Tales From Torture’s Dark World
New York Times / Mark Danner
18-Mar-2009 (6 comments)

Shortly after Abu Zubaydah was captured, C.I.A. officers briefed the National Security Council’s principals committee, including Vice President Dick Cheney, the national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, and Attorney General John Ashcroft, in detail on the interrogation plans for the prisoner. As the interrogations proceeded, so did the briefings, with George Tenet, the C.I.A. director, bringing to senior officials almost daily reports of the techniques applied. At the time, the spring and summer of 2002, Justice Department officials, led by John Yoo, were working on a memorandum, now known informally as “the torture memo,” which claimed that for an “alternative procedure” to be considered torture, and thus illegal, it would have to cause pain of the sort “that would be associated with serious physical injury so severe that death, organ failure, or permanent damage resulting in a loss of significant body function will likely result.”

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Paymaneh Amiri

US "torture memo": read and weep

by Paymaneh Amiri on Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:56 AM PDT

This article which is a shorter version of another written for The New York Review of Books, is one of the hardest things I have ever had to read.  Torture of anyone by anyone, least of all heads of a state, is illegal, immoral, and inhumane.  Those ordering such "alternative procedures" to be carried out are criminals who must be pursued and tried by authorized courts for crimes against humanity.



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MRX1

The solution

by MRX1 on Wed Mar 18, 2009 08:39 PM PDT

The solution is to have dialogue according to liberals. 7/24 that's all you do, you just talk, talk, talk , talk. you talk with people with 12 th century mentality who wouldn't hesitate one minute to kill or chop your head off and they will reveil everything! No need for any torture at all. just talk!


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Evin Evil

by King David (not verified) on Wed Mar 18, 2009 06:49 PM PDT

Lajevardi was actualy a jew that suposedly converted to islam

isreal have torture machine which they call safe and legal , it resulted in at last one death

usa now outsource torture to other countries so nothing has changed


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what the #@%$

by maziar058 (not verified) on Wed Mar 18, 2009 05:20 PM PDT

torture is WRONG , but to the personal level in my opinion these .... whatevers should be court martialed and executed in mazar i sharir or ghand i har where ever they were captured...end of the story.


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Iranyvaliazad

Torture is inhumane

by Iranyvaliazad on Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:17 PM PDT

A few observed points from the ariticle:

The author refers to terrorists who had caused so much suffering as MR. ... Please ... I guess, I should remember to use this term next time I talk of Mr. Hitler, Mr. Chegiz Khan, Ayatooleh Khomeini, Mr. Stalin, etc.

None of the terrorist said anything about while in prison, if they thought about suffering that they caused to innocent people .  For example, MR. Attashi who was responsible for deaths of hunderds of African citizens doesn't say, yes, while I was in the black box I thought about all those innocent lives that I took and countless other lives of relatives of the victims that I equally destroyed.

Tortureres were novie at best ... a week of hands on training at Iranian prisons would have taught them to ... rape the prisoners, then bring relatives of the prisoners and rape them in front of the prisoners (this is more effective if the prisoner was a man with small female children), put the prisoners in a coffin and pretend they are being burried alive, mock executions, beatings with cables, forcing prisoners' head into sewage tank .. just to mention a few methods that are known ... I am sure moslme akhonds have countless other methods.

Torutre is inhumane regardless who is doing the atrocity ... moslems, Christians, Wester, Eastern.  Unfortunately, it is not going away.


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CIA also trained Iran's SAVAK Agent on torture

by ./. (not verified) on Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:39 AM PDT

After the Iranian revolustion many savak agents came forward and testified that they were taken to a US training site in Pennsylvania for torture training. They claimed the technqiues that they applied to torture iranians under the shah's regime in Iran were taught by the CIA in PA. Therefore, this is nothing new. 9/11 was probably an excuse, they have done torture to many others in the past, but for some reason were all dampened so that the world public would not know about it.

regards.


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