Has Iran Actually Violated Any Specific International Obligations Here?
Washington Independent / Spencer Ackerman
28-Sep-2009 (54 comments)

Under the NPT, each state negotiates a safeguards agreement to the IAEA so the atomic watchdog can work out where and how to establish monitoring devices like cameras at declared facilities. “Iran’s specific safeguards agreement doesn’t say anything about the time limits for the provision of design information,” says Ivanka Barzashka, an analyst with the Federation of American Scientists’ Strategic Security Program. Specific time-frames for site or design disclosure typically occur in additional “subsidiary arrangements,” and usually provide for disclosure around 180 days before the introduction of nuclear material into a given facility. But Iran’s subsidiary arrangement with the IAEA “has not been made public as far as I know,” Barzashka says.

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Shah Ghollam

Iran has not broken IAEA regulation as cried out

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The answer is NO

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Western countries put pressure on IAEA to pretend like Iran has signed and is executing the additional protocol. Iran did for a time voluntarily follow those rules, but it did not lead anywhere. The fact is the additional protocol has never been ratified by Iranian parliament and Iran is still 100% compliant with IAEA standing rules. End of story.

The rest is just media spin.

Iran Nuke Scoop: Scott Ritter says Iran didn't violate anything


Setareh Cheshmakzan

Shepesh jan

by Setareh Cheshmakzan on


Thanks for the link  to El-Bardei's interview.  He does say Iran has been "outside the law" for not having declared the prospective Qom enrichment plant earlier.  Iran argues that according to the NPT rules Iran was only obliged to declare the plant 180 days before introducing nuclear material. However he also says:   

 "Iran came to us a bit late but did declare to us. And of course, we will then go and make sure that we have proper verification. But we need the verification to make sure that there are no undeclared activities going on in Iran and that is the missing part that I would like to do".  Iran has agreed to full inspection.  But more importantly, is El-Baradei's reply to this question: 

 

"CNN-IBN: Do you believe Iran has a nuclear weapons programme?

 

Mohamed ElBaradei: "I do not think, based on what we see, that Iran has an on-going nuclear weapons programme. Whether they have done some weaponisation studies, as was claimed by the US and others, this is one of the issues that are still outstanding. But I have not seen any credible evidence to suggest that Iran has an on-going nuclear programme today. I hope that they are not having one". 

 

 

 

 


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Bijan

by sag koochooloo on

I totally agree with you and Shepesh. Iranians are sick of propoganda on both sides (coming from West and coming from Iran). It is best to find out what the facts are on the basis of the LAW than to listen to hearsay and opinions of journalists etc. which reafirm our personal views and discard others which do not.

The comments of some that you have highlighted are typical off topic statements deflecting about this particular discussion and attempting to discredit others (perhaps unintentionally, but it does) -  Has Iran Actually Violated Any Specific International Obligations Here?

Say Iran (IRI) does develop nuclear weapons, who controls them? Khamenei, Revolutionary Guard, who? And if they get into hands of the groups Iran supplies weapons to, and if their leader is an irrational person or extremist, if they bomb Israel, Iran will be bombed immediately -> WW3.

So say NO to this regime getting nuclear weapons. But YES to nuclear fuel technology, where Iran should obey agreed laws. This is for the safeguarding of the Iranian people.


Bijan A M

How I see it

by Bijan A M on

The issue surrounding Iranian nuclear development has been entirely misrepresented in the comment section of this blog. Many use “Iranian” and “IRI” interchangeably which invalidates the foundation of their arguments. There is nothing Iranian about IRI. A theocrat stole a nation (with the help of a bunch of leftists and liberals) and took the entire population hostage to its barbarities. Of course Iranians have the right to have access to the nuclear technology and even nuclear weapons like any other civilized nation on this planet, but not IRI.

 IRI has relinquished that right not through their rhetoric but by their actions. Their nonsensical ideology justifies support of any group that helps them propagate their idiotic principles at any price. They have clearly demonstrated this evil agenda. Almost, the entire socialist/communist world, from Europe to China to Russia and even the socialist United State are against a nuclear IRI (Not Iran). A system that has zero tolerance for opposition cannot be trusted with WMD.

 Many with political motivations (Including Dr. Paul) blur the distinction between IRI and Iranian to validate their criticisms of US foreign policies. They go as far as calling opposition to IRI’s access to WMD as “warmongering”. The human race, for the sake of peace, has to stop IRI’s access to atomic bomb. This has nothing to do with nationalism and everything to do with rationalism. Whether IRI has complied with NPT or not is irrelevant. They cannot be trusted, period.

Please don’t mix up your grievances against the west’s policies with the rights of IRI. Hate and despise Zionism as much as you like but don’t let that hate justify placing WMD in the hands of IRI. Be realist.

