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Ms. Ansari

There was a time when Iranians in diaspora could afford to be apathetic
or ambivalent about how they felt about the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Really!! When was that? Or is it just a figure of speech?

a government that has brutalized its own people and is now doing it to other nations in the region, too.

So, tell me! I suppose it is all well to you to brutalize other people as an acceptable norm in the world we live today but brutalizing your own is a no go? Let me help you with this. This mentality is the one vastly propagated by the US and the Zio-Fascists to eat from the both end of their mouths. So long as they are on the rampage smoking and massacring innocent in thousands it is all "fine". Hopefully you catch the drift here and totally realize why the talk of the mass media is not so much of killing these days buy killing your own!!!

Your joy and glee and flippant remarks about the Islamic Republic's
dubious military "achievements" and "advances" do not portray you as a
patriotic Iranian.

Really? Then morning and bitching and posting anything about what you deem as tarnishing Iran's image must be "patriotic" indeed. Well, what else is new? and could you explain how did you become a military expert too to distinguish "dubious" military technology?

Just for you to know, the real brass in D.C., NATO and in the Zio-fascist entity have a different opinion. These unattractive "military advances" have served my family in Iran greatly. If it was not for the efforts of those Iranian men and women in uniform or in military factories, Iran would have been made worse than Iraq and Afghanistan since NATO and the Zio-fascists know no humanity or Taarof with you or me. They would have turned Iran into a pile of trash and ash of perhaps millions of Iranians . Given Iran never colluded with these entities since revolution as Saddam Hussein and Al-Quaida did, I will only leave it to imagination the intensity of their possible attack against Iran as for thirty two years Iran stood as an impediment to their hegemonic plans. Force yourself to think a little.

History will not be kind to those who closed their eyes on the gross
violations of human rights and Islamic Republic's warmongering, even
against its own nation. 

True, that is why history will be pretty rough on those who for their self fulfilling vengeance would sell their own country to any foreign thug if it offered an even a slight hope of attacking Iran to hopefully remove IRI. There may be some Iranians killed today (though very tough to argue that it is out of norm in the region just in case if you did not notice) but as everything has its time, this is a very wrong time  to draw swords against the Iranian government. The price for some real patriotic Iranians may be the overthrow of IRI but the consequences will be disastrous with Iran loosing its long fought for independence in modern times along with possible civil war that may leave no nation called Iran for either sides involved. 

Today's best scenario for financially bankrupt hegemonic and the Zio-Fascists is to have Iranians against Iranians at any cost to blow each other apart. You and your ilk are doing a good job to advance that possibility all in the name of freedom and democracy. What a sweet candy! The west has conquered the middle east and its wealth with that garbage for over a century now and some still buy to that. One onlt needs to look at the Persian Fulf countries and beyond to see how almost all of these countries under full control of the US are the worst dictatorships in the world. You wonder why, let me tell you. That is because any democracy in ME would be a political suicide for the USraelis and European union. Egypt and Tunisia are like just hatched chickens, their fates are too early to judge.

It is time for Iranians to have a quick review of their modern history if intelligence is their virtue.

Until then, definitely some naive Iranians will the donkeys for Iran enemies to do what they can't do on their own so long as IRI is at the helm. But that is life, there are naive and blind everywhere. I will invest on those with a few grains of brain to keep Iran awakened.

Likewise, if you are indeed an independent Iranian, I hate to tell you this, but
you have been standing on the side of hegemons, Zio-fascists and other Iran haters.Grow up, see the big picture. Iran is the only jewel of the Middle East and its enemies will go to unlimited heights to achieve their evil goals even if that means Iranian civil war like we have never seen before.

But for someone who shy's away from even a casual condemnation of daily killings by USraelis in all over the ME with the excuse of saving your humanistic feelings only for Iran, I am sorry, you do not fit the right bill and thus you could not be an Iranian you claim to be. Rather you are no different than Fred, Iranfirst, mahmoudg, Mash Ghassem, Rosbeh Gilani, Simourgh5555 and others! You all have a very unusual similarities in the way you operate here.

As for me, I gladly go with the known entity IRI to safe guard Iran and keep my family from the similar bombs that have been dropped on Iraqis, Afghans, Gazans, Lebanese and so on! My conscious is as clear as Zam-Zam water.

;-)

Hirre

The basiji, sepah etc have a lot of support from their own families.

Yes just until they start blowing people up. Killing innocents and there goes the support. I guarantee you.

In the case of Iran

The basiji, sepah etc have a lot of support from their own families. There will not be a clear situationen such as the people vs the insurgents.

