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Dear AsteroidX I am not offended at all :)

I truely didn't feel offended. As you said we can agree to disagree and that is fine.

I am also a scientist, therefore you and I know that science is discovery of man, we have created science and we are still exploring. Science is not something above us it is a part of the whole.

It is all through inspiration that man has been able to discover nature and whatever is in it.

And I read my own comment again and I don't know why you thought I was offended.

warm regards.

Parvaneh jan I did not mean to offend ...

considering the mountains of evidence that science has to offer yet it hasn't been able to offer that God doesn't exist.

This is exactly what religious people say all the time. You do not try to prove something does not exist, but that something exists!

The science hasn't been able to explain many things and we do realize this in many arenas of science.

But science does not make things up. It requires proof for something to exist, a hypothesis and proof.

As pink and spacy as it may sound to you specially that I am a woman

Please do not bring gender into a discussion, as that is a deflection from the subject.

"love"

So you are saying that non-religious people cannot love! Or have “harmony with heart and mind” and concept of humanity?

I recommend to all my friends to look into the Baha'i writings and ask and google whatever you want in relation to Baha'i.

I know, my father was a Bahai, my mother a Catholic. I have looked into religion, believe me! You are right I am a scientist.

Parvaneh jan, I did not mean to offend. I am just discussing. I support Human Rights for everyone and think people should be free to chose their path in life. I only wanted to comment on the title of the article, about logic and association of good things/ advancing civilization with religion. That is all I was trying to say. Lets just agree to disagree on the title. I do not agree that religion is logical route to progress or a requirement for it. Kind regards.

considering the mountains of evidence

considering the mountains of evidence that science has to offer yet it hasn't been able to offer that God doesn't exist.

The science hasn't been able to explain many things and we do realize this in many arenas of science. As we get more involved with science in our areas( I assume you are also dealing with some kind of science) we many times get to the dead- end street.

Has science discovered what is the power that holds an atom together?

As pink and spacy as it may sound to you specially that I am a woman, I think the power is called "love"! Someone once said the answers to the most complicated question are the simplest.

And let me share this with you:

"Scientific discoveries have greatly increased material civilization.
There is in existence a stupendous force, as yet, happily, undiscovered by man.
Let us supplicate God, the Beloved, that this force be not discovered by science
until Spiritual Civilization, i.e. the Kingdom, shall dominate the human mind.
In the hands of men of lower material nature, this power would be able
to destroy the whole earth.

This is from the Holy scriptures of the Baha'i faith, the quote is older than the atmic bomb, it actually is from 1913.

When I was learning about the Baha'i Faith what i loved was that religion should be in harmony with heart and mind. It has been a choice I have made in my life, and everyday I find something interesting that makes my belief even stronger.

Religion is at the end of the day the matter of Faith, either one believes that there is a higher power or not. But the writings and the holy scriptures are the interesting part specially when one sees how wonderfully they draw the vision for humanity.These ones really teach us how to create an ever advancing civilization.

I recommend to all my friends to look into the Baha'i writings and ask and google whatever you want in relation to Baha'i. The more detailed question you ask the more detail answers you will get. It is a great journey but there is a condition: The seeker has to free his heart from both love and hatred!

Parvaneh jan

I do not mean any disrespect, but to me believing in a God would be most illogical considering the mountains of evidence that science has to offer. The burden of proof is on you to prove that God does exist. There is no evidence and believing “Messengers of God” and their writings on blind faith is not logical. To state that something exists because you may not see it is an argument used constantly, but then I can create a cult of the “Invisible Man” simply because I choose to believe in an invisible man I saw in a dream.   

I respect people and their beliefs, but my point about this article is that religion does not have to be connected to the list of  real aspirations for a better world.

Dear AsteroidX

Thank you for your kind comment. As much as I believe in a need for religion,I, as well believe not every human being feels the need for religion, so I would like you to know I totally respect people who don't feel the need for religion.

Religion because of the central believe in "God" an incomprehnsible thing for human mind sounds obsecure. I don't say I know God, but I say I have recognized God through His manifestations and by that I mean messangers and/prophest like Noah, Abraham.....Moses, Jesus, Mohammad and now Baha'u'llah. 

I hope you don't mind me explaining this a bit long. If I create something lets say a painting or a table, that creation for the mere reason of being below my station can not know me, a piece of art as a created can not grasp the station of the artist(the creator). I see my relationship with God the same way. 

At the same time learning a little bit about different religions I have learned that each had come to humanity for a reason. And if you say they are man made I can only agree with you with what we see of religions today.What we see is man made but the origin of each religion has been for the development of man.

Why do I say the article is logic? Because the reporter has written what is so logical to you and me today, all the points that you have dear AsteroidX copy pasted from the article! These are the points that Baha'u'llah has brought to the attention of Humanity 167 years ago. Thank to Him that today you, I and the reporter find these very logical. What I am trying to say is that as wage as the religion has become in today's world and as hard it is to beleive, the origin of all good has come to man from that very incomprehesive source.

You see how we say 2+2=more than 4, because there are things that our logic doesn't understand but they exist.

I remain with respet.

P

This says it all

"this physical world is for us to develop in preparation for the next stop"

Is that not the crux of it Faryar, that people need that reassurance that this life is not just it? Religion has nothing to do with reality. It is a security blanket and hope for living on.

Your words and comparison between religious and non-religious people are a little patronising and "preachy". "However, sadly  "????You are not more enlightened, lacking in fear or more secure because you believe in God. These smug assumptions are what I really find irritating about religious people. Sorry but it needs to be said.

Anita: To believe or not...

I agree with your statement: 

"Personally I have met many wonderful people who don't practice religion and even don't believe in God! and vice-versa!"

I have a few in my loving extended family. They are unique and  truly wonderful ..

However, sadly  one by one,  i see them age and weaken; lose their former health and physical vigour; and become less socially active to the point where they are hardly seen in family gatherings, because all that sustained them in life was essentially physical in nature.

The difference between wonderful people without any belief in God and Spirituality, with those that have some kind of belief as a humble creation of God  is most often the lack of fear, detachment ,and resignation to recognized greater will than themselves, who believe with certainty that there is a definite purpose and direction for the physical life; hence, this physical world is for us to develop in preparation for the next "stop" as Spiritual world  , as the world of the womb is the physical preparation for this physical existence.

Every person sooner or later will come to ponder and face these questions; This is an immense subject for study, and reflection ..

regards

faryar 

Religion!

Personally I have met many wonderful people who don't practice religion and even don't believe in God! and vice-versa!

Parvaneh jan

I appreciate what you are saying about a better world religion. But why do we NEED religion for the following?

• Elimination of all forms of prejudice
• Equality between men and women
• Harmony of science and religion
• World peace upheld by a world government
• Spiritual solutions to economic problems
• Universal education

When you say True seeker with logical mind, it is a contradiction of logic and facts to say there is an invisible attachment-figure called God . Religion is a manmade creation. Sorry but it is the heading of this article that I find illogical: "True seeker with a logical mind".