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The Persian spoken in Iran has undergone a lot of changes. While I love Middle Persian I do not disrespect Farsi. After all much of our poetry is written in Farsi. As other people said Hafez and Sadi used many Arabic words.

I personally prefer to use Persian words when I may. But there is no way to avoid Arabic in our speech. We are not going back to Sassanid days! By the way those days we also used Arabic words and a Semitic script.

What I do not like is when people use "golobmeh solombeh" words. If you say "fekr" or "akhbar" I understand what you are saying. But when people use words that I need a dictionary for then I rather they did not :-)

Also Arabs are not savages and I do not want to label them as such. There are plenty of fine Arabs. In particular I much view Iranians of Arab background as any other Iranian.

There are fine Iranian Arabs many of whom risked their lives in the war. Including the top commander Ali Shamkhani who lost two brothers "Mohammad and Hamid" in defense of their real home: Iran. 

Please see my blog that indicates some of the valuebale things Iranian Arabs have done for their nation: Iran: //iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-kh...

Shalom Simorgh Schlomo

If you were a self-respecting Iranian you would never dare disparage the proud, ancient, Persian language as a "language of Islamic murderers."  Unless, of course, you're NOT an Iranian at all and are instead an ANTI-Iranian Zionist spam-propagandist posing as an Iranian. 

Oh, and I agree with you that we should rid ourselves of Arabic influenced languages.  We can begin with Hebrew, the tazi Arab language you and your fellow Ukrainian Khazarians have adopted in your fake "Israeli" identity.

We're onto you.  Shalom Schlomo!

Marhaba Baron VEVAK

I rather be an Israeli than be compared to a stooge of the Islamic Republic. It is not my fault that there is a serious gap in your education which you simply do not understand. The question is not whether Moden Persian is similar to that of Pahlavi it is still 50 percent Arabic. Similar is not 'same as'  all languages undergo a transformation but I and many Iranians refuse to embrace a corrupt language which has changed because of a hord of mass invaders who imposed a language and religion on us whose prophet was a mass murderer and violator of nine year olds. If you were a self-respecting Iranian you would not be happy to even call your language 'Farsi'. By accpeting your language to be called 'Farsi' it is a capitulation to your evil enemies who imposed their culture on your through coercion and direct force. Perhas you have a speech impediment and you can't pronounce 'P'. thats your fault. 

 The Irish have their own language called Gaelic (or just Irish) and the Scots and Welsh also have their own Celtic language which has remained UNCHANGED and in its original form despite the fact that they have been living under English sovereigny for centuries. I propose the same. Farsi belongs to Tazis and Arab wannabes such as you. If you want to speak Farsi then fine. It suits your inferior Islamic mentality. 

Get that through your thick brain knucklehead or alternatively go to the link which Rostam showed you 

SimorghShalom

You said:

"I admit I do not speak Farsi fluently and I couldn't care less givrn that it is the language of murderous Islamist invaders."

Simorgh5555, Iranian.com comments section, Wed Jul 06, 2011 09:02 AM PDT

The Arab "invaders" spoke modern Persian?  Last I checked, they spoke Arabic, which is a bretheren language to Hebrew (i.e., the language you and your people speak. )  So you're already wrong and proven to be stupid on this count alone.  Second, modern Persian is still remarkably similar to late Pahlavi.  Though Arabic (as well as French, Russian, Turkish, and English) vocabulary has been added to Modern Persian, this has been primarily IN ADDITION TO the Pahlavi/Middle Persian vocabulary, not in place of it.  Besides which, all languages evolve with time.  English itself was altered irrepairably by the Roman and later Norman conquests.  You don't see Americans or Brits calling Shakespeare or modern English the language the murderous invaders, do you?  

human being

We are doing exaxctly what Israel rightly done. New generation of Israelis speak fluentl Hebrew even better than their parents and grandparents who spoke Yiddish or Ladino if they were sephardic Jews. To say Farsi is the language of Iranians is like saying Yiddish which is a corruption of German and Hebrew is the authentic language of Judaism. This is not true. So if Israeli children can also speak Hebrew fluently despite 2,000 years in exile then I believe Iranian children will one day return and speak Pahlavi. Farsi - this corrupt language will be cast aside except for those who love literature and want to study poets like Hafez or Sa'adi. 

