Thursday
August 9, 2001
* Understanding its context
Bravo to Mr. Shamolki for his capacity to understand Islamic law without
vilifying it. ["Virtually
impossible"]
The concept of stoning in Islamic law is one of the most misunderstood
concepts. While this kind of punishment has no place in a society governed
by a modern legal system, and while it appalls us because on the surface
it hints at our lowest instincts, nonetheless stoning is there, in the books,
for a reason, and understanding its context is key to gain some perspective
about Islam.
Stoning is an example of extreme punishment, one that almost never can
be carried out. It demonstrates the extreme emphasis Islam places on the
concept of family and how it views adultery as an extreme anti-thesis to
the continuation of family.
Stoning is ultimately enforceable under two conditions, first if there
is a moral and just society (which is very difficult to define or achieve)
and then, and only then, stoning is warranted if "the offender is reckless
enough to commit the act openly as to be seen by four eyewitnesses.
Both conditions, a moral, just society and obtaining four eyewitnesses
for proof are so improbable that any rational and just judge would shy away
from applying this extreme punishment as Mr. Shamoli has eloquently showed.
Stoning is more or less an ornament piece in Islamic law since it cannot
be carried out unless there exists a convergence of highly improbable factors.
The fact that a state, namely the Islamic Republic, chooses to apply
stoning reveals more about the state and Iranian culture than about religion
itself. What we often do, and no one can blame us, is equating Islam with
the Islamic Republic.
Let's face it, it is hard to swallow that 2,500 or 3,000 years of culture
and history culminates in throwing stones at the face and head of a woman
who is bruied neck deep, but our countrymen, the sons of Iranian mothers
and fathers do that, and they do it because of their family upbringings,
and their political culture and their socialization, not based on their
vigilant following of Islam. Islam in this case is more or less a stamp
to justify individual and state-sanctioned cruelty, nothing more.
For a discussion of stoning see
here.
Ramin Tabib
* Mere inclusion
This letter is in response to Shahmolki's article on stoning ["Virtually
impossible"].
Shahmolki tries to show the difficulties, virtually the impossibility,
of convicting someone to stoning within an Islamic jurdicial system. The
need for the testimony of four just witnesses and the willing confession
of the accused, etc, were examples Shahmolki cited to prove presumably that
the Islamic legislator has intended for stoning to function merely as a
deterrent to potential adulturers not as an practical instrument of punishment.
There are more examples that Shahmolki failed to mention in the regulation
of stoning that can show the difficulty in carrying out the punishment,
such as the size of the stones, which have to be neither too big nor too
small and the participation of the witnesses themselves in the act. Shahmolki's
arguments are by no means new to the more progressive elements of Islamic
thinking who are embarassed by the concept but can't bring themselves to
condemn it. Here are a few points in response.
1. If it's true as some Islamic sources describe, that four people were
stoned during Prophet Mohammad's tenure, Shahmolki's argument falls apart.
Prophet Mohammad's system of governance, the undisputed parts of it, sets
an accurate source of reference for those who base law on precedence.
If four people can be convicted of adultry despite all the difficulties
cited, in a 13-year period, in a geographically limited jurisdcition like
Madina, among a small population, then it must only be easier nowadays to
prove an adulterer's guilt considering expansions in all the three areas
mentioned. To accept Shahmolki's arguments, one has to dismiss those sources
who say the prophet himself carried four act of stoning.
2. Let's suppose the punishment of stoning was not carried out by the
prophet or his legitimate successors. If the intention of the legislator
was to deter, then why did he come up with stoning as a punishment? I can
think of much harsher punishments, to function as a deterrent, and much
more difficult requirements to prove that the accused is guilty.
One can say, "five just, persons must have witnessed an act of adultery
for at least 10 minutes (no just and honest Muslim would want to witness
a scene of adultry for that long) and have made an effort to stop it and
testify 20 times to what they saw and be willing to actively take part in
the punishment that should involve no less than 4000 spectators and include
dragging the culprit with a golden chain by 12 pure-bred Arabian horses
non- stop across a five kilometer strip of land and shallow water."
