israelis to Nazis.

I did not. I COMPARED my ARAB friend, Salama's making that banner and Israeli soldiers' lighting those flares, to actions analogous to those of the Nazis, in essence though not in scope. Implicitly therefore, I suggested that this is the case with ALL people who succumb blindly (and often unconsciously) to propaganda especially racial propaganda. And I said it was a HUMAN phenomen...i.e. a universal one. I.e., we are ALL potentially Nazis in essence if not in degree if we are not mindful. I NEVER EQUATED ANYONE TO NAZIS. 

There are plenty of other civilized avenues through which one can criticize other people's actions, - pouring salt on their wounds in not one of them. Calling Israelis who's many of them are the sons and daughters of the holocasut , "Nazi's, is luck off tact and sensitivity for some one like you whom tries to put forth the face of peace seeker, and "pacifist"

If I called Israelis Nazis, then the moon is made of green cheese. Over the course of my presence on the Gaza threads, for the sake of which I returned to this website to MEDIATE on and announced it clearly many times, I spent a HUGE amountof time convincing people NOT to use Nazi terminology in discussions about Israel, an endeavour in which I was quite successful DESPITE the impressions of Israelis I had to COUNTER because of the chronic outraggeous statements of CERTAIN Israelis on this site...

In actual fact, this has been one of my MAJOR campaigns on this site from DAY ONE. Over New Years, 2007-2008, I spent days on a blog entitled something about Nazi Israel by Dariush, countering this, until Dariush finally APOLOGIZED. Qumars was there. In the summer I EXHAUSTED myself on a thread below a photo essay on Aushcwitzz where your friend Zion popped up to say that the ARABS did Nazi-like things (oout of NOWHERE). People started calling HER a Nazi and I defended her, saying that to say someone DID Nazi-LIKE things was not hate speech but saying someone IS an Nazi was. Your friend Zion immediately left and I stayed on that thread for two whole days trying to convince people to relinquish this terminology. i was unsuccesful, however in the end I wON because I talked them to exhaustion and they forfeited the game. When they all finally shut up I wrote the Kaddish at the top of the thread, and then your friend Zion, who'd let me fight her battles for her which SHE instigatd, popped up promptly to say Amen. She got to reast throughout the course of that thread, I didn't.

Had you spent some of your time trying to read about, and understand the bloody history of Jews with Muslims going back to Mohamad himself, you would then understand the real reason behind this conflict.  

Do not make assumptions or generalizations about what I have read. Outside of the  fields of journalism, science and economics, I am one of the best-read people on this site. And if that doesn't say much about me then I suggest you find another site of your intellectual calibre.

You also write, you were stunned to see Israeli solders stoo

d by while Lebanese were massacring the Pals.

NOT STOOD BY. LIT FLARES.

Were you also stunned when many Palestinians were cheering and celebtrating in the streets of Gaza and WB, after each homicide bombings in Jerusalem and tel aviv killing score of innocent Israelis.  I did, and that was my monet of tranformation, from being a sympathetic to Pals agenda and aspirations to no way hell.........

Once again, I deeply regret that you have undergone such experiences. And..uh..btw...please note that I don't say I don't find them "credible" as you do mine.

Did you also asked yourself, what type of sick cultural and mind set would drive a mother to convince her own 19, & 20 year old boys to wrap a 22lb explosives and blow themselves  up among other young man & woman of their own age. 

Indeed I have. THat is why in the above-mentioned blog of mine, Zionazis, which you have "discredited", I explained why my realization that Salama my Arab Palestinian activist friend had essentially a Nazi-like worldview, in essence if not in degree, for painting the banner which you falsely attributed to me...THE SAME MENTALITY AS THE IDF SOLDIERS WHO LIT THE FLARES. In essence, though not in degree.

There is nothing more preciious the human life.  There is no betryal of trust, more then when a mother betrayes the trust of her own flesh & blood, to feed, dress and protect. Even the most primitive species will sucrifies their own lives to protect their own offspring - let alone humans

Through time immemorial, mothers have proudly sent their children off to war. For the Palestinain "mentality" suicide bombing is a form of soldierhood of war. (That says NOTHING about my perception of it, it is simply an accurate observation). Tis particular form of soldierhood involves martyrdoom as does the Japanese "kamikazi" and others Surely you are familiar with the concept of martyrdom? Surely you have heard of Massadah? Are you SURE that none of those martyrs sacrificed their children with them?