Baron VEVAK

Thats strange because Etymology and linguistics is acually one of my specialities. Pahlavi or Middle Persian was spoken for 500 years whilst Arabs spoke their own semetic language which was phonetically and gramatically different. True the Persians invented the Arabic script and contributed much to what is known as 'Islamic Civilisation' which includes poetry and science such as Avicena but nevertheless your training at VEVAK and as a Reolutionary Guard in the Islamic Republic prevents you from understanding the two civilisations are world apart. 

Pahlavi, or Middle Persian was banned in Iran for almost two hundred years and Ferdowsi managed to restore  as much of it as possible but it was stil undeniably corrupted by Arabic syntax, grammar and vocabularly. Your beloved Terrorist Regime has increased the usage of Arabic words. The langauge of Modern Iran and that of Hafez and Sa'adi is unfortunately a corruption of Arabic. Notwithstanding the fact they were literary giants of Farsi it is still undeniably Arabic. The langauge which my parents speak and those of my family is fundamentally Arabic. Farsi is an off-shot of the Arabic language which some brave Iranians are purifying in the same way as Bismarck in Germany purified the German language by removing as much Latin as possible. I stress again, look at the SOAS experts and reputable Iranian linguist expersts who will agree with most of what I am saying. The very name 'Farsi', the F-word instead of Parsi says it all. It is a bastradised language and the sooner Arabic words are replaced with original PARSI words the better. 

Simorgh

"Farsi" as you call it (more correctly, it is Persian or Parsi) is the language of all Iranians, of Hafez, of Ferdowsi, of the Shahnameh, and is nothing short of being the very identity of this nation.  It's no wonder, as an anti-Iranian hate monger subversive, you are attacking even the Persian language. For you to call our treasured Persian language a "language of Islamic murderers" shows just how much of an anti-Iranian nut job you are.   

Since you obviously don't speak much Persian or know anything about linguistics, all languages evolve with time and have influence from neighboring tongues.  Actually, English has altered much more than Persian has over the years.  Middle English from just 600 years ago is incomprensible to Modern English speakers because it has changed so much. In comparison, the Persian of even 1,200 years ago is easily comprensible to a modern Persian speaker.

By the way, I should inform you that the real Persian way of saying hello is not "Salam" but is rather "Dorood."   It's you and your people who say "Shalom" like the Arabs do.

there is no such thing as a pure language

not in natural language.

Rastin jan

Thanks for the link. Nermind Baron Vavak - as his name implies - he is keen on not only the mullahs remaining but he is opposed to the purificatuion of the Persian language.

Modern Persian or Farsi is the bastard son of Arabic and it must be cleansed.  

This has been posted before

but I guess it wont hurt posting it again: //parsidic.blogspot.com/

Now, back to topic.

Baron Vevek

To dige gohe ziadi nakhor!
Why do you think the word for modern Iranian language is Farsi and not Parsi? Because the murderous Islamist savages could not pronounce the letter 'P' in Arabic. Do you even speak Arabic. Any Iranian linguist would tell you that 'Modern Persian' has no relation with Pahlavi or Middle Persian. You can research this on the SOAS Circle of Iranian Studies. Even if you speak basic Arabic you will notice that Farsi is a corruption of Arabic from the word Salam to Khodahafez. Now don't interrjpt grown adults when they are talking.

Persian language = murderous? Islamist? Huh?

Simorgh555 says:  "I admit I do not speak Farsi fluently and I couldn't care less givrn that it is the language of murderous Islamist invaders."

Are you smoking crack, Simorgh?  Do you know that "Farsi" is the Persian term for the Persian language, which is the ancient language of Iran, the pride of the entire nation, and is something that has nothing to do with Islam and in fact predates Islam by several centuries?

