Ergenekon linked to killings in Iran
Press TV
12-Apr-2009 (21 comments)

Former Iranian Minister of Labor Dariush Forouhar and his wife, who were stabbed to death in the same year, were also named as the group's targets in neighboring Iran. Both of the killings, the letter adds were due to the "target's" alleged connections to the leader of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) Abdullah Ocalan. This is while, in both cases, individuals within both countries have confessed to the killings.

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rosie is roxy is roshan

Thank you Mehrnaz. I believe (and please correct me if I'm wrong

by rosie is roxy is roshan on Tue Apr 14, 2009 07:00 AM PDT

that the Kurds are the descendants of the Medes, and so in a sense it could even be said that all Iranians are Kurds instead of all Kurds are Iranians. LOL? And I also know that people who are into the Iran Bozorg thing (which i guess could be called Pan-Iranism) like the SUNKA, pretty much lump everyone in Asia who was ever even momentarily associated with historical Persia and speaks an Indo-Iranian language into Iran. So Pashtos, Urdus, etc., yes. Turks, Khuzestani Arabs no. What I'm most curious about is how widespread (outside of the fanatics like the SUNKA who actually believe in the re-remergence of this mythological Iran Bozorg) believe like Anon74747, that all Kurds are Iranian, today, in 2009. i mean, how many people would actually say, "All Kurds are Iranian"? And would that be a geopolitical or historical statement?

I can't possibly imagine that most Kurds would agree, including a few Iranian Kurds.

In any case, the point you brought up about Palestine is something I also thought about. I think we all need to respect all the borders of modern nations as defined by what the nation as a member of the United Nations consists of, however with regions that have strong separatist movements being allowed to have referenda to decide if they can break with those nations. That would include the Tamils, the Darfurians, etc., and a lot of problems would be solved. The case of Israel/Palestine is far more complex (although not, like many here would like to claim, more terrible or important..it's just that no one gives a sh-t) but as far as I'm concerned, as long as Israel were no longer a Jewish state and the right of return were granted, that would solve that problem too. After a while, anyway, and if pigs could fly.

So...rather than set off some endless "debate" about Is/Pal (always a possibility, although it wouldn't happen about Darfur or Sri Lanka in a million years), I'm really wondering about my question in bold


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Mehrban

A7474, thank you for the response

by Mehrban on Tue Apr 14, 2009 05:45 AM PDT

but Forouhars were assassinated in Nov 1998 and Ocalan was captured in Feb 1999.  Forouhar could not have protested the capture of Ocalan.

Contact with Ocalan (on the run) is possible, Ocalan was tapping many sources to find refuge.  With Forouhar politically sidelined in Iran what kind of help could he give to the Kurds that would be threatening enough (for the Turks) to assassinate him? 


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MEHRNAZ SHAHABI

Kurds outside Iran

by MEHRNAZ SHAHABI on Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:52 AM PDT

Kurdistan has historically been part of the larger Iran.  However to say Kurds in Turkey or Iraq are Iranians is like saying that southern ex-Soviet republics are also Iranian!  There is just so much you can go back in reclaiming!  Although that has been deemed a legitimate claim by respected international bodies and western democracies when it comes to Israelites claiming territory from 3000 years ago!


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rosie is roxy is roshan

Kurds outside of Iran are Iranian?? Anon74747, is this a

by rosie is roxy is roshan on Mon Apr 13, 2009 06:36 PM PDT

common belief among Iranians or is this just a perspective of yours? I thought Kurds are Kurds and that's why they speak Kurdish and wherever they holdpassports is their nationality. So how are Turkish Kurds Iranians? In what Iran? Iran Bozorg? And isn't that an ultra-Nationalist belief too, like pan-Turkism? i mean obviously I completely defer to your knowledge of facts, it's just that as a non-Iranian this statement, which I've never heard before, really surprised me.


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Good question Mehraban

by Anonymous7474 (not verified) on Mon Apr 13, 2009 01:45 PM PDT

It is because Dariush Foruhar was protesting the capture of Ocalan. Foruhar believed Kurds outside of Iran are also Iranians and so he wanted to help them out. Of course Kurds are Iranians. So this did not go well with pan-Turkist Ultra-nationalist group.


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Mehrban

Why?

by Mehrban on Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:48 PM PDT

I wonder why an ultra nationalist Turkish group would use its resources to take out an Iranian dissident?

For alleged conversations with Ocalan??!!!!  