By the way, as a corrolarly point of interest, although it does not involve war, Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own child. But of course..he wasn't..a MOTHER...

I trully command you for your concern to other peoples suffering.

That is very nice of you. Then why did you consciously try to inflict suffering or at very least, public humilliation on me at the bottomof this thread?

There is no doubt, Pals are suffering. Before you schpill on me your heart bleeding mantra,

So you commend me for my compassion and then immediately call it a "heart-bleeding mantra", do you? 

I would suggest you to learn more about the cutural and mind set by which the poor Palestinains are being lead - Hamas being the prime example.

As I explained to you below, and at least TWICE at GREAT LENGTH here you and some of your friends make it IMPOSSIBLE for me to lunderstand this side of the narrative due to your contemptuous, patronizing and villifying attitude toward me.

As I have said it many times before, the Arab-Israeli conflict is not about piece ofland, rather it is about state of mind. It is about religious conviction. If you still don't believe me then, read Hamas's own Charter.  No one does a better  job at explaing their real agenda behind the conflct then they themselves.

DO NOT TELL ME TO READ ANYTHING UNtiL YOU GO BAKC TO THAT BLOG OF MINE "ZIONAZIS" AND GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL EXACTLY WHAT I EXPLICITLY SAID AND COME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT YOU EITHER CAN"T READ OR HAVE SELECTIVE MEMORY OF EPIC DIMENSIONS.

TO OTHERS

While I appreciate your replies to my simple comment.

Simple comment...AHA! NOW I understand why people thought Peres at Davos was an actor, aggressive and a hypocrite, while I was defending his authenticity. YOU'RE JUsT LIKE HIM...just like him.

well it is merely your opinion and you are entitled to it.   Manhy of you out there, perhaps are not familiar with Jews and Israelis, more then what you see and read in front of your eyes. You express your opinions as you see fit.

Jews and Israelis are not synonymosu. At the beginning of your reply you referred to me as a Jew in QUOTATION MARKS. How dare you?

Myself  (and perhaps other Israelis on this forum) find this lady less then genuine.

Oh you mean thi lady whose compassion for others you respect?

here are many Jews aroundthe world, and some Israelis themselves who disagree with Israel harsh response to the Palestinains attackes in Israel. That is fair and legitimate. Nonetheless,  One Jew never ever calls a fellow Jew "Nazi". T

As I explained above I never did that. Either you can't read, you have selective memory or you're getting Allzheimer's.And frankly at this point I don't give a sh-t which one it is.

hat is when this respected  lady caught my attention, and franlky lost of respect to her notion of justice and fairness.

Well Mehdi, you were hallucinating. Go back and read that blog  and make a full retraction of all the cr-p you just spewed about it. Oh it may take more than a few minutes...

anyhow this is the last time I'm ever addressing you here again unless you are mensch enough to do the right thing. If you aren't, in future when you attack me here, or anyone else irratinally regarding Israel, I shall ignore YOU and simply provide the general public with the link to this post to demonstrate that...

you're not in your right mind Mehdi, you're not in your right mind. This corroborates my suspicion that Israel is a psychologically disturbed society due to the events of the 20th century, which must be OwNED by all humanity, for we are all accountable for each other..

BUT THAT DOESN'T EXEMPT YOU FROM ACCOUNTABILITY FOR YOUR OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Mehdi and tell your hardline compatriotss to do the same...cuz the coffee's burning Mehdi, it's searing hot...and it's about to scorch your entire country...soon. And it won't be the Pals who do it, either  The real Warsaw Ghetto that's being duplicated in Is/Pal is the WARSAW GHETTO OF ISRAEL"S OWN ISOLATION FROM THE FAMILY OF NATIONS

AND IT"S A GHETTO OF THEIR OWN DEVISE.

Enough. Either you retract your statements about me and my writing or I will NEVER address you again.

Aqha Mazloom

You say that as a sepharadi you suffered living in an arab and Islamic world. You were born in Iran under the Shah era? So can you tell us from what you suffered their?

You are hired to change our minds; so tell what Iranians did you to have such a hidden hatred. Zion is not a reference for me she never lived in Iran and has a narrow stereotype mind, but you seem to have passed some time in Iran. Enlighten us please.