Everytime I assume stupidity has certain limits, an anti-Iranian subversive troll like Simorgh proves me wrong. 

Kadaver jan

This is just an Internet website and not real life. As Richard pryor use to say 'Have a coke and a smile and shut the .... up'.
Now chill out and let me know when you are doing to write the review for Separation.

Not when the fellow tells you to Shut Up You Don't

I didn't open the Hostilities ...

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I'm hungry ...

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Kadivar jan

You have no balls. Come on any time you troll.

Ramin I'm too busy to waste my time on your diatribe...

So don't waste your energy Brainstorming  ... 

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs

I haven't even bothered reading your response.

From this day on I have one goal and one goal only on this website and that it to Gun You down with Irrelevant posts from now on because that is what you deserve. 

Not sit down on an ANN TELECTUAL conversation.

I am your declared Enemy on this website.

Q Q BANG BANG ! 

Kadaver jan

You are so sexy when you get angry. Unfortuntaly, you have no testosterone to speak of so all that comes from you is nothing but hot air. You really do take your self too seriously and this whole emotional diatribe together with your penchant for copying and pasting heart shape jelly babies on the picture of Princess Yasmin shows you have an empty life. Furthermore, your pathetic attempt at justifying the removal of Reza Shah in the prime of his great reign and drive towqrds modernising our Great country by calling it 'necessary' is ample evidence of your Eurocentric obsession and that you have been culturally brainwashed. You make it sound like the Russians, Britain, the USA did us a favour by allowing Mohammed Reza Pahlavi to ascend the throne as if they had the right to determine the destination of our country. I need no history lesson from you to know that Reza Pahlavi was not a Nazi but perhaps you should preach to your European intelligist who still revile Reza Shah and his son for being Nazis and dictators. You are do culturally brainwashed that you cannot bring yourself to accept the betrayal of 'The cheese eating surrender monkeys' French who gave refuge and a power base to Khomeini to sabotage and destroy Iran's prosperity for generations to come. After all the Shah did to patronise their art and civilisation the French transported the wretched mullah to Iran on an Air France passenger plane which lead to the notorious images of the French airline captain escorting Khomeini down the Aircraft passenger steps on Iranian soil. Do you think you impress me by throwing French expressions into your posts? They are as pathetic as your You Tube links. To think that the late Shah spoiled the Persepolis celebrations by offering crap like foie gras and serving drinks.in French crystal glasses is doubly tragic. Get it through your knuckle head brain you are behaving like an 'Uncle Tom'.
There id mo such thing as the Aryan race but there is an Iranian people and I celebrate the diversity of Iranian people as evident on the walls of Persepolis. Kurdd, Iranian Arabs, Azari, Baluch and Lors are all my brothers
and not your Eurotrash.
I admit I do not speak Farsi fluently and I couldn't care less givrn that it is the language of murderous Islamist invaders.
By the way I know you are desperately trying to score browny points with JJ so that he can terminate my account so please unpucker your lips and grow up. I have no objection to you wanting to watch crap like Satrapi's comic books but you are positively promoting her work. Given lies such as the Shah having burnt Cinema Rex in her book why would any self-respecting Iranian want to keep publicising her work?
It seems that I have touched upon a nerve and I am glad. I let you start the next round 2 anytime but you are cruising for a brusing my friend. I will wipe the floor with you anytime and no amount of cheesey YouTube videos can save you. Alternatively, you can admit you are wrong and apologise to me like a good boy. The choice is down to you.

Simorgh5555 Don't Call me 'Jan' We Ain't Friends ...

As a Matter of Fact you are on my Cyber Hit list From Now On :

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuI0gFUq3HY&feature=related

Not only will I Joust you at every opportunity I deem available but look forward to adding your Sticker as a Trophy on my Spitfire Cyber victory credits along with those of Sargord Peerooz and other anonymous losers who have infected this website with their intolerant and abusive behavior over the years and have joined the dustbins of Anonymity where they belonged in the first place.

