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by the way Fred

That was very rich coming from someone who openly admits to "supports certain policies of a powerful lobby" (AIPAC) but claims he has never supported military attack on Iran!!

how does that work?

IRANdokht

Sanction-be-sanction

The sworn enemies of the Iranian people are setting their sights on the livelihood of the Iranian poor and middle classes. Sanctions do not even put a dent in the ruling class's armor, not even a scratch on their armored cars' paint.

Sanctions invariably hurt those who don't have access to government handouts, generous subsidies, low-interest loans and juicy contracts and off-shore accounts. Those happen to be the very people who are standing up to the regime demanding the restoration of their human/civil rights. In this regard, sanctions of any kind are counter-productive and utterly harmful to the Iranian people of medest means.  Sanctions strengthen the regime's hands in controlling the economy and consequently the people's incomes and livelihood.

The biggest help the US can provide the Iranian people is lifting ALL sanctions and encouraging, or not blocking, foreign investments in Iran. Such investments will lead to the creation of the private sector and pushes Iran towards joining the global economy, which in turn loosens the regime's grip on many aspects of economic activities in Iran.

There are no such things as, "targeted sanctions". All sanctions work against the interests of both while and blue color working class in Iran. Ironically that is PRECISELY the argument ALL Iran's enemies, including the Amen Corner choir boys, characters like Fred whose eyes are fixed on the AIPAC-donated sheet music, put forward to achieve "regime change". What these career Iran-haters are saying, and Israel agrees with them fully, is the Iranian people must be HURT so hard that they would turn against the regime and topple it!!!

History has shown repeatedly that people coalesce around whatever kind of government in power when they face foreign aggression.

ALL sanctions against Iran must be lifted, ASAP. 

Don't worry Fred

I said the same thing about Makhmalbaf too, actually I said worse about him because I saw him as lacking dignity when in EU. Some of his speech was good but then he went way too far. The first speech at the gathering was good, but when he went to EU and started asking them to interfere with Iran's internal affairs, he was completely out of line.

Makhmalbaf said he speaks for Mousavi, I am yet to hear Mousavi saying that everything makhmalbaf said was approved by him. That's not the same thing.

IRANdokht

یک بام و دو هوا

There are some fashions conscious people, who claim to be on the side of the people, accept the leader of a given movement that is presumably leading the same people and at the same time disagree with that leader’s representative calling for sanctions.

Being not a small trivial mater, should the leader of these people not agree with his rep he would have had right away issued a strong denunciation of his rep’s advocacy for sanctions, which is not the case.  

 The same people label anyone who calls for the same sanctions as right wingers who are after bringing death and destruction to Iran.  The same fashions conscious people don’t see the inherent contradiction.  To put it simply:

Fred advocating sanctions = Fred is a "crap" spewing right winger who wants to bring death and destruction to his own mother country.

Makhmalbaf, the rep of the fashion conscious’ leader advocating the same sanctions =  logical deduction, the said leader is after the same thing as Fred is, that is to bring death and destruction to Iran. Therefore the leader of these people is of the same material as Fred is.

 Ergo, the leader's followers are either after the same thing, i.e. death & destruction or are confused and follow someone without knowing his goal, for example like it happened thirty years ago.

But in the fashion conscious world of wishy-washiness their leader is well, what is their leader after?

Ps. those people who insist on decorum should lead by example.

wishy washy?

First of all, accepting Mousavi as the leader of the green movement at this time and not liking Makhmalbaf's stupid plea to the EU is not a sign of being wishy washy. It's actually what I and many others are proud of: our power of  independent thinking 

Even if I or anyone else who are open-minded and value clarity of thoughts and reasoning, change our course with new and better information, it wouldn't be called "wishy washy" it's called not having the blinders on and not following the herd.

But you wouldn't understand that concept. 

and for the second time: learn some manners and address people directly and politely when you respond to them. I doubt that you were raised in a barn, don't go proving me wrong now.

IRANdokht

Fashion conscious

Those choosing changeable ideology in order to fit the season or given conversation due to their demonstrable ideological wishy-washiness are called fashion conscious.  

Dear Fred

Unlike the right-wing mentality, liberals enjoy an open mind and do not have to act as sheep following their leaders blindly and repeating sound bites.

That's why on the surface it appears that you guys outnumber us, but in reality we're everywhere from every ideology, every race, every mentality and we cover a wide range from centerist to far left. So spare me the usual parrot-like crap that you spew everywhere else.

FYI: Makhmalbaf did not impress me. I did not agree with his pathetic cry for help at the EU that made our green movement sound needy and inferior.I don't have to agree with everything Mousavi says either. I accept him as the leader of the green movement because I am on the side of my people. I don't have to follow anyone blindly: I am a liberal.

oh yeah one more thing dear Mr manners: When you address me, do not speak of me as third person!

IRANdokht

Ask Makhmalbaf

Those with sporadic seasonal tendencies who have issue with sanctions and their understanding of the issue is limited to prepackaged sound bites should ask Makhmalbaf for he speaks their language and can probably better explain it to them.

 He is the overseas rep of their candidate, at least the candidate has not refuted Makhmalbaf’s claim of being his rep. In more than one occasion, and in public settings, he has called for sanctions.

Déjà vu

After 12 years of strict sanctions on Iraq that left 500,000 children dead, the neocons claimed sanctions don't work so they went ahead and bombed Iraq. I don't think I have to remind you of the devastation that was caused there.

I certainly don't want the same thing to happen to my country Fred, do you? Are you for sanctions that kill people? or would you prefer to kill them with bombs?

The hate for "islamists cutthroats" as you keep calling them is justifying death and destruction of your own country. I think it's about time to reevaluate...

IRANdokht

Airtight sanctions now!

What the mishmash of a write up by Robert Naiman boils down to is, if this and if that were to happen then if the other were to happen as the result we will have the possibility of the chance to have an iffy opening to prolong the indecision. 

 In order to avoid a disastrous unwanted war airtight sanctions are needed to hasten the demise of the Islamist cutthroats republic.