Rosie

you write:

Now I am going to respond at length to Mehdi's last post regardless,
because this is almost a sacred matter to me as a Jew. I have to do it
Then I will move on to Ostaad's to stop the "derailment." Probably I
will learn something too. 

I will be happy to read your reply. I am sure we will clarify each other's pov. It is apparent that, you and I have differences in understanding of what is being a Jew?.  You have your experience as a European Jew,  and I have my own experienced as a Jew who grew up Arab-Islamic country.

Please do reply. I will read it.

To Ostaad, Q Mehrmaz, et al.

Ostaad, In case I wasn't competely clear I was explaining myself EXCLUSIVELY to the "nose hairs." I totally know you "get" me, even, and maybe especially when we disagree.

Mehrmaz, good point about derailment, but the good part of all this here on this thread is that it confirmed what I already suspected: that the place where I can be most effective right now is here on the feeds because they are READ. But overall your remark about derailment is important.

Q , point well taken. But I think we also have to operate under the assumption that these feeds, especially the featured have a wide-reaching audience Iranian and non-Iranian, given the vast outreach of the site. So it's a juggling act: how do you make sure you publicly counter these claims yet not burn yourself out or allow things to get "derailed"? You and I have discussed this before. It's tricky...I need to do it expending far less energy and succumbing less to getting caught in their "web"...pointless.

A word of clarification about what I said about IRI hardline human rights record: I consider my government under Bush responsible for this backlash by flanking Iran militarily and calling it part of the Axis of Evil. I think the people who say the Reform movement was a hardline ploy to expose dissidents, etc., whatever, are making up conspiracy theories.I think it was simpler than that. Khomeini was Khomeini, Rafsanjani made a move forward toward economic and geopolitcal pragmatism and the Reformists were the next organic evolutionary step forward, toward internal political and human rights reform. Stupid Bush and evil Cheney screwed it all up just like they did everything else by fomenting a popular shift to the hardliners based on fear of the US. IMHO. But all that doesn't change my stance on the hardliners' human rights violations. Everyone has their own priorites, that is as it should be, but for me personally I give equal time to both  the internal human rights situation and the external Imperialist aggression.

Now I am going to respond at length to Mehdi's last post regardless, because this is almost a sacred matter to me as a Jew. I have to do it Then I will move on to Ostaad's to stop the "derailment." Probably I will learn something too.

rosie, you really don't need to explain yourself, I get it.

And I'm sure there are a lot of other netizens on this site who get it too. I am surprised that you are allowing pipsqueaks like Mazloom and his side kick to become, as we say in Farsi, "mooye damaagh" that is your nose hair - in other words an annoying wart. Please don't let a noise hair get to you.

Let's get past those characters and talk about your "mixed feelings" about Iran helping those groups. First, the IRI is made up of a bunch of religious fundamentalists and that should explain their support for other fundamentalist groups. But Iran's support for Hezbollah has more important geopolitical and real cultural/religious dimestions. Let' me admit I'm not very clear as to why Iran supports Hamas to the extent that we are told, or the real extent of Iran's support might have been exaggerated by Iran's opponents. Anyway, back to Hezbollah, Hezbollah as the only Arab entity which has a legitimate politcal body complete with members of parliament and ministers in the Lebanese government as well as a very successful and competent military wing, is the best strategic asset that Iran has in the region. On the human/cultrual side both the Lebanese and the Iranian shiehs have very close kinship with one another. Historically the main "teachers" of Shiehism came from Lebanon and due to the French colonial arrangements colluding with the Arab Sunnis the Shieh were totally marginalized. It is ironic that the South Lebanon Shiehs used to have excellent working relations with the Israelis before Areil Sharon invaded Leabon. The Shieh farmers and residents of south were actually preventing PLO attacks on Israel from their territories because they were the target of Israeli "retaliation" after such attacks. Israel was economically useful for the south Lebanes Shieh. Once Sharon concluded his secret agreement with the Lebanes Phalangists, the party that Pierre Jamayel formed after visiting Hitler's Germany during the Olympics where he was an athlete and was inspired by the discipline and order he witnessed there, went through the Shieh areas with ease because he had told them he was only after removal of PLO. Things changed because the Shiehs realized that was a ploy to invade Beirut in order to install a fascist Christian government mainly made up of the enemies of the Shiehs. That's when they asked Khomeini for help. According to Mohtashemi, the guy who the contact between them, he had recommended sending Iranian fighter there but Khomeini had overruled him and wanted the Iranians to train the locals to fight the IDF and the Phalange. Hezbollahs successes attests to the correctness of that decision. Which brings me to your point, which I think is quite valid, and that is some IRI foreing policies are correct. Hezbollah has proven over and over that it is a very useful deterrence for Israel to attack Iran. I have always said that if Israel had been successful to defeat Hezbollah in the last spat of fighting, it would have DEFINITELY attacked Iran. It is sad that a lot of Lebanese lost their lives, but I think Hezbollahs stand against the Israelis saved a lot more lives on all sides by preventing an uncontrollable regional war or wars.