That shouldn't trouble You after all you make excellent Bed Fellows !

As for you other ignorant comments let me remind you that neither Reza Shah nor his Son were Fascists and did not share the ideological arguments of the Nazis or Italian Fascists but quite the contrary given the deep and old roots linking the Persian Empire and the Jews.

PahlaviCommemorative Medal Honoring the Jewish Community in Iran

All the more that Jews took part in the Constitutional Movement in Iran:

Iranian Jews celebrate constitutional Revolution early 20th century

And even far back with a Persian Queen who was Jewish:

//www.payvand.com/news/07/mar/1199.html

The Pahlavis just happened to be on the wrong side of history at that juncture (like many other Balkan Countries in Central Europe which had to choose to resist or remain neutral towards Nazi Germany) during those dreadful years like many other nations caught in between a Conflict unique in it's magnitude and power of destruction as no other in the history of mankind ... Not even that of WWI. Since it even led to a military race which no ordinary nation let alone an fairly economically undeveloped and militarily powerless country like Iran at the time could have handled alone at the time and which ultimately made us enter what became know as the Nuclear Age.

Despite the unfortunate and illegal yet necessary occupation of our country given the circumstances ( A World War and Existential Fight of Humanity against one of the most evil ideologies and War Machines unique in the history of mankind) It did not stop the Allies to fully acknowledge Reza Shah's Son and Iranians at large for their sacrifices and efforts in joining the Fight against the Axis: Nazi Germany, Italy and Japan:

Iranian Troops Parade at the Victory March in London with other allied Troops: 

Iran in London WW II parade

Iran in London WW II parade (2)

Instead of being humiliated as the leaders of the above countries who were rightly brought to Trial for crimes against Humanity at Nuremberg.

A Crime which the current Islamist regime in Iran tries to minimize and present as inexistent :

HOLOCAUST A MYTH: Michelle Renouf on Iranian SAHAR TV

in a revisionist attempt already condemned by genuine patriotic Iranians :

Iranian Diaspora Intelligentsia Unite Against Islamic Republic's Holocaust Revisionism by Darius KADIVAR

Including people who are not monarchists like me: 

Iran, Jews and the Holocaust The beneficent legacy of Persia remembered by Abbas Milani (San Francisco Gate)

The IRI today even demands compensations for War Reparations:

Ahmadinejad Demands Compensation for WWII Invasion

when in fact the presence of the allies in Iran benefited the population at large including medical care and roads and other facilities which were built not just by altruism but necessity and in effect the way the Allies treated our compatriots was fairly decent and definitively not the type of humiliating treatment  the Nazis or Japanese displayed to deathly proportions in all the countries they occupied ( as in German occupation of France, Poland or Tchekoslovakia or the way Japanese troops occupied Burma, Mongolia or other areas in the Pacific and South East Asia) establishing Concentration camps and death camps and deporting populations to be used as work force:

pictory: Allied Troops Bring Medical Aid to Iranian Children during WW 2 (1940's)

pictory: Twelve O'Clock High on Lalehzar Street (1943)

pictory: Iran during WW2 From French Military Film Archives (1944)

pictory: "Poles Flee To Persia", WWII News Reel (1943)

Iranian casualties during WWII amounted at worst to 200 victims due to the honorable yet vain resistance of the Iranian army just to put up a brave face for the sake of honor. Iranians suffered shortcomings and even short period of famine notably in Tehran due to shortages but that was not a deliberate attempt by the Allies or even the Soviets but at best due to shortages and unpredictabilities in times of conflict. 

All that in a conflict that cost humanity more than 70 Million deaths. 

So Go do your Homework Kid before spewing nonsense on a daily basis.

Unlike you I don't attack individuals on this site for who they are or what they like or how they like to dress or what kind of music they choose to listen to or what religion they believe in or the color of their skin. Certainly not when they do it with their full identity and are accountable for what they support and do it out in the open.