I am sure codifying this kind of punishment serves the purposes of both
deterence and of making the punishment more difficult to implement.
3. Let's give the legislator the benefit of the doubt and again suppose
that he genuinely was trying to make stoning a difficult if not impossible
punsihment to condemn one to. If this was really his aim then its worth
considering why he would have such an aim. One can only assume that the
legislator had some sense of believing that stoning is a harsh, unusual
and cruel punishment and hence wanted to make it impossible to carry out.
If he had such a concept of morality to think that way, then his moral system
of thought would also make him consider that the mere inclusion of stoning
in the Sharia, albeit only on paper, itself demonstrates a disregard for
human rights.
The legislator had no problem with stoning because the act of stoning
did not violate his sense of morality. He could have condemned an adulter
to witness his own wife sleeping with another man (say a blind man) but
setting such a punishment for an adulterer would not fit into the legislator's
own moral system, so he came up with stoning.
These points were meant to refute once and for all arguments that maintain
that the regulation of stoning has been designed to render it in a state
of defacto abolition.
Mehdi Ardalan
* Not in Quran
Dear Shahmolki: ["Virtually
impossible"]
I am very happy that someone has brought this issue into the open. It
is intersting to note that all the exhaustive arguments for and against
stoning will not be nessasery if interested people (if any) would realize
that such code of punishement is not referred to or even condoned in the
same book (Quran) that these people are basing thier jurisprodence from.
There is no refernce of stoning to death for any sex crimes anywhere
in the Quran. Islam like many other religions has deterioded into secterain
factions with thier own man-made laws that has no resemblance to the books
of God. If these monsters will ever have to justify this act of cruelty,
they will not be able to blame God or his book for it. Only their ignorance
and stupidity can be any justification of this crime against humanity.
Saeed T.
* Applying logic to illogical hotchpotch ideas
Would it not make more sense to channel our energy and cool application
of logic to the fundamental flaws of Islam rather than applying logic to
an illogical hotchpotch of Arab pagan ideas (Haj), Jewish customs (stoning)
and whatever the prophet made up as he went along (evidenced by contradictory
verses in the Quran)? ["Virtually
impossible"]
It is a historical fact that stoning was derived from Jewish law along
with other rules such as food prohibitions, circumcision and many other
practices. In any event didn't the Jesus, some 622 years before the Mohammad,
very logically address the problem without the need to apply legalese logic
to Sharia (made up by the clergy as they go along) or whatever the Jewish
equivalent was called, by saying let those who have not sinned cast the
first stone (or words to that effect)? Thus he made it impossible to carry
out this hideous form of punishment. The above is not in support of Christianity.
Any one with a grain of logic would not take up any religion in this day
and age.
Let's be honest about Islam. Let's also not lose sight of who we really
are. We (the recent generations of Iranians) let 1,400 years of struggle
to rid ourselves of Tazi religion, language and influence, suffer a crippling
setback by rallying around a power-hungry religious figure to rid ourselves
of the Shah. As the English saying goes, we jumped out of the frying pan
into the fire, or as the Persian one goes, we jumped out of a hole into
the abyss (az chaaleh be chaah oftadeem).
Amir B.
* Why generalize?
Dear Khaanoom Tannaz Ebadollahi,
I just read your story "Mary".
Thank you for your depth of vision and gentleness of your spirit. What I
see in "Khan" and his behavior is a culturally-confused, broken,
and emotionally disturbed immigrant "human being" from Iran (in
the confusing initial stages of the migration process) who just happens
to be male, and is perhaps struggling to find himself as a "man"
human being on top of all these other stressors. I could have just as easily
seen a woman in his situation who is also confused and abusive. Could you
possibly try to see him in this light?
Why do you "genderize" something that is a human condition?
Afterall, you demonstrated quite amply such sensibility (i.e., discernment
of that which belongs to the human realm condition) in your recent poem
about "black hair" in response ["Beh
jorme aan mooye siaah"] to Sadaf ["Moohaaye
siaahe man"].