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ahvazi

Turkish press saying bad

by ahvazi on Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:40 AM PDT

Turkish press saying bad things about the Kurds.....No!!!!


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Stop hanging the guy for his post!

by Morning Joe (not verified) on Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM PDT

Why so much firework? All you have to say is PressTV belongs to Islamic Republic of Iran. I wonder what would happen to opposition if people like you come to power. You are already hanging Ostaad and everybody else who disagree with you on this thread.


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Fred:

by hugh (not verified) on Mon Apr 13, 2009 08:24 AM PDT

CASMII has to someday answer to the Iranian people for their treasonous acts. It is embarassing to watch them incriminate themselves deeper than they already have.


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Fred

CASMII lobby at its best

by Fred on Mon Apr 13, 2009 05:42 AM PDT

What a surprise, CASMII lobbyist supporting Islamist republic’s amateurish misinformation. What is next, the mass murder of the prisoners, stoning, rape, limb chopping, public floggings and crane assisted mass stringing ups are all the work of Martians?


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It is not just press TV

by mehrnaz (not verified) on Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:57 AM PDT

Let's see what comes out of this ...
I am speechless by this news.... Will there be a retrial? ...

Anonymous123456360, I agree.


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Mossad was involved?

by interesting (not verified) on Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:50 AM PDT

Why would one of the agents of this "Turkish nationalist" group just happen to be a Rabbi?

//www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/104585...
//www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1046230.html

if anybody was being set up, it was the Mullahs who got the blame. Why would they wait so long to wack a guy like foroohar? After all these years? He was a forgotten nobody compared to some other people still around.


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It is not just press TV

by Anonymous123456360 (not verified) on Sun Apr 12, 2009 08:55 PM PDT

Turkish media also states this:

Now I guess all of you guys will believe it. Of course had CNN said it, then it would have been your bible!

//todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=det...

//www.jahannews.com/fa/pages/?cid=45759


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ahvazi

  Press tv is

by ahvazi on Sun Apr 12, 2009 07:38 PM PDT

 

Press tv is unbelievable. They pour bullS*** 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. With IRI as its sources the bullS*** keeps on going and going....


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delldaar

Amazing piece of news !!

by delldaar on Sun Apr 12, 2009 04:32 PM PDT

Ostad,,thanks for a bit of very interesting revelation, by the way..I have nice bridge to sell, cheap..The Brooklyn bridge ! Real cheap.


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Press TV is your source,

by shameonsansoorchi (not verified) on Sun Apr 12, 2009 04:01 PM PDT

Press TV is your source, Oostad? Press TV is IRI's Fox News.

LOL


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Darius Kadivar

Ostaad aka Prince John

by Darius Kadivar on Sun Apr 12, 2009 03:09 PM PDT

The Queen is claiming the Crown you Stole from her husband back !

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-LmromTu-I&feature=related

We'll Get it back for her my friend as well as for our  Legitimate King and Countrymen and women ! 

Take My Word for THAT my Dear Prince John !

Oh and make sure the two serpants growing on your shoulders won't chew your brain off sooner or later.

You should know that Zahak's come and go but Iranzamin is eternal ...


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your source speaks volume.

by sickofiri (not verified) on Sun Apr 12, 2009 03:03 PM PDT

your source speaks volume. Khejalat nemikeshi?

What's next? You're going to approve nuking the Kurds in Iran like Saadam??

Shameful and pathetic rumor mongering.


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Ostaad

DK, if you're in the red meat business

by Ostaad on Sun Apr 12, 2009 03:01 PM PDT

I'm not buying- I mean biting.

How's the queen today?


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Darius Kadivar

How Convenient ...

by Darius Kadivar on Sun Apr 12, 2009 02:58 PM PDT

I suppose the Next grand revelation by the official IRI TV is that those responsible for the massacres of 1988 were Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck !  

By the way Ostaad, send my Regards to Anis Nacchache, apparently he is now a respectful businessman residing between Tehran and Lebenon.

Funny how destiny is just with the less meritant individuals on this planet and cruel with true Heros.

Naccache who was responsible for the death of a french Policeman and an innocent French women in the neighbourhood of Mr. Shapour Bakhtiar was freed in exchange to the liberation of the French Hostages in Lebenon during the proxy war of Iran with the French government through its allies in Lebanon in the mid 80's.

As for the Assassins of Dr. Bakhtiar, they are still living happily ever after in Iran under the IRI's protection.

I'm sure your friends will appreciate


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Ostaad

Ergenekon info

by Ostaad on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:36 AM PDT

Background info:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_(organization)


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