I will rephrase

You needs some degree of support from the people. In Afghanistan Taliban do get support from some of the locals plus Pakistan. In Iraq they also get support from the people.

Who knows the real insurgents: the local people. If they are really against the insurgents they will dry up and vanish. Of course not before doing massive damage. Anyway it is all academic discussion. 

Wrong

You don't need the support of the people. It will help a lot if you do, but it is no a requirement (most modern irregular wars don't have the support of the people). In afghanistan the taliban doesn't have the support of the local people and they are still fighting. The same was applied in Iraq, the few insurgence units from saddams regular army and other gathered forces could keep up the war for many years and both wars have cost a lot of money, now imagine Iran who is the center of this kind of warfare methods and has additional proxies in Syria, Libanon, Iraq, etc. These calculations have been made by the west, there is no point in attacking. The math doesn't simply add up given a certain time period.

Another aspect which always occurs during wars is that the civilian people will eventually get tired of the war and stop cooperating with the west. This is also an important factor that I have personally read in different reports...

Hirre

I agree with you to a point. You are absolutely right that USA will win a standard war hands down. The part I do not agree is that Basiji will get much support from people. In order to wage asymmetric warfare you need support from the population.

Most of Iranian population in cities are sick of the Islamic Republic. Partly because the sanctions you mentioned have already worked. But the bigger part is the actions of IR. Who wants their daughter stoned or more likely harassed? Who wants to be beaten because they had a beer. Who wants their son addicted to heroin because they have no hope. People are lining up to get visas to get out. Therefore the weakening of IR has already happened. People are sick of VF and AN. 

Mark my words. Obama in his second term plans to remove IR. Whether we like it or not. Best Iranian Americans may do is to minimize the damage. Make sure Iran remains in tact and gets a real democracy not another IR.

hehe

No worry, these are no secret facts :)

Gee hirre Jan If I were you I'd be careful ;0)

not to reveal too much on my field of expertise ... 

US Pentagon to treat cyber-attacks as 'acts of war' (bbc)

It could cost your Job !

LOL 

Some facts

Since I work for a military defence research agency, I should shed some light on the situation:

Iran is strong when it comes to resistance against a foreign military power. Iran is the most powerful nation in the world in terms of "antisymmetric warfare" (google if you don't know the meaning). The reason the US "wins" all wars is because they control the air space.

Any nation that controls the airspace of another nation can build up force in the region. This becomes very clear when you look at the number of airbourne units each country has. For example, the US has over 5500 air crafts and more than half of those are fighter jets. For comparison China has ~2500 air crafts and half of those are fighter jets (almost the same number for the russians). In Iran's case the number is ~530 and many of those models are old...

Therefore the result will be that the US almost within weaks will crush Iran's regular units. What happens then is that all irregular units (basij, sepah, ansare hesbollah, Quds, etc) will be activated and the war will continue for many many years. This is something the US can't afford and will not afford. The price for victory will be so high (in terms of money, human casualties etc) that in general terms a war with Iran will be concluded as a lost victory for the US (there are lots of objective reports of this from different military defence agencies).

So in terms of "warfare" what can be done? The only thing that can be done is to deploy a tactic where the goal is to weaken the state economically and socially (through e.g. sanctions) so that it would become vulnerable for future revolutions and other forms of interference (attacks). Even bombing Iran's current nuclear facilities is a great risk, since Iran possesses secondary strike in the region.

The coming years are very interesting since it will test how well Iran will manage the sanctioned economy along with ongoing social injustices (we have already seen the spark during 2009)... Many speculate that this will ultimately be the fall of the IR.

Anyone who trusts Reza Khalili

is either totally naive, or has illusions.

Regardless of which side of the line that Shifteh Ansari describes one stands, one should know that  Khalili left Iran 22 years ago, but presents himself as an expert on IRGC, has been lying to his teeth about everything, and has been working with Israel and Mossad. Just check to see what Israelis say about him. But, outside that circle no one takes him seriously. The fact that Fox publishes his piece is just the gravy! These are lies propagated by him and his patrons.

So, IranMilitaryForum, do not get too excited about such things.

Mammad

The credibility of the contributor...

Is only matched by his/her source (i.e Faux news) which in my book amounts to zilch, nothing, nada

And thank you Shifteh Ansari for summing this so well.

Mehrdad

MG

Again you are not reading what I write. I am opposed to foreign interventions. I have said so in many posts. However I suspect strongly that it is being planned. We must be forewarned of it.