Speaking of Zionism, Mr. Shah Gholam or Kharmagas, would you please define for an uneducated person like me what is meant by Zionism? Who is a Zionist? Is there such a thing as a “good” Zionist? And one more question: do you believe in a two state solution?

 
Also to Ms. Irandokht who always insults me regardless of what I post, I respectfully disagree with your sophistry in your comment:

“The problem is that some of us are allowing our emotions and our disregard for the mullahs regime translate into a complete disregard for fairness and global peace and human rights issues. Here's one example: IRI is a violator of human rights and so is Israel in a much larger scale and for a much longer time……”

You try, in the name of fairness, lighten up IRI’s violation of human rights by contrasting it to Israel’s violation. Have you forgotten how IRI reacted to the slightest hint of a threat to its existence? Did human rights even have a meaning when MKO was annihilated in the early 80’s?. Now, compare the two systems when both are faced with the threat of elimination.

Go ahead, label me a Zionist, Neo-con, warmonger, or whatever pleases you. None of that will change the fact. And  the fact is that IRI cannot be trusted with atomic bomb.  


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Anonymous Observer

Gholam

by Anonymous Observer on

For once in your life answer a question without an ad hominem attack.  Ready?  Here it comes:

wher in my comment here, or anywhere else for that matter, have I supported an attack on Iran?  If anything, I have always been an outspoken opponenet of it.  Disagreeing with you, or advocating the demise of mullahs, does not equal favoring an attack on Iran.

You should learn some manners and basic rules of debate.  You don't win debates by attacking the debater and slandering him. 


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Shah Ghollam

Anonymous Observer

by Shah Ghollam on

and let me save you a comment and say it myself: I am a paid Israeli agent, Zionist, fascist, American tool....etc.!

You must be! After all, in WWII, if people like you were protecting Hitler and Gestapo would be called Nazis. natzis, for your information had the same Wordly status as the Zionists have today. You are right on the dot supporting a global cancer whle barking at Iran. I guess the following statement by Pepe Escobar defines a lot of members here:

"As much as the military dictatorship of the mullahtariat may be distasteful for the world and for a lot of Iranian citizens, the end does not justify the means. And the means won't lead to the desired end, as an attack on Iran will make the whole population rally behind the regime."

Finally, your reference to me as a "stateless omatti" is most likekly for your lack of better word, I would say! What you really saying is that I am a "Wordly" individual and i take that as a complement!

Boldly expose Zionists, help humanity!

 


capt_ayhab

Mr. KourushS

by capt_ayhab on

I just saw your comment, but unfortunately I am running late for my class, allow me to elaborate in couple of hours.

Thank you sir for your time.

 

-YT 


Anonymous Observer

Really Gholam?

by Anonymous Observer on

"Only racists think becoming shoulder to shoulder with people from Lebanon, Gaza, West bank and so forth is life's hell."

Really?  What if one doesn't like the weather in Gaza, and thus, doesn't want to live there.  Does that make the person a racist?!!! 

Stop pulling an Ahmadinejad by changing the subject and changing what I said.  I never said that "becoming shoulder to shoulder with people from Lebanon, Gaza, West bank and so forth is life's hell."

What I said was: "Your mullahs might as well start picking a place to live in Gaza of South Lebanon, because that's where they're going to end up soon." And what that means is that no other place in the planet will give refuge to these thieves and murderers.

And as far as you saying that " I have no problem where I end up", well, we already knew that.  Because you are, afer all, just another stateless ommatti.

and let me save you a comment and say it myself: I am a paid Israeli agent, Zionist, fascist, American tool....etc.!


kharmagas

U.S/Israeli domination of the Middle East (to Payam)

by kharmagas on

... some of the animosity towards Iran by the pro Israeli crowd (particularly in the U.S) started right about the end of Shah's time. There were some Zionist extremists who did not like the steps that Shah was taking towards making Iran independent and prosperous in his later years (e.g., watch Shah's interview with 60 minutes Mike. W.).

... Israeli animosity towards Iran after the revolution was the continuation of the process that had already started ...., but it entered a new phase...... to ensure unquestionable U.S/Israeli domination of the Middle East.