Rosie, don't explain yourself!

Do you honestly think the claims by these worthless character assassins are genuine? NO! Do you really think if you explain the nuances of your thoughts it will make the slightest difference?

They only care that you are voicing your opposition and telling the world that not all Jews are like them. The only solution they will accept is if you shut up and support Israel. Short of that, all your explanations only serve to make you sound "guilty" (of what? I'm not sure).

You don't owe these people anything. Don't waste your time trying to justify your own existence. Unless you become another hardline Zionist parrot, it will never work. They will always call you racist names like disgusting dhimmi. You should know this by now.

Mehdi Mazloom:

Rosie, I will not engage with personal attacks.

LOL!!!!!!!

Mehdi, you are a liar.

Nonetheless, One Jew never ever calls a fellow Jew "Nazi". That is when this respected lady caught my attention, and franlky lost of respect to her notion of justice and fairness.

I spent 10 seconds on Google and find multiple instances of Jews calling Sharon a Nazi.

1. Likud activist calls Sharon Nazi
2. Sharon "Nazi Collaborator," Chabad Rabbis Say
3. Israeli Settlers: Sharon a 'Nazi'

Spare us all your BS lies from now on.

The purpose is to attack linking and thinking ...

Ah, agha Mehdi Mazloom! The great scholar who 'searches Iranian sources' and finds speeches in Farsi in Khandaniha site which he offers on his blog, to make a point on "iranian scholars"!!! He, however admits after a tremendous linguistic gaff, that his "Farsi is rudimentary"!!! ha ha ha ... It seems to me that both MazloomS and Zion only join feeds to distract from any constructive discussion. There is certainly a case for not engaging with outright dishonesty and trash. If it were once or twice, it would not matter but when that becomes a regular feature, then it calls for radical thinking. As the example of this thread demonstrates, even when people are shunning Mazloom, they are not discussing anything else!!!!!

Well well well.

I spent few minutes going over some of the "Jewish" rosie.

1. Her parents are Ashkenazi Jews (not clear indications if they were Holocaust survivors).

2. Up and until 1982 when the Chrisian Falanges in Lebanon had massacred 3000  Palestiains (Notice, it was Lebanse Chritistians - not Israeli), after which she had  "cried and cried"

Quote: (16 Janury 2009 post): I cried for the children, I cried for the blood on the hands of my
people and the blood from which they had survived which I now knew to
be one blood. But I also cried for my own lost morrings and I cried for
my parents. Because from the moment I had heard about those massacres,
I was no longer a Zionist. And I was killing everything that was my
parents’ hopes, everything that was their air. I was killing my own
family. 

3. Since that unfortunate incident, our beloved rosie had found a new life and freedom and new family, and becme anti-zionist.

4. On t he same post she admits, she and another Anti-Israeli Arab woman names Salama were preparing a banner with these words inscribed:

1 MENACHEM BEGIN = 1 MILLION HITLERS

Rosie, I will not engage with personal attacks. However I find your heart bleeding comments with little credibility. While  I don't fault you for feeling sorry for the Pals or the Arabs. It is crystal clear to me, that as yourself an Ashkenazi, you never lived in the despicable and dmeaning condition under which sepharadi Jews throughout the Arab & Islamic world had lived.  I lived it. 

Had you been the genuine, who is "sensitive" to other people's suffering, you would  not equate Israelis to Nazis. There are plenty of other civilized avenues through which one can criticize other people's actions, - pouring salt on their wounds in not one of them. Calling Israelis who's many of them are the sons and daughters of the holocasut , "Nazi's, is luck off tact and sensitivity for some one like you whom tries to put forth the face of peace seeker, and "pacifist"

Had you spent some of your time trying to read about, and understand the bloody history of Jews with Muslims going back to Mohamad himself, you would then understand the real reason behind this conflict.  

