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Boos Boos 2

Almost all countries, even those which seem at odds with one another, such as Israel and Iran have strategic interests. It was Israel which supplied Iran with weapons which prevented the course of the first Persian Gulf war falling into Iraq's favour and the destruction of Saddam's nuclear plant in 1982. If we overlook Palestine there is actually very little that divides the Jewish state and Iran. We share a common history which spans as far back as the Achaemenid period; we are oth beseiged by hostile Islamic Arab countries. Was it not Pan Arabist Nassir who wanted to liberate Jerusalem and also 'take back' Khuzestan?
You over-estimate the threat of pan-Turkism and paint a rosey picture of Russian-Iran relations. For a start Tuekey and the IR have excellent relations and Turkish and IR thugs have routinely carried out military and strategic operations to oust and destroy Kurdish separatists who pose by far the most violent existential threat to Iran and not the Azati Turks who comprise more than 50% of the Iranian population.
Furthrrmore, Russia and Iran are not equal trading partners. Russia is exploiting Iran and making them enter into bilateral agreements whose terms are mostly favourable to the former. This is evident in the sheer junk being purchased by Iran. With all the Topolov airplanes supplied by Russia which has killed hundreds of civilians why is it that the IR regime has never taken any legal action against Russia.
You also do not mention Russian dominance of the Caspian with the IR handing over entire shipping rights. You do nit mention its violeny and aggressive behaviour towards Chechnya, Georgia and Afghanistan in recent years. If the Russians were not stiffled in Afghanistan do you believe that it would not move on to Iran next.
You do not mention how the soveits Rusdians invaded and set up break away republics in Gilan and Azarbaijan in the twentieth century.
And you expect me to give a fluing hoot about the threat of Pan Turkism to Russia from neighbouring Azarbaijan? I say good. They created it by annexing Iranian land and not Israel.
So when the evil dead Khomeini was sitting in his crap hole in Qom in 1979 deciding which country to pick a fight with why did he not chose Russia? Why did he comtinue to have diplomatic relations with a country which invaded and destroyed MUSLIM Afghanistan?
ISRAEL HAS DONE NITHING TO ME AS AN IRANIAN. WHY SHOULD I PICK A FIGHT WITH HER?
Har chi bala tu cheshme Rusiye.

Boos Boos

You are absolutely right that there is mire than one dimension to this argument. Even if there are right wing Israeli think tanks and money supporting the Separatist groups you resist to find out why? Did Israel develop a blood lust against Iranians over night. Surely, the reason is not related to the millions of dollars and material support to Fatah, PLO and Hamas the IR has been giving to Israel's enemies. Not to mention the vulgar displays of denouncing the very existence of Israel and disparaging the collective suffering of Jews in the Holocaust and drawing competions insulting Anne Frank. I am nit justifying Israel's support of separatists but the animosity stems from the fact that Iran has picked a fight with a nuclear armed country in a conflict which has nothing to do with Iranians. Also the main benefactor of Iranians help are always signing charters demanding the Persian Gulf as well as its strategic islands should fall under Arab sovreignty. You also conveniently leave out that despite the mass propaganda orchestrated against each other, as well as the proxy wars being fought by Hamas and Lebanese Hezbollah both countries enjoy extensive trade with one another through European, Turkish and Jordanian intermediaries.
Did.you see Israel ever supporting separatists during the time of the Shah when there was a truce between Iran and her?
Please be more sincere in your discussiins.

VPK - I'm going to disagree here

" by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Thu Aug 25, 2011 02:55 PM PDT Israel never took one inch of Iran. Russia took about half of our nation. "

  What you write is true - but it's not the present situation today.  All of the separatists groups being sponsored against the territorial integrity of Iran are being funded, trained, and organized by Israel.  That includes PJAK, PMOI, Jundallah, the Arab Separatists, the PanTurkists, and even heads of industry that are exerting pressure to rename the Persian Gulf (e.g. Google).   And Iran would have reclaimed it's Northern province ('Aran') (now called The Republic of Azerbaijan) if it wasn't for the U.S. and Israel propping-up the dictatorship in The Republic of Azerbaijan.    The Russia of the past that took Iranian land is not the Russia of today.  The U.S. has expanded into the caucuses with Turkey; and Russia doesn't want NATO there on its doorstep.  It views Turkey, the U.S. and The Republic of Azerbaijan as a threat.  Russia fears panturkism and separatism (it already suffered a major loss of territory post-USSR). Accordingly, Russia is aligned with Iran and Armenia.     I respect your views: But there's a lot more to this dynamic than the preceding comments indicate.  My suggestion is to use what I've typed as an index: and to run some searches and do some research on the subject.  

VPK

Good reply. I'm not necessarily saying that my hatred of the IR means that Palestinians should be screwed over and I genuinely hope for a genuine negotiated peace process but our interest and even that of Palestinians or Israelis cannot be served by our intervention.
Today, I looked at a political map of Iran in the nineteenth century and my heart broke when I saw the land annexed by Russia in 1873. Parts of Georgia and what is now Azarbaijan were huge territories lost to Russia.

Simorgh

I agree completely. Israel never took one inch of Iran. Russia took about half of our nation. I have said forever that Iran and Israel must join forces. *** Russia and all the others.

Let Judea and Samaria go to Israel! Let Iranians recover their I mean our territory back. It is good for us all. The main thing is to find leaders with enough brains to figure this thing out. 

Iran has been screwed by

Iran has been screwed by Russia from territory, exploitative treaties, dodgy passenger planes to shoddy misiles. Thanks to the Islamic Republic Iran has become designated as Russia's favorite whore. Let us see if the IR take up arms against our favorite exploiter in the same way it targets Israel over Palestinian rights.