 


پیام

Those that don't really want to get involvled in felesrin-esrail

by پیام on

deal, must be zionists and are thus supporting esrail. Well, let me give you a history lesson; The whole hate towards Iran by esrail government started only after 1979 and after reactionaries inside i.r. started to operate against esrail in order to free felestini brothers. But in the past 30 yeras much is changend and Iranians aren't as favourable towards felestin anymore ( as you witnessed in recent qods day). Most Iranians are righteous people who have no beef with any nation. We wish felestini's and esrailis peace and prosperity. But we care more about Iran, the rest is not are business and untill we haven't got are own game straight, we won't meddle in other nations matter. Even more since we are hated by arabs ( read history for facts) and it must be suicide to help your enemy. And the majority of arab brothers of felestini's even decline to help felestin anymore and have co-sided with esrail. I really hope to see peace between the two group one day, but the matter that concerns me more right now is my own land and not the zionist's conspiracy ( term used often by Hitler and now adopted by hezbollahi scum) to rule the world.


Shah Ghollam

Anonymous Observer

by Shah Ghollam on

The one who speaks of 'fear' is you! I have no fear, the truth for me has led to my conviction. I have no problem where I end up, specially if I am going "home" to Iran! How funny, you are scaring iranians of going home?

Only racists think becoming shoulder to shoulder with people from Lebanon, Gaza, West bank and so forth is life's hell. Life has taught me how to get along with different people..............can you claim the same?

Boldly expose Zionists, help humanity!


Anonymous Observer

Gholam

by Anonymous Observer on

you know what should scare you and your government the most?  This: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA1tFgzCbmQ&feature=player_embedded#t=33

where Iranians, inside Iran, are singing "ey Iran"..no Palestine, no Israel, no Russia,  Just Iran.  They're singing that to send a message to the anti-Iranian regime that has been killing them, raping them, torturing them, jailing them and oppressing them for the past 30 years, and now, to top it all off, it is planning on erasing their history from school history books and replace it with their version of manufactured history. 

They really should be scared.  This is a very small sign that your propaganda will not work anymore.  Your mullahs might as well start picking a place to live in Gaza of South Lebanon, because that's where they're going to end up soon.


kharmagas

Ron Paul is more fair to Iran than many "Iranians" here!

by kharmagas on

Isn't it sad that Ron Paul is much more fair to Iran than many of the "Iranian" "patriots" here..... {see the clip from timothyfloyd right below}

VIVA Iran, green or not


Shah Ghollam

Kharmagas

by Shah Ghollam on

My pleasure!!!! I do it as a matter of conviction to help humanity. It is a duty to expose Zionists, the most dangerous entity to the world peace and well being for all living and the future generations. it is an empty fallacy that Israel does not have anything to do with Iran problems. The reality is that the Zionists are far more involved with Iran than anyone could imagine. The Zionists are racists and do not believe in equality specially in power sharing. They see Iran in the ME as a rival as a most industrious, rich with resources, mostely educated population, filled with oil and gas and with a glourious history that has rulled over Israel/Palestine under its for centuries. They don't like that!!!! Iran is an ambitious country and they see it as a major trouble for their expansion in ME.

Expose Zionists, help humanity!

 


IRANdokht

Thank you for the video Timothy

by IRANdokht on

Dr Paul is more of a Libertarian than a republican. At least he's very much against the new face of the Republican which embraces the rise of the neocons. It's curious that he's saying Iranians are not with NPT (which they are a signatory of) but doesn't mention who is not:

The NPT is the most widely accepted arms control agreement; only Israel, India, and Pakistan have never been signatories of the Treaty, and North Korea withdrew from the Treaty in 2003

 

As I mentioned before, this whole business is very fishy and it sounds like some dealing is going on behind the scene. Warmongering actually benefits Ahmadinejad's government more than it does Obama's.

What Ron Paul is saying about everything and especially the sanctions effect on Iran and Iranians is absolutely true. He's not defending the IRI either, but I doubt anyone would call him an "apologist" like they so freely label people here!!!  I wish they'd listen to him.

IRANdokht


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Sure

by KouroshS on

You can cure my personality all you want. You take the potent material, and i will enjoy watching the consequance of the material all over your face.


Faramarz_Fateh

Mr. Nourai Chapter 5 is blame Shazde's hemmoroids

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Mr. Nourai Chapter 5 is blame Shazde Asdollah Mirza's hemmoroids on Israel.

 


kharmagas

that too Kourosh!

by kharmagas on

Kourosh, hot air cannon would only put in place the deterrence with one side of you .... the potent material that you mentioned would be needed for deterrence with the other aspect of your personality!


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Dr. Paul A Republican Chimes In

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Kharmagas

by KouroshS on

ooooooKay!!!

Are you trying to say that you love beans?


kharmagas

KouroshS

by kharmagas on

Kourosh says: " That is like saying just because my neighbor has just bought a gun and......."

Kourosh, if you happen to be my neighbor I wouldn't buy a gun, but would definitely buy a hot air operated cannon even if you did not have a firearm!