You also write, you were stunned to see Israeli solders stood by while Lebanese were massacring the Pals. Were you also stunned when many Palestinians were cheering and celebtrating in the streets of Gaza and WB, after each homicide bombings in Jerusalem and tel aviv killing score of innocent Israelis.  I did, and that was my monet of tranformation, from being a sympathetic to Pals agenda and aspirations to no way hell.........

Did you also asked yourself, what type of sick cultural and mind set would drive a mother to convince her own 19, & 20 year old boys to wrap a 22lb explosives and blow themselves  up among other young man & woman of their own age. 

There is nothing more preciious the human life.  There is no betryal of trust, more then when a mother betrayes the trust of her own flesh & blood, to feed, dress and protect. Even the most primitive species will sucrifies their own lives to protect their own offspring - let alone humans.

I trully command you for your concern to other peoples suffering. There is no doubt, Pals are suffering. Before you schpill on me your heart bleeding mantra, I would suggest you to learn more about the cutural and mind set by which the poor Palestinains are being lead - Hamas being the prime example.

As I have said it many times before, the Arab-Israeli conflict is not about piece ofland, rather it is about state of mind. It is about religious conviction. If you still don't believe me then, read Hamas's own Charter.  No one does a better  job at explaing their real agenda behind the conflct then they themselves.

TO OTHERS

While I appreciate your replies to my simple comment. well it is merely your opinion and you are entitled to it.   Manhy of you out there, perhaps are not familiar with Jews and Israelis, more then what you see and read in front of your eyes. You express your opinions as you see fit.

Myself  (and perhaps other Israelis on this forum) find this lady less then genuine. There are many Jews aroundthe world, and some Israelis themselves who disagree with Israel harsh response to the Palestinains attackes in Israel. That is fair and legitimate. Nonetheless,  One Jew never ever calls a fellow Jew "Nazi". That is when this respected  lady caught my attention, and franlky lost of respect to her notion of justice and fairness.

i am unconditionally against IRI hardline human rights record,

have been so vociferously since I got here. (However I do support reform which some of the most vocal human rights activists get upset with me for). I support a number of IRI's foreign and nuclear policies in no small part because I believe they have led to a standoff which can only end in detente (for most of Eurasia). But I have some mixed feelings about IRI supplying Hezbollah and Hamas with weapons because I am a pacifist (and also overall I don't like fundamentalist organizations). The problem is I have never been able to engage in a productive public dialog about it here to try to understand the case for Israel because of chronic comments like Mehdi's which try my patience and alienate the readers from center to liberal to left because my positions are very well known and no one can see any possible reason for these comments toward me except aggression, which they interpret as Israeli aggression The only Zionists who dialog with me civilly are Bijan and David, and David is not Israeli anyway. I argue all the time with people on this thread about politics in the Middle East but we respect each other. One of my favorite descriptors for Mahmood vis a vis his internal policies is "disgusting" If that makes me the whoever of whatever that you say I am, then I am proud to be that.

Zion, people notice a lot of things...

like why you true "pure" Zionists feel like you need to get mixed up with this "Tehran lobbying" website.

Is there a reason you constantly feel threatened by Jews who don't share your politics? Is there a reason you can't even tolerate a contrary opinion?

Isn't it funny that sorry ass, pro-war slanderers can write and defend Israel on a daily basis, all freely on a site that is "run by a Tehran lobbying anti-semite islamo-leftist mob ". Some people are hopelessly dense.

My friend Finkelstein said it best: beyond Chutzpah.

Dear Mehdi

No need to waste your breath on this bunch. This is a site run by a Tehran lobbying anti-semite islamo-leftist mob anyways, and they feel they need their dhimmi Jew here. No surprises.
She plays the role that Neturei Karta eagerly plays for Ahmadinejad for the micro-Ahmadinejad wannabes of this site.
They feed on each other. Don't waste your time.
The more they rabble the better the ugliness shows. Let them expose themselves more. People notice.

Cheers pal.

Zion

Mazloom Zionist & anti Iran shall be kicked out of this site!

I really couldn't see why there were all these comments against this jerk here, since I didn't see much in his one line posting here, to judge him. Then, I searched and noticed all the propeganda for israel and against Iran!

I get it now! This jerk is either/and or all Mossad, zionist, and anti Iran. It is amazing how tolerant we iranians are! This would never happen in "democractic' israel. No way any israeli blogs or paper etc. would ever allow any of us to do this to them.