Why do you genderize something that afflicts humans and its only difference
is that it takes a different external form within femininity and masculinity?
Why?
Thanks again for your depth of vision and the gentleness of your heart,
which is again a human characteristic and takes a different appearance in
male or female bodies and spirits.
Blessings,
Moji Agha
* I'm looking too
I was truly touched by your story ["Am
I homeless?"]. I really don't think there is an Iranian out of
Iran that hasn't had the same thoughts as yourself. I myself have been out
of Iran for 16 years. Upon reading your story, I cried. I put myself in
your shoes, and tried to imagine the feeling I would have when I go back
to Iran after all these years. I've tried to imagine the scenes, the smell,
the tastes, the euphoric feeling ill have when I see Tochal", my old
neighborhood, cousins I played with, and the love that I have missed out
on all these years.
I'm scared though. Scared that I won't be able to handle the truth about
some of my loved ones no longer being there. My grandmother. How can I go
to Tehran, and know that she is no longer there? How can I visit my relatives,
and know that I can no longer visit my aunt (ameh), as she too passed away
a few years ago. I live with my memories. Memories that will stay with me
forever. Maybe im just scared that if go back to Iran, new memories, will
replace the old ones.
I feel sorry for all the young Iranians in Iran, and the problems they
have to deal with every day. Not being able to do many things that we here
in the West take for granted. You're right. Living in the west has given
us freedom. We cannot be compared to our relatives or friends in Iran in
anyway, but at least they have a place to call home. I too, am looking for
a place to call home.
Sharareh Shirazi
* Opens the forbidden gates
Once Yari Ostovany wrote for Iranian.com and his sentences has a lot
in common with Sheema Kalbasi's message in "Salam
Makhroobeh". Yari wrote: "... a grim reminder of how little,
as a species, we have progressed since our kind left the caves". In
my opinion "Salam
Makhroobeh" opens the forbidden gates to an important issue.
This story shows a cruel and blind nation when it comes to killing, an
uncivil, undemocratic society in chaos. In my humble opinion Kalbasi's writings
are a true existence of honesty and knowledge. I have never seen anyone
as truthful with herself and her talent. Delightful and irresistible.
Please keep up the good work.
Faramatz Farahani
* A pearl
I am not particularly foud of Iranian women or writers but when one
comes along and writes the way Sheema
Kalbasi does, I cannot hold myself from saying the truth.
These days in the crappy world of Iranian poetry and story telling, where
everyone is called a writer or poet, finding such a pearl as talented, and
fresh as Sheema Kalbasi, is pretty difficult. She is an excellent and bright
writer and is very very expressive in her style. She puts herself at her
character's place and feels their pain, fears and happiness before she lets
her self release a sentence, or so it appears to me. Everything flows and
becomes easy in her writings.
No one could have described this madness of stoning ["Salam
Makhroobeh"] in a better way! Her other story, "Tak
savaare jaadeye abreesham", was unlike anything I had read in my
entire life and I have been a scholar in Persian literature for many years
now.
Dear Sheema Kalbasi, you've brightened our world of literature and the
hearts of our people with your amazing talent and beauty. You are baanuye
sher va ghesshye Farsi.
Wishing you a successful writing career!
Dr. Babak Tayebi
* From Uzbekistan
Dear Leila [Forouhar],
We are four sisters from Uzbekistan. We all admire you. We alwyas listen
to your songs. We have so many disks of your's. You are a very beautiful
and talented woman. Our best wishes to you.
We dream that we'll ever get a chance to be at your concert in the U.S.
We are also Iranians from Tabriz. We are very proud of you.
Best regards,
Madina, Nazila, Dilara, Elnara, (Our daughters
Nadira and Yasmeen)
* Farhang & Shamira
I am looking for a friend called Farhang whose sister was called Shamira.
They had another brother who I think was called Amir. They were living in
Colchester, UK, with their mother in Late 1970 's, early 1980's.
If anybody knows of them please contact me.
Regards,
Hossein Farhang
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