Q is the only person with a Full Identity against whom I used an abusive language so to speak which was not even an insult but at best a childish mockery ( MON Q ) which no one in the same situation with a minimum of humor, openmind and less of an inferiority complex would have taken personally. And that only after regular and Repetitious abusive attempts by Q to corner me not on my beliefs but because he could not stand to see me express myself on any matter what so ever very much like most of his Far More ANONYMOUS likeminds like Capt_Ahyab, hajmanitor and dozens of other similar blokes expressing themselves under an ANONYMOUS ID and Cowardly Stance.

Yet that was the only exception because he made innuendo attacks on me questioning my honor, intellectual integrity in addition to virtually calling me a traitor. However unfairly I was treated by being banned on this website for two weeks ( where as he continued to come back and behave again in a similar abusive manner as if it were not enough which amounted to nothing short but harrassment)  I think I learned the lesson as to moderate my reactions based on the not so clear and often fluctuating editorial policies on this website which seems to protect some but leaves others like me subject to personal attacks and regular insults despite contributing to this website in my humble yet prolific capacity. 

As for Jomhurykhahy it is an Ideology and Jomhurykhahs, very much like Monarchists are a political entity Not an Individuality. One is free to feel targeted if that entity is attacked or criticized or shrug it off by claiming that that definition does not apply to them. It is nothing personal because I don't boil down a personality to his or her's political stance. But One has every right to criticize them as they have the right to criticize me or my political mindset or that of any other ideology present in the political sphere be it here in the Diaspora or back home.  And my difference with someone's political stance don't stop me from seeing their films or reading their art work on grounds of a witch Hunt as you do when it comes to Satrapi or the Rostam Comic Books.

If it weren't for former Islamists like JJ you or I wouldn't even have had the opportunity to express ourselves so freely on this website. If you are unhappy with this website go and create one yourself. Who are you to lecture others on how they should contribute to this website or express themselves on any issue of their choice , or what the color of their underpants should be ?

So before lecturing others on "IRANIANNESS" and "PATRIOTISM" look at yourself and what you have done to deserve the respect you deny to others.

There is nothing dishonorable in struggling against a given group or mindset using all available tools such as satire, mockery or even creative language as long as you don't seek to personally hurt someone or call for their deaths or executions or bombing them to smitherins as you suggest on a regular basis and not just towards Islamists. 

Because ultimately there are Universal values and ethics that one either shares or doesn't regardless of where they stand ideologically or politically and which define an individual either as a human being or merely a Hooligan.

Your Behavior on this website so far clearly categorizes you in the latter category. 

If I attack a public persona (or institution or idealogy) particularly if that person is trying to shape or orient public opinion in a way which is at odds with what I stand for be it politically or ethically that is my right as it is my right to defend that public persona if I feel they are being unfairly attacked. 

Unlike you I have done so including towards people I don't share their views including their Leaders:

DEVIL's ADVOCATE: Mir-Hossein Mousavi 'involved in massacre', says report

as I do equally when it comes to defending our Royal Family when they are attacked or slandered particularly if these abusive language is being used on my own blog, I don't see why I should apologize responding to provocative behaviors by you or others even flagging you (which I rarely do ) when I deem the comments are distracting attention or ruining the creative display on cultural issues in which I put my heart, time and efforts to inform people or merely inform my own like minds.

I don't stop others from doing the same or blogging on the issues of their choice or news items of interest to them. You on the otherhand go around as if you were the only one on this site or even owned this place and expect respect in return ?

Well Screw You ! 

You are a Fascist in everything that word implies. It has nothing even to do with Hilter or Mussolini it has to do with a pattern of thought that can take any shape or color in the name of patriotic virtues or god knows what other pretext but which ultimately offers nothing more, nothing less than the same recipe for intolerance and blind injustice which is no better than what we have with this current regime.

As such you are the Exact Mirror image of the likes of Q, Sargord, mammad and the rest of the Miserable Lot you claim to fight against. 