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I wish

by KouroshS on

Those who would accuse others of being AIPAC supportes and WARMONGERS would just get real. This is getting old.

Mr. Capitain

You are saying two completely different things. I get it . You are for nuclear disarmament, But when is the "defending" concept come into play? IS iran being attacked by anyone currently so that the necessity of defending ourselves becomes an issue,  or are we only basing that our super imaginative minds and all the rhetoric that we hear? That is like saying just because my neighbor has just bought a gun and i live in a bad part of town then i should be ready and perhaps buy one too. It is called paranoia. As we all are hearing more sanctions are the order of the day and judging by the way IRI has been playing this game, there is  BIG CHANCE that they are going stop barking and come the heck around. They have proven their cowardice by now.

I agree with another commenter that The issue that should get a priority consideration is The feud between the Pakis and the Indians and the fact that they are so ready to go Nuclear on one another's behinds at a drop of a hat. A more credible and realistic threat than the matter of US or ISrael attacking iran.

 


capt_ayhab

Shepsh Jan - an update

by capt_ayhab on

I just read this in another blog and I thought it might intrest you.

//www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27599.ht...

excerpts:

But behind the scenes, the Obama administration was furiously preparing
for a major public intelligence disclosure that it had not planned to
make: that the U.S. had known for years about a previously undisclosed
clandestine nuclear enrichment facility Iran has been building since
2005 in a mountain near Qom
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Why would the White House have preferred not to publicly disclose its
Qom evidence, seemingly something of a smoking gun for the case that
Iran hasn’t been transparent about even its current nuclear activities?
Why was it only prompted to make the announcement after it learned of
Iran’s letter to the IAEA?

“Because the Iranians are trying to get in front and create an argument
that they didn't do anything wrong,” the Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace’s George Perkovich told POLITICO. “So to try to
block that, Obama had to get [it] out. We would have been better off
not announcing and keeping it as leverage and a way to see if the
Iranians kept their word in a future deal.”

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that the
IAEA did not notify the United States or other member states of the
letter it received from Iran.


End Excerpts   Just a pissing match between two countries.

 

-YT 


kharmagas

Shah Gholam damet garm

by kharmagas on

Shah Gholam,

ideologically and politically I differ with you a lot (I
am not a Muslim and politically I am not too far from Jewish liberals).
However, I find it great that you get under the skin of the Zionistak,
closet war monger Shahis, Farhad chAkhAn the Israeli worshiper, .., and
of course the sosool AristoClown. Damet garm!


Farhad Kashani

Guys, People like

by Farhad Kashani on

Guys,

People like Khamanei and his supporters like Shah Gholam are at the very bottom of what the Iranian society has to offer. They are the worst of the worst. Every society has that group of people, and in Iran it’s the IRI regime and its Leftist supporters like Shah Gholam. Unfortunately, in Iran’s case Leftist ideas got mixed with Iranian negative attitudes and the result is people like Shah Gholam!

Who in his right mind supports this regime anymore? It has bluntly stated that we have been hiding sites and hiding info from IAEA and these people still think IRI is honest! They shoot young women in the face and kill them for asking their basic rights, and these people think IRI is righteous because it barks anti Israeli propaganda!

What are these people? Dumb? Out of touch? Propagandists? Filled with hate that makes them support “hate” or not see IRIs evil? Maybe all of the above.


capt_ayhab

Shepesh Jan

by capt_ayhab on

Oh God man, I know your pain. These IR monsters have pillaged our national wealth, killed our babies, raped our women and men, and have brought utter disgrace and pain to our country.

I have absolutely no argument in that respect, but I will never wish for any foreign country to invade Iran, nor would I ever wish for any sanction that would end up hurting working and already wounded Iranian people.

As one of my dear friends in this site always says, No war, No Sanctions on Iran....

Thank you sir for your civil debate, and informative comments.

-YT 


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capt_ayhab

Sepesh Jan

by capt_ayhab on

You stated[ This is not accurate. Please see my earlier post]

I respectfully disagree please see report filed by Tehran Bureau:

//www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbure...

Excerpts:

In a document called Public Points for Qom Disclosure,
the Obama administration states that the [Qom] facility has been under
construction for several years. But it fails to say when the
construction actually began. If the decision to construct the facility
was made before Feb. 26, 2003, and the preliminary work also began
before that date, then Iran has not violated any of its obligations
under the Safeguards Agreement. In fact, there is nothing in the
Safeguards Agreement that says that the modified Code 3.1 should be
applied retroactively.
If that were the case, even the Natanz facility
would have been illegal, which it is not.

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If, as it appears, preliminary work on the Qom facility began in the
early 1990s, Iran has not violated its obligations under the Safeguards
Agreement.

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Regards

-YT