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Don’t sell Iranians short

Doomed,

Although your frustration is understandable and because of it the misguided blaming of the victims, Iranian people, you might want to take a look at the Constitutional revolution era.

In the depth of national despair Iranian men, women, yes specially women and even children stood their ground and against all odds defeated the forces of tyranny.

 As long as we have the brave Azaries, Kurds, Baluch, lurs, Gilaks and the rest of Iranian cultural guardians hope springs eternal.

Iran has seen and weathered many tyrannies, this too shall soon pass, Our collective experience foretells of good things to come, don’t sell Iranians short.

To Fred: this vicious cycle of deceit and fraud will never end!

Fred jaan;

The entire foreign media including BBC, CNN, WP, NYT, and a whole lot of other American, French, German and other European liberal or non-liberal media are making a lot of noise in favor of Moussavi and against Ahmadinejad. Even Israelis want to see him gone and replaced by Moussavi!

If not before, by now they are pretty much aware of what is really going on in Iran and who has and will have the final say in everything regardless of all this cockamamie show of the so called election BUT THEY STILL PREFER to stick their heads in the sand and pretend ignorance by publicizing in favor of this bozo Moussavi the engineer-turned-painter vis-a-vis that idiot!!

Considering the terrible economy, unemployment and recession all over America and Europe, the EU are hungrier than ever for the abundant lucrative oil, gas and trade contracts they once had before Ahmadinejad took power and gave away to Russia and China instead. American oil companies are also more anxious than ever to get back to Iran's oil and gas market! you can see the enormity of the activities of their lobbyists on this site alone!

They all just want to milk Iran dry and exploit her as much as possible to their advantage!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about Iranian people's well being or Iran's future! Iranian people themselves don't , let alone foreigners!!

Isn't this all too obvious to you to ignore?! Can't you tell?

P.S. I have no hope in Iranian people. They have given into the their Islamist wardens completely
and eveybody is focused on his or her immediate self interests regardless of others and/or the country , that's all!

The grace of Iranian nation

These are happy days for the resident Islamists/Anti-Semites and their likeminded lefty allies including the nuke lover, CASMII lobbyists  and other rabid Anti-Iranian lobbies 

The mere prospect of getting rid of Ahmadinejad is such an occasion for them that they can barely contain themselves and it is perfectly understandable. They mostly prefer a smile on the face of their Islamist tyranny and can’t bear the actual face of it as reflected by Ahmadinejad.

Not only it makes defending of their Islamist tyranny more difficult for them, it has also robbed them of the VIP status they enjoyed during the smiling-face of the tyranny. They used to be courted as high and mighty with frequent seminars on asinine subjects and showered with undeserved accolades. But most of all, seeing the reflection of themselves in the unmasked face of Islamists like Ahmadinejad is too close for comfort.
 
 BTW, the nuke lover’s boy has already admitted to receiving 300,000,000. in bribe and never answered the charge by Ahmadinejad, who is in the position to know, about having his own private prison, the Nuke Doc and his Islamist guru must be so proud.

 It is shaping up to be a rough time for the regime and its diehard supporters, by the grace of the Iranian nation this black page on Iranian history will be turned soon. 

Mammad

Who is confronting the candidates on behalf of the iranian people? Debates were such an innovative step indeed in iran's politics, but can you honestly make the claim that what really went on, was anything more than clashing of the personalities, and candidates settling personal scores? Where and When did anyone actually speak on behalf of the people and their TRUE needs?

Did you pay attention to the fact that rafsanjani made a point that hostilities have been going on for the past five years, and how he has kept his quiet on the issue until now? 

You really and truly have no idea as to how many people may have lost their desire to vote after watching the debate series. Boycotting the elections is not a crime, and the position held by either one of these candidates against MA was in no way reflective of Some active participation by the people. Not to disrespect all the young people who had a role in their prospective candidate's campaigning, but i wonder what percentage of those people actually read and developed an understanding of the plans that each candidate proposes to implement once they are elected as president, before jumping in to the streets chanting slogans.

Kazemzadeh's grand plan

First, the plan was that the regime would lose legitimacy, no matter who is elected. Then, by some magical process after that there will be eternal peace and democracy.

Now, the plan is (or was "all along") that Ahmadinejad be elected so the regime's in-fighting will lead to -- again by some magical process -- to overthrowing of the regime.

In a few days, I suspect the plan might be something like: that "apppointing Mousavi", and "dumping Ahmadinejad" is a sign of "retreat" by the regime and therefore it's just the beginning of a (magical) process of IRI destruction.

The point is, whatever happens in the future, that's what the plan was! The welfare, health and will of the Iranian citizens is not particularly important in this equation.

It reminds me of a conversation I had with a staunch Saltanat-Talab last years. He actually said this The Mullah dicatatorship is very clever, it always backs the most popular candidate.

so nicely said mammad

... so nicely said ... every time I read your comments, I look for a reason to criticize it, but I consistently fail (almost)! :)

Kazemzadeh

Correct.

But, what made this possible? Your call and that of the fossilized, and influenceless NF for boycotting the elections, or active participation in the electoral process?

Even the most naive person knows that participating in the election process does not necessarily mean voting. It means taking advantage of the situation, talking about the true demands and needs of the people, confronting the candidates, imposing the demands of the people on the candidates, etc.

The debates between the candidates were a great leap forward, because they crossed so many red lines, broke so many taboos, and brought about such fundamental and irreversible changes to the political scene and the psychology of the nation.

And why? Because people did not boycot the elections. Did not listen to such people as you. Rather, they actively participated in it, and forced the the three candidates who oppose MA to take constructive positions. 

What made all of this possible? The wisdom of people who are light years ahead of people like yourself who, despite all of their claims to being secular, have made their single vote the holiest of the holiest! And, voting is only the last stage of this process, and one may or may not vote, as it is a right not a duty.

But, people like you do not seem to know such elementary principles, despite all the claims that they have about their knowledge. And, it is not surprising. Anybody who puts Khatami and the reformists in the same basket as the fundamentalists is simply out of touch, to put it extremely politely.

Mammad

Kazemzadeh!

And unfortunately good chunk of the opposition consists of people such as yourself.....

very interesting!

One thief complaining to anther thief, thats what I call Edalate Islami.

Rafsanjani acts like people had no idea he was a thief!!!!!

Everybody in Iran since 1990s has known Rafsanjani and sons are BIG TIME corrupt thieves!

Abbas Paalizdaar who is now languishing in jail spilled the beans on these corrupt creatures just a few months ago!

Why does he think nobody knew before what his entire corrupt clan were all about?!!!!

The coming wars among fundamentalists

I was going to post this.  I think this is another major sign of a major serious BLOODY purges among the fundamentalists.  NOTHING like this had occurred among the fundamentalists.  Rafsanjani making this public and comparing what is going on to their fights with President Bani Sadr, the PMOI, and other who wanted to get rid of the fundamentalists.

This is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry serious.  NOTHING since 1981 has put the regime in trouble like this.

An Ahmadinejad victory means a serious attack (violent) on Rafsanjani, Khatami, and the reformist members of the fundamentalist oligarchy.

We are seeing only a small fraction of their internal fights.  This is great news for those who oppose the regime.  This is terrible news for the fundamentalist regime.

heeeeeee heeeee 

Liberal_hAye dozd, fanatic_hAye nAdorost, and

..... mainly foreign controlled opposition!

bad, ugly, and badly ugly

No one cares

It's election time, the heat is different, excitement high. No one cares about what Ahmadinejad did or did not say.