Just because I warn of upcoming intervention does not mean I support it. What you are doing is shooting the messenger. However as Iranian Americans some of us could affect the decision made in Washington to prevent it or at least the worst of it.

I wrote in the other thread: if Dr. Mossadegh had been aware of upcoming British reaction thing may be different. He may have remained PM and Iranian history taken a different course. There may have been democracy for the past 60 years.

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VPK jan it's times like this that you get me mildly pissed. If you haven't noticed for the past focking two years, peole all over Iran, in every single opportunity they have had, have pushed the thugs off the streets. The cost is enormouse and some tactics have to be changed. What you and all your foriegn intervention enthusiasts don't comprehend is that this regime will collapse due to a war of attrition, of Iranian people, waged by Iranian people, for Iranian people. These social movements were the ones that overthrow shah, they'll do the same to IR. Focusing  more on the struggles of students, women. workers,...in Iran, rather than foriegn intervention would be a welcome departure, cheers

IranMilitaryForum.net

There was a time when Iranians in diaspora could afford to be apathetic or ambivalent about how they felt about the Islamic Republic of Iran. In June 2009, a line was drawn. Since then, those who were heartsick with the killing of peaceful young Iranians stepped on one side of that line, and those who supported the Islamic Republic of Iran's actions to kill, maim, torture, and persecute Iranians stood on the other side of that line. I stepped on the other side of the line. Even if you are not the Islamic Republic of Iran, or an organization funded by the Islamic Republic of Iran, you are an Iranian who continues to side with a government that has brutalized its own people and is now doing it to other nations in the region, too.

Your joy and glee and flippant remarks about the Islamic Republic's dubious military "achievements" and "advances" do not portray you as a patriotic Iranian. They portray you, unfortunately, either as an idiot or a mercenary. You can call people who distrust and dislike the Islamic Republic of Iran anything you want. Your name calling does not change their nature nor yours. History will not be kind to those who closed their eyes on the gross violations of human rights and Islamic Republic's warmongering, even against its own nation.

If you are indeed an independent Iranian, I hate to tell you this, but you have been standing on the wrong side of the line with other military men, clerics, and rammal o jengirs.

How do you

While I agree the regime will collapse without its thugs. I want to know how you propose we take the thugs off the streets?  Ask them politely! They are not going without a fight and we are in for a lot of it. It is not gonna be a pretty sight.

Specially for the Mollahs after the inevitable collapse. The more they kill now the more of them will get it afterward. Maybe AN knows this and is playing both sides. But then who knows what goes on in his weird mind.

Take the thugs off the streets, this whole regime will collapse

in less than half a day.

Every single concievable index of social life in Iran is at crisis levels. From economy to enviornment, to addiction, prostitution,..: every single day 10 firms declear bankruptcy in Iran, inflation is at a
ten years high, unemployment also on the increase, unpaid wages piling up, all of this on top of
elimination of subsidies. God help residence of Tehran, Isfahan,.. this summer with the smog.

From international diplomacy to internal power struggle, they're walking on broken glasses. And this moron here thinks by posting these mighty mouse 'announcements' he'll be saving the day.

So, in conclusion my very good friend mister Iran Military Phocked, you might as well take your own advice, and: " start packing for the final migration, that is back to where you came from! Hell"

scare tactics

As was evident with them being caught buying 60's helicopters, this regime does not have the know how or the intellignece for building any warhead or missile.  All scare tactics.  The military tacticians in the US know full well the weaknesses (and there are many) fo the IRGC and Pasdars and in due time will use it against them.  When the time comes to wipe these guys off the face of the earth, it will take no more than one week to get the job done. 

Iran Military Phocked, you're the one who's F&%d big time!

Remember shah, he also had all these mighty mouse dreams of military supremecy, and how he got royally  phocked. Prepare yourself:  for the same function is about to be applied to you, in a very near future, by Iranian people. Bet on it, sonny boy. Take it like a man.

ایران میلیتاری فرغون

Islamic Republic has very good Tanoor that can make very good Sangak bread!

I am glad

No matters what happens, IRI will be brought down. Evil cannot prevail. It has never happened before.

I am glad that you Zionists are showing more guts to openly tell IC members that who you really are by getting bolder to expose yourselves. You are definitely not Iranian nor for Iran!!

;-)

If true

The Zio-Fascists are F&%d big time!

My suggestion to the Zionists: start packing for the final migration, that is back to where you came from!

;-)

Dream on

No matters what happens, IRI will be brought down. Evil cannot prevail. It has never happened before.