Folks like you are to the Monarchy what France's Far Right Party of Le Pen is to the French Republic a bunch of ignorant, xenophobic and overall uneducated lot who have nothing to offer but their ignorance and intolerance mainly because they cannot handle a discourse but need an object of hatred to hide their own insecurities.

Not Only I will fight you and your likeminds today and at every opportunity I see fit but will do so also in a Post IRI Iran. Because Folks like you are like Bad Herbs that grow every now and then but like Hooligans need to be marginalized if not politically neutralized be it for the sake of civil peace.

I am as proud of my Iranian Roots as much as I am of my cosmopolitan ones including French in the same way the person who created this website is Cosmopolitan himself with Irish Roots and a DNA history which makes him far from a Perfect ARYAN in YOUR Book.  

Actually you shouldn't even be writing in english here given your "Purist" approach to nearly everything you deem as being superiorly Iranian. 

So if you have inquiries about news or Blogs being published here or chosen by the Webmaster to be displayed on the front page send your complaints to him or the administrator of this website which is as Iranian as Trita Parsi is Swedish but don't think that entitles you anymore than anyone else on this website to lecture people on what they should blog or as you put it to tell people to "SHUT UP" !

So Go and apply what you preach ( i.e: "SHUT UP" ) to yourself or go and learn how to express yourself correctly in a different language. 

And Lastly don't call me Jan ...

For not only We are Not Family let alone friends But If the word "Humanism" and "Tolerance" have a genuine meaning then We are Diametrically at Opposite Ends on everything that matters to me as a human being let alone an Iranian.

Either way Cyber Hooligans like you don't intimidate me !

Tu N'auras Pas Ma Liberté de Penser !

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Sieg Heil sauerkraut !

DK 

Kadivar jan

I think I would make a great minister of culture. The problem is, is that I am mostly right. Just think of yourselves as the patient and me as the Doctor. I believe autocracy can be justified to a certain extent such as under Reza Shah and to a certain extent Mohammed Reza Pahlavi given the cold war. But its funny you should call me a fascist, or a Nazi, Darius, because that is exactly what your European trash friends labeled Reza Shah before deposing him unjustly. But you can't bring yourself to call Reza Shah a fascist because it would be anethema to you and you can't condemn the Eurotrash media and your much loved Satrapi because you are too in love with your art. Yet you condemn me, your compatriot.
Finallly, you are no better than me when you let it rip against the 'Jomhurikhahans' and I've seen your sarcasm and even mild insults against Iranian reublicans.
Finally, I am afraid you are mistaken about the name 'Ramin'. Its a beautiful name but I have not used that name on this site or anyother avatar other than Simorgh. Scouts honour.
To be honest I actually do enjoy reading some of.your blogs even those which I disagree with. However, I do find your obsession with cheesy pop culture too nauseating. By the way, I look forward to.your review of A Separation if you ever get round to it. Let me know please.

Simorgh5555 You don't need to slander people for their opinion

Your Recurrent Cheap Shots at people for merely disagreeing with you is as intolerant as the Hezbollahis you claim to fight so Bravely whilst hiding your own identity behind an anonymous Avatar.

You are No Example to anyone but the same Fascist minded intolerant people you are emulating thinking you are entitled to control everyone's mind and tastes.

With a different underwear along With your likemind Sargord Peerooz  You would be perfect as minister of culture and information in some Totalitarian State or head of a new founded Hitler's Youth. 

Apart from hating people and immature finger pointing under the hypocritical disguise of patriotism you are nothing but a an amateur Burper ...

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Take Care  Simorgh555 Or should I call you Ramin ?

Or it is "Rambaud Parsa", or "Sassan," or "Nousha Arzu," then "Ramin Parsa," and now "Free" ?

But I guess ultimately I will call you for what you are ...

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Jewish ipinion matters to

Jewish opnion matters to you, Pendar. Imagine your therapist, Amy Winehouse and all those other Jews you hold in high esteem could be rabid Zionists and give money to Israel. Your heart is broken. What betrayal! Don't they care about Palestinians?