I know iranian scholars that this site has never allowed publish their writings here even though they are the true patrioc and anti mollah's regime. Yet, this jerk is allowed here in our face and being tolerated. Is there any fear of AIPAC's power to shut down this site? If not, why not blocking this jerk? After all, he is not an Iranian, and this is Iranian.com not Israeli.com! He has the balls to call on this ite to block Iran lovers from this site?!

Dear Mehdi

Although I could care less about Rosie's views (or the views of her new found friends who miss no opportunity to gang up on Jews who support Israel- this is 95% of the Jews in the world by the way), your comment was not necessary and does not help the good solid arguments that you make on this site. Everyone deserve the right to have their opinion. So does Ms. Rosie.  

Over the course of my year and a half at iranian.com I

have discovered I have many talents that I never knew I had. The first thing I discovered was that I can write poetry which is accessible to people who don't have the training to interpret the abstruse and byzantine  poetry that is so prevalent these days. I never liked writing poetry for such a limited and precious audience but I didn't know any other way. Now I do. The next thing I learned was to become a master googler and to work with images on the web. I always wanted to be a filmmaker and now that that is accessible to everyone. I feel I am ready to make youtube videos and this is the realization of a life's dream.

But out of all the talents I never knew I had the one I never dreamed of was that I could be a good lay journalist because I thought I didn't have  that kind of mind. But there is a small family of regular dedicated news feeders here who encouraged me and taught me what I needed to know, especially to check and balance out my sources.They don't have to feed news because they would follow the news anyway. They do it is a form of service for others.

My parents taught me that I should have a life of service.  iranian.com offers me a great opportunity to do this because of its vast outreach and ability to bridge the gap between Iran and the United States in terms of greater understanding..

Every day I contribute to iranian.com and iranian.com contributes to me and together we make a valuable contribution to the world.

Mehdi, I wish someone would...

put the manhole cover back. The stench is killing me.

Mazloom

You are so out of line and disrespectful that is astonishing. I used to think most of your irresponsible attacks on people and their beliefs were only politically motivated. But  more you post on threads more I am witness to your blatant arrogance and at times your ignorance of the subject matters.

Ms. Rosie does not need anyone to defend her, since she is well capable of  expressing her opinions, which I might say are mostly very well organized and insightful. But your comments are totally uncalled for, and childish to say the least.

Mazloom. manors are nice qualities to learn , try it.

Ms. Rosie, I do hope that childish remarks like this does not deter you from sharing your wisdom with us in Iranian.com

-YT

Aqha Mazloom

Look, Rosie is one of the few persons from whom we hear something rational here. I’m not telling you to understand what I’m saying coz you are her complete opposite. But what you shall know is that we all like Rosie and that for several reasons that except what I mentioned before also include her true contribution to this community that she likes too. Shame on you, who were born in Iran and have nothing less than hatred against it.

So be aware, it is at least the third attack you make against Rosie, from now every time you bring something negative against her, you will take a response from me at least that you deserve.

Mazloon

مهمون را رو بدی صاحبخونه میشه

روتو زیاد نکن

ask your translator what that means

IRANdokht

And what's it to you, Mr. Mazloom?

Mind your own business which appears to be extensive and far reaching on this site!

People question and ridicule you for many things but never for how much time you spend on the site, trying to prove that you are somehow connected to Iranian interests even though your contributions are really rather limited to your propaganda for Israel only.

Leave Rosie alone, she knows what she's doing and we appreciate seeing her thoughtful contributions.

Mehdi,

Mehdi, you have participated on my feeds this past week. I am one of the very few non-zionists who has tried to give you a hearing on Israel here. you have several times involved me in lenghty conversations which you then left dangling. And to top it all off I am the one who bothered  to explain to you how to track replies to your posts when you couldn't figure it out after a year. I keep trying to tell you this type of nasty, arrogant, domineering, hypocritical, self-serving AND PLUS irrational attitude  is the reason why most people looathe and detest Israel and aren't willing to hear its case. And frankly, if majority of Isralis are like you, they deserve everything they get.

But I have faith in humanity and i don't believe they are. I read Haaretz every day and Bijan is a person who inspires me. I will continue to strive for greater understanding DESPITE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

make Iranian.com free of rosie

I wonder what else do you do during